How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

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How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real fasts,
water only, as long as 15 days). I never have been tested
during my fasts, but I routinely test "abnormally low" for
the cholesterol figures you asked about, well outside the
normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2 glasses
of red wine with dinner, and take a daily garlic supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me), but
I could be the poster child for how to keep your cholesterol
numbers low....

In your opinion would it be advisable and permissable to
consume some basic nutrients such as protein shakes and such
during a "fast" so that muscle protein is catabolized less?

-Chad

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real fasts,
water only, as

long

Quoted message said:

as 15 days). I never have been tested during my fasts, but
I routinely

test

Quoted message said:

"abnormally low" for the cholesterol figures you asked
about, well outside

the

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normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2 glasses
of red wine with dinner, and take

a

Quoted message said:

daily garlic supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be

the

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poster child for how to keep your cholesterol
numbers low....

liaM said:

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Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

liaM

Ime, those who are losing weight on the 2PD approach
(burning fat and not glycogen) have a fall in total
cholesterol (lowered LDL and triglycerides and mildly
increased HDL).

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liaM said:

i.e.

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

liaM

If you seek out the relationship between ketogenic diets and
lipid profiles, you must clearly understand the fat and
protein sources in the study.

jcem.endojournals.orgexternal refOpen ↗
070924&link_type=MED_NBRS tinyurl.com3eorpOpen ↗

Differential metabolic effects of saturated versus
polyunsaturated fats in ketogenic diets.

Fuehrlein BS, Rutenberg MS, Silver JN, Warren MW, Theriaque
DW, Duncan GE, Stacpoole PW, Brantly ML.

Department of Medicine, College of Medicine, University of
Florida, Gainesville, Florida 32610, USA.

Ketogenic diets (KDs) are used for treatment of refractory
epilepsy and metabolic disorders. The classic saturated
fatty acid-enriched (SAT) KD has a fat:carbohydrate plus
protein ratio of 4:1, in which the predominant fats are
saturated. We hypothesized that a polyunsaturated fat-
enriched (POLY) KD would induce a similar degree of ketosis
with less detrimental effects on carbohydrate and lipid
metabolism. Twenty healthy adults were randomized to two
different weight-maintaining KDs for 5 d. Diets were 70%
fat, 15% carbohydrate, and 15% protein. The fat contents
were 60 or 15% saturated, 15 or 60% polyunsaturated, and 25%
monounsaturated for SAT and POLY, respectively. Changes in
serum beta-hydroxybutyrate, insulin sensitivity
(S(I)), and lipid profiles were measured. Mean circulating
beta-hydroxybutyrate levels increased 8.4 mg/dl in the
POLY group (P = .0004), compared with 3.1 mg/dl in the
SAT group (P = 0.07). S(I) increased significantly in
the POLY group (P = 0.02), whereas total and low-
density lipoprotein cholesterol increased significantly
in the SAT group (both P = .002). These data
demonstrate that a short-term POLY KD induces a greater
level of ketosis and improves S(I), without adversely
affecting total and low-density lipoprotein
cholesterol, compared with a traditional SAT KD. Thus,
a POLY KD may be superior to a classical SAT KD for
chronic administration.

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i.e.

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

liaM

Liam for what it's worth, my physician cautioned me not to
fast saying it would raise cholesterol.

Zee

TopCounsel said:

Quoted message said:

How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real fasts,
water only, as long as 15 days). I never have been tested
during my fasts, but I routinely test "abnormally low" for
the cholesterol figures you asked about, well outside the
normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2 glasses
of red wine with dinner, and take a daily garlic
supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be the poster child for how to keep your
cholesterol numbers low....

Matti (aka Gollum) would have us believe that your brain is
not working as a consequence.

Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

Andrew

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TopCounsel said:

Quoted message said:

How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real fasts,
water only, as long as 15 days). I never have been tested
during my fasts, but I routinely test "abnormally low" for
the cholesterol figures you asked about, well outside the
normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2 glasses
of red wine with dinner, and take a daily garlic
supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be the poster child for how to keep your
cholesterol numbers low....

I'll gladly nominate you to appear on a poster, but to clear
the bored certified board, I shall have to have answers for
the following questions :

do you suffer from any kind of arterial problem ? what's
your diet like ?

liaM
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Chad C. said:

In your opinion would it be advisable and permissable
to consume some basic nutrients such as protein shakes
and such during a "fast" so that muscle protein is
catabolized less?

The latter would be a reason not to fast.

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Andrew

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Chad C. said:

In your opinion would it be advisable and permissable
to consume some basic nutrients such as protein shakes
and such during a "fast" so that muscle protein is
catabolized less?

-Chad

Well, if you are after zero cholesterol and high, complete
protein, don't forget the unassuming soybean.

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

TopCounsel said:

Quoted message said:

How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when the
body switches over to burning its own fat for energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real fasts,
water only, as long as 15 days). I never have been tested
during my fasts, but I routinely test "abnormally low" for
the cholesterol figures you asked about, well outside the
normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2 glasses
of red wine with dinner, and take a daily garlic
supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be the poster child for how to keep your
cholesterol numbers low....

Matti (aka Gollum) would have us believe that your brain
is not working as a consequence.

Translation from Chunglish to English: "Matti has provided
more medical citations this week than I have the whole time
I've been here. Matti has enriched the citations by adding
to them as new ones are found (which I characterize as
talking to oneself). Because Matti shows me up with
independent sources of reliable information, I have to make
sure that nobody takes them seriously. The best way I can
think of to ridicule a large, intelligent, thoughtful
contribution is by making silly statements, untrue
statements, denigratory statements. The frequent use of
mischaracterization is another good tactic to drive out
genuine contributors and their proofs that I'm a shallow
bullshitter who functions for the sheer delight of ego
gratification."

HTH

Bob

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

TopCounsel said:

>How does a fast affect cholesterol ?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Is there a rise in cholesterol, hdl and or ldl, when
>the body switches over to burning its own fat for
>energy ?

I'm not an MD, but I am an experienced faster (real
fasts, water only, as long as 15 days). I never have
been tested during my fasts, but I routinely test
"abnormally low" for the cholesterol figures you asked
about, well outside the normal ranges.

In my case, the numbers may also be affected by the fact
that I run nearly every day, normally drink 1 or 2
glasses of red wine with dinner, and take a daily garlic
supplement.

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be the poster child for how to keep your
cholesterol numbers low....

Matti (aka Gollum) would have us believe that your brain
is not working as a consequence.

Translation from Chunglish to English: "Matti has provided
more medical citations this week than I have the whole
time I've been here. Matti has enriched the citations by
adding to them as new ones are found (which I characterize
as talking to oneself). Because Matti shows me up with
independent sources of reliable information, I have to
make sure that nobody takes them seriously. The best way I
can think of to ridicule a large, intelligent, thoughtful
contribution is by making silly statements, untrue
statements, denigratory statements. The frequent use of
mischaracterization is another good tactic to drive out
genuine contributors and their proofs that I'm a shallow
bullshitter who functions for the sheer delight of ego
gratification."

HTH

Bob

"...a shallow bullshitter who functions for the sheer
delight of ego gratification."

Well yes Bob, but I did suggest your talent could be put to
better use.

Zee

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Liam for what it's worth, my physician cautioned me not to
fast saying it would raise cholesterol.

Wouldn't this make some sense as a temporary rise of the
levels of "mobile" cholesterol as these substances are
metabolized (along with everything else) during calorie
restriction? Not being schooled in this science, I
nonetheless would expect a temporary rise in a number of
serum components during calorie restriction (and an increase
in others), which numbers should then change and stabilize
once the calorie restriction is ended. Why should the
temporary rise be feared, if the end result (and the more
permanent effect) is the one desired?

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Dr. Chung said:

Quoted message said:

I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry me),
but I could be the poster child for how to keep your
cholesterol numbers low....

Quoted message said:

Matti (aka Gollum) would have us believe that your brain
is not working as a

consequence.

And YOUR opinion is....?

You can safely ignore Chung's comments and opinions about
nutritional issues. In fact it is safer to ignore them than
not to. His knowledge about nutrition is virtually
nonexistent, he never admits his mistakes and therefore
fails to learn from them. But worst of all, his objectivity
is compromised by his compulsive obsession to "win" every
debate he enters no matter what. To achieve this he is not
above twisting other debaters' comments and opinions to
whatever unrecognizable form which better suits his agenda -
as he has done here, too.

To return to the topic at hand, brain does need cholesterol
for its proper functioning. But cholesterol does not cross
the blood-brain barrier, brain (glias) makes its own
cholesterol. Therefore serum cholesterol level can be
independent of the brain's cholesterol synthesis status. It
is possible that one may have high serum cholesterol, but
one's brain may not synthesize enough cholesterol. Or vice
versa, the brain may produce enough cholesterol, but serum
cholesterol can on the lowish side.

--
Matti Narkia

TopCounsel said:

Dr. Chung said:

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I don't know if it's good or bad (nor does it worry
me), but I could be the poster child for how to keep
your cholesterol numbers low....

Quoted message said:

Matti (aka Gollum) would have us believe that your brain
is not working as a

consequence.

And YOUR opinion is....?

That Matti does not seem to know much more than how to do a
PubMed search.

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Andrew

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Thanks for the information ! I'm very impressed ... !!

I've been thinking of entering a fast, however in my case, I
shall have to research the procedures to follow very
carefully. Lots of water I know about. But having had a 3ple
bypass, I don't want to put too much stress on the old
vascular system, or at least help it retain what flexibility
it has. What vitamins to take or not to take, if aspirin or
not, if cozaar or not, etc.

Be well

liaM