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  1. newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet

    12:21 18 May 04

    NewScientist.com news service

    The claimed benefits of the controversial low-carbohydrate
    Atkins diet have been reaffirmed in two new studies, one of
    which is the longest study to date.

    "I think it's good news for Atkins dieters," says Linda
    Stern, who led the first study of 132 obese patients at the
    Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Philadelphia, US.

    The diet was devised by the late US doctor Robert Atkins. To
    lose weight, devotees avoid carbohydrates and consume more
    protein and fat instead.

    Both new studies found that subjects on the Atkins diet shed
    significant amounts of weight without harmful effects on
    blood fats and sugars. But the studies have failed to
    silence critics of the diet, who want the US government to
    investigate alleged adverse effects.

    Stern's year-long study (Annals of Internal Medicine, vol
    140, p778) was twice the length of any previous study. Half
    the patients followed the Atkins regime, limiting daily
    carbohydrate intake to just 30 grams. The rest tried losing
    weight through a conventional low-fat diet much richer in
    carbohydrates.

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group. But
    the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in the first
    six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Stern says that this pattern of rapid weight loss matches
    that seen in an earlier but shorter study of Atkins dieters,
    by Gary Foster's team at the University of Pennsylvania in
    May 2003. "I'm impressed that they didn't gain it all back,"
    says Stern.

    Compared with the low-fat group, Atkins dieters also had
    lower levels of triglycerides, potentially harmful blood
    sugars which can trigger heart disease. Concentrations of
    beneficial high density cholesterols (HDLs) also held up
    better in the Atkins group. And these favourable changes
    remained till the end of the study, suggesting that there
    might be lasting benefits.

    "But what we really need is a study showing whether people
    on the low-carbohydrate diet for years have different odds
    of heart attacks, strokes and diabetes," she says.

    A second, six-month study on 120 overweight patients at
    Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina,
    echoes the first, with low-carbohydrate dieters shedding an
    average of 12 kilos, twice that lost by those on a low-fat
    regime (Annals of Internal Medicine, vol 140, p769). And
    the pattern of blood fats and sugars mirrored that in
    Stern's study.

    "Over six months, the diet appears to be relatively safe,
    but we need to study the safety for longer durations," says
    Will Yancy, head of the Duke team.

    But critics highlight some negative findings from the Duke
    study. "This new evidence confirms that levels of 'bad'
    cholesterol worsen in a substantial number of low-
    carbohydrate dieters," said Neal Barnard of the Physicians
    Committee for Responsible Medicine, a vegan lobby group in
    Washington DC.

    "And the supposedly dramatic benefits of the diet do not
    hold up over the long term," said Barnard, referring to the
    end of weight loss after six months in the Stern study.

    Although broadly supportive of the Atkins regime, Yancy
    warns that the diet could pose risks including the
    higher "bad" cholesterol, bone loss and kidney stones.
    Because of this, he discourages first-time dieters from
    using the regime.

    Andy Coghlan

    ****************************************

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    Scientists endorse Atkins diet

    Following a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet is a more
    effective way to lose weight than following a low fat diet,
    say US researchers.

    Two studies published in the journal Annals of Internal
    Medicine found weight loss was greatest when people followed
    an Atkins-style diet.

    Cholesterol levels also seemed to improve more on a low-carb
    diet compared to a low-fat diet.

    However, the research was funded by the Robert C Atkins
    Foundation.

    And critics say there are still serious doubts about the long-
    term effect on health of adopting such diets.

    In the first study, researchers at Duke University Medical
    Center in Durham, North Carolina, assigned 120 obese
    volunteers to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet
    or a low-fat, low-cholesterol, low-calorie diet.

    After six months, the people on the Atkins-style diet had
    lost an average of 26 pounds, compared to an average of 14
    pounds in the conventional low-fat diet group.

    The low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet also had a good
    effect on fat levels.

    The Atkins dieters lost more body fat, lowered their
    triglyceride levels and raised their "good" HDL cholesterol
    levels more than the low-fat dieters.

    In the second study, researchers at the Veterans Affairs
    Medical Center in Philadelphia followed 132 obese adults
    who were randomised to either low-carbohydrate or low-fat
    diet groups.

    Again, after six months the people following the low-
    carbohydrate diet lost the most weight and had improved
    fat levels.

    However, at 12 months both groups had lost similar amounts
    of weight.

    The low fat group had continued to lose weight from six to
    12 months while the average weight in the low-carbohydrate
    group had remained steady after six months.

    Lead author of the Philadelphia study Dr Linda Stern said:
    "I think a low-carbohydrate diet is a good choice because
    much of our overeating has to do with consumption of too
    many carbohydrates."

    But she said more research was needed to see if a low-
    carbohydrate diet remained safe and effective over the
    longer term.

    In an accompanying editorial, Dr Walter Willett, from the
    Harvard School of Public Health in the US, said: "We can no
    longer dismiss very-low-carbohydrate diets."

    But he added that such diets should include healthy sources
    of protein and fat and incorporate regular exercise.

    "Patients should focus on finding ways to eat that they can
    maintain indefinitely rather than seeking diets that promote
    rapid weight loss," he said.

    Dr David Haslam, chairman of the National Obesity Forum,
    said: "There is no doubt that if low-carbohydrate, high-
    protein diets are followed properly you will lose weight.

    "What's always been questioned is the long term efficacy of
    such diets and in the short term, with weight loss, there
    are certain risks in certain patients - like patients with
    renal problems."

    "There's still no long term data about the efficacy and you
    can't stick on that type of diet for long because it's
    unpalatable," he said.

    Dr Haslam called for more research spanning five to six
    years rather than months.

    He said the best diet was still a healthy, balanced diet
    cutting out excessive fat.

    "One thing the Atkins isn't is balanced. It's not what the
    body expects and that's why we don't know the long term
    changes," he said.

    Dietzmina Govindji, of the British Dietetic Association,
    also warned people against thinking Atkins, or other similar
    diets, were the best way to lose weight.

    She said: "Do not be sucked in by the cabbage soup diet and
    other fad diets.

    "The thing to remember about all these quick-fix diets is
    they do help you lose weight very, very quickly but often
    you will put it back on very, very quickly and they often
    miss out on whole food groups, so you are not getting the
    full range of vitamins and minerals you need."

  2. "Diarmid Logan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Quoted message said:

    Compared with the low-fat group, Atkins dieters also had
    lower levels of triglycerides, potentially harmful blood
    sugars which can trigger heart disease. Concentrations of
    beneficial high density cholesterols (HDLs) also held up
    better in the Atkins group. And these favourable changes
    remained till the end of the study, suggesting that there
    might be lasting benefits.

    Quoted message said:

    Andy Coghlan

    Andy I saw this on the news today (and last night), where
    they covered this subject.

    Thanks for posting this here.

    It reflects my own experience as well.

    --
    Regards, Evelyn

    (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox"😉

  3. Can't comment on the article, but one would think that
    people who are educated to become writers of articles would
    know what a "regime" is and what a "regimen" is.

    Diarmid Logan said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet

    12:21 18 May 04

    NewScientist.com news service

    The claimed benefits of the controversial low-carbohydrate
    Atkins diet have been reaffirmed in two new studies, one
    of which is the longest study to date.

    "I think it's good news for Atkins dieters," says Linda
    Stern, who led the first study of 132 obese patients at
    the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Philadelphia, US.

    The diet was devised by the late US doctor Robert Atkins.
    To lose weight, devotees avoid carbohydrates and consume
    more protein and fat instead.

    Both new studies found that subjects on the Atkins diet
    shed significant amounts of weight without harmful effects
    on blood fats and sugars. But the studies have failed to
    silence critics of the diet, who want the US government to
    investigate alleged adverse effects.

    Stern's year-long study (Annals of Internal Medicine, vol
    140, p778) was twice the length of any previous study.
    Half the patients followed the Atkins regime, limiting
    daily carbohydrate intake to just 30 grams. The rest tried
    losing weight through a conventional low-fat diet much
    richer in carbohydrates.

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group. But
    the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in the
    first six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Stern says that this pattern of rapid weight loss matches
    that seen in an earlier but shorter study of Atkins
    dieters, by Gary Foster's team at the University of
    Pennsylvania in May 2003. "I'm impressed that they didn't
    gain it all back," says Stern.

    Compared with the low-fat group, Atkins dieters also had
    lower levels of triglycerides, potentially harmful blood
    sugars which can trigger heart disease. Concentrations of
    beneficial high density cholesterols (HDLs) also held up
    better in the Atkins group. And these favourable changes
    remained till the end of the study, suggesting that there
    might be lasting benefits.

    "But what we really need is a study showing whether people
    on the low-carbohydrate diet for years have different odds
    of heart attacks, strokes and diabetes," she says.

    A second, six-month study on 120 overweight patients at
    Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina,
    echoes the first, with low-carbohydrate dieters shedding
    an average of 12 kilos, twice that lost by those on a low-
    fat regime (Annals of Internal Medicine, vol 140, p769).
    And the pattern of blood fats and sugars mirrored that in
    Stern's study.

    "Over six months, the diet appears to be relatively safe,
    but we need to study the safety for longer durations,"
    says Will Yancy, head of the Duke team.

    But critics highlight some negative findings from the Duke
    study. "This new evidence confirms that levels of 'bad'
    cholesterol worsen in a substantial number of low-
    carbohydrate dieters," said Neal Barnard of the Physicians
    Committee for Responsible Medicine, a vegan lobby group in
    Washington DC.

    "And the supposedly dramatic benefits of the diet do
    not hold up over the long term," said Barnard,
    referring to the end of weight loss after six months in
    the Stern study.

    Although broadly supportive of the Atkins regime, Yancy
    warns that the diet could pose risks including the
    higher "bad" cholesterol, bone loss and kidney stones.
    Because of this, he discourages first-time dieters from
    using the regime.

    Andy Coghlan

    ****************************************

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    Scientists endorse Atkins diet

    Following a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet is a more
    effective way to lose weight than following a low fat
    diet, say US researchers.

    Two studies published in the journal Annals of Internal
    Medicine found weight loss was greatest when people
    followed an Atkins-style diet.

    Cholesterol levels also seemed to improve more on a low-
    carb diet compared to a low-fat diet.

    However, the research was funded by the Robert C Atkins
    Foundation.

    And critics say there are still serious doubts about the
    long-term effect on health of adopting such diets.

    In the first study, researchers at Duke University Medical
    Center in Durham, North Carolina, assigned 120 obese
    volunteers to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet
    or a low-fat, low-cholesterol, low-calorie diet.

    After six months, the people on the Atkins-style diet had
    lost an average of 26 pounds, compared to an average of 14
    pounds in the conventional low-fat diet group.

    The low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet also had a good
    effect on fat levels.

    The Atkins dieters lost more body fat, lowered their
    triglyceride levels and raised their "good" HDL
    cholesterol levels more than the low-fat dieters.

    In the second study, researchers at the Veterans Affairs
    Medical Center in Philadelphia followed 132 obese adults
    who were randomised to either low-carbohydrate or low-fat
    diet groups.

    Again, after six months the people following the low-
    carbohydrate diet lost the most weight and had improved
    fat levels.

    However, at 12 months both groups had lost similar amounts
    of weight.

    The low fat group had continued to lose weight from six to
    12 months while the average weight in the low-carbohydrate
    group had remained steady after six months.

    Lead author of the Philadelphia study Dr Linda Stern said:
    "I think a low-carbohydrate diet is a good choice because
    much of our overeating has to do with consumption of too
    many carbohydrates."

    But she said more research was needed to see if a low-
    carbohydrate diet remained safe and effective over the
    longer term.

    In an accompanying editorial, Dr Walter Willett, from the
    Harvard School of Public Health in the US, said: "We can
    no longer dismiss very-low-carbohydrate diets."

    But he added that such diets should include healthy
    sources of protein and fat and incorporate regular
    exercise.

    "Patients should focus on finding ways to eat that they
    can maintain indefinitely rather than seeking diets that
    promote rapid weight loss," he said.

    Dr David Haslam, chairman of the National Obesity Forum,
    said: "There is no doubt that if low-carbohydrate, high-
    protein diets are followed properly you will lose weight.

    "What's always been questioned is the long term efficacy
    of such diets and in the short term, with weight loss,
    there are certain risks in certain patients - like
    patients with renal problems."

    "There's still no long term data about the efficacy and
    you can't stick on that type of diet for long because it's
    unpalatable," he said.

    Dr Haslam called for more research spanning five to six
    years rather than months.

    He said the best diet was still a healthy, balanced diet
    cutting out excessive fat.

    "One thing the Atkins isn't is balanced. It's not what the
    body expects and that's why we don't know the long term
    changes," he said.

    Dietzmina Govindji, of the British Dietetic Association,
    also warned people against thinking Atkins, or other
    similar diets, were the best way to lose weight.

    She said: "Do not be sucked in by the cabbage soup diet
    and other fad diets.

    "The thing to remember about all these quick-fix diets is
    they do help you lose weight very, very quickly but often
    you will put it back on very, very quickly and they often
    miss out on whole food groups, so you are not getting the
    full range of vitamins and minerals you need."

    --
    The post you just read, unless otherwise noted, is strictly
    my opinion and experience. Please interpret accordingly.

  4. "Crafting Mom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Can't comment on the article, but one would think that
    people who are educated to become writers of articles
    would know what a "regime" is and what a "regimen" is.

    Probably a typo.... losing that last letter "n"
    --
    Regards, Evelyn

    (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox"😉

    Quoted message said:


    Diarmid Logan said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet

    12:21 18 May 04

    NewScientist.com news service

    The claimed benefits of the controversial low-
    carbohydrate Atkins diet have been reaffirmed in two new
    studies, one of which is the longest study to date.

    "I think it's good news for Atkins dieters," says Linda
    Stern, who led the first study of 132 obese patients at
    the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Philadelphia, US.

    The diet was devised by the late US doctor Robert
    Atkins. To lose weight, devotees avoid carbohydrates and
    consume more protein and fat instead.

    Both new studies found that subjects on the Atkins diet
    shed significant amounts of weight without harmful
    effects on blood fats and sugars. But the studies have
    failed to silence critics of the diet, who want the US
    government to investigate alleged adverse effects.

    Stern's year-long study (Annals of Internal Medicine,
    vol 140, p778) was twice the length of any previous
    study. Half the patients followed the Atkins regime,
    limiting daily carbohydrate intake to just 30 grams. The
    rest tried losing weight through a conventional low-fat
    diet much richer in carbohydrates.

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount
    of weight, between five and eight kilograms for the
    Atkins group and three and eight kilos for the low fat
    group. But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their
    weight in the first six months, then remained at a
    steady weight.

    Stern says that this pattern of rapid weight loss
    matches that seen in an earlier but shorter study of
    Atkins dieters, by Gary Foster's team at the University
    of Pennsylvania in May 2003. "I'm impressed that they
    didn't gain it all back," says Stern.

    Compared with the low-fat group, Atkins dieters also had
    lower levels of triglycerides, potentially harmful blood
    sugars which can trigger heart disease. Concentrations
    of beneficial high density cholesterols (HDLs) also held
    up better in the Atkins group. And these favourable
    changes remained till the end of the study, suggesting
    that there might be lasting benefits.

    "But what we really need is a study showing whether
    people on the low-carbohydrate diet for years have
    different odds of heart attacks, strokes and diabetes,"
    she says.

    A second, six-month study on 120 overweight patients at
    Duke University Medical Center in Durham, North
    Carolina, echoes the first, with low-carbohydrate
    dieters shedding an average of 12 kilos, twice that lost
    by those on a low-fat regime (Annals of Internal
    Medicine, vol 140, p769). And the pattern of blood fats
    and sugars mirrored that in Stern's study.

    "Over six months, the diet appears to be relatively
    safe, but we need to study the safety for longer
    durations," says Will Yancy, head of the Duke team.

    But critics highlight some negative findings from the
    Duke study. "This new evidence confirms that levels of
    'bad' cholesterol worsen in a substantial number of low-
    carbohydrate dieters," said Neal Barnard of the
    Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, a vegan
    lobby group in Washington DC.

    "And the supposedly dramatic benefits of the diet do not
    hold up over the long term," said Barnard, referring to
    the end of weight loss after six months in the Stern
    study.

    Although broadly supportive of the Atkins regime, Yancy
    warns that the diet could pose risks including the
    higher "bad" cholesterol, bone loss and kidney stones.
    Because of this, he discourages first-time dieters from
    using the regime.

    Andy Coghlan

    ****************************************

    news.bbc.co.uk3722221.stm

    Scientists endorse Atkins diet

    Following a low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet is a
    more effective way to lose weight than following a low
    fat diet, say US researchers.

    Two studies published in the journal Annals of Internal
    Medicine found weight loss was greatest when people
    followed an Atkins-style diet.

    Cholesterol levels also seemed to improve more on a low-
    carb diet compared to a low-fat diet.

    However, the research was funded by the Robert C Atkins
    Foundation.

    And critics say there are still serious doubts about the
    long-term effect on health of adopting such diets.

    In the first study, researchers at Duke University
    Medical Center in Durham, North Carolina, assigned 120
    obese volunteers to either a low-carbohydrate, high-
    protein diet or a low-fat, low-cholesterol, low-
    calorie diet.

    After six months, the people on the Atkins-style diet
    had lost an average of 26 pounds, compared to an average
    of 14 pounds in the conventional low-fat diet group.

    The low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet also had a good
    effect on fat levels.

    The Atkins dieters lost more body fat, lowered their
    triglyceride levels and raised their "good" HDL
    cholesterol levels more than the low-fat dieters.

    In the second study, researchers at the Veterans Affairs
    Medical Center in Philadelphia followed 132 obese adults
    who were randomised to either low-carbohydrate or low-
    fat diet groups.

    Again, after six months the people following the low-
    carbohydrate diet lost the most weight and had improved
    fat levels.

    However, at 12 months both groups had lost similar
    amounts of weight.

    The low fat group had continued to lose weight from six
    to 12 months while the average weight in the low-
    carbohydrate group had remained steady after six months.

    Lead author of the Philadelphia study Dr Linda Stern
    said: "I think a low-carbohydrate diet is a good choice
    because much of our overeating has to do with
    consumption of too many carbohydrates."

    But she said more research was needed to see if a low-
    carbohydrate diet remained safe and effective over the
    longer term.

    In an accompanying editorial, Dr Walter Willett, from
    the Harvard School of Public Health in the US, said: "We
    can no longer dismiss very-low-carbohydrate diets."

    But he added that such diets should include healthy
    sources of protein and fat and incorporate regular
    exercise.

    "Patients should focus on finding ways to eat that they
    can maintain indefinitely rather than seeking diets that
    promote rapid weight loss," he said.

    Dr David Haslam, chairman of the National Obesity Forum,
    said: "There is no doubt that if low-carbohydrate, high-
    protein diets are followed properly you will lose
    weight.

    "What's always been questioned is the long term efficacy
    of such diets and in the short term, with weight loss,
    there are certain risks in certain patients - like
    patients with renal problems."

    "There's still no long term data about the efficacy and
    you can't stick on that type of diet for long because
    it's unpalatable," he said.

    Dr Haslam called for more research spanning five to six
    years rather than months.

    He said the best diet was still a healthy, balanced diet
    cutting out excessive fat.

    "One thing the Atkins isn't is balanced. It's not what
    the body expects and that's why we don't know the long
    term changes," he said.

    Dietzmina Govindji, of the British Dietetic Association,
    also warned people against thinking Atkins, or other
    similar diets, were the best way to lose weight.

    She said: "Do not be sucked in by the cabbage soup diet
    and other fad diets.

    "The thing to remember about all these quick-fix diets
    is they do help you lose weight very, very quickly but
    often you will put it back on very, very quickly and
    they often miss out on whole food groups, so you are not
    getting the full range of vitamins and minerals you
    need."

    --
    The post you just read, unless otherwise noted, is
    strictly my opinion and experience. Please interpret
    accordingly.

  5. Tue, 18 May 2004 10:53:37 -0300 in article
    <[email hidden]> Crafting Mom

    Quoted message said:

    Can't comment on the article, but one would think that
    people who are educated to become writers of articles would
    know what a "regime" is and what a "regimen" is.


    Actually, according to

    <URL:http://dictionary.reference.com>

    which uses as its source _The American Heritage® Dictionary
    of the English Language, Fourth Edition_, regime" and
    "regimen" are synonyms (in the context used in the articles
    you are referring to):

    "re·gime also ré·gime
    n.

    [..]

    4. A regulated system, as of diet and exercise; a
    regimen."

    The medical dictionary at <URL:http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/>
    is bit more restrictive allowing the meaning implied in the
    articles only for the word "regimen".

    --
    Matti Narkia

  6. On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid Logan"

    Quoted message said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group. But
    the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in the
    first six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After six
    months I entered a six month stall, and have only broken
    that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    doug

  7. In article said:

    On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid

    Logan said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group.
    But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in
    the first six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After
    six months I entered a six month stall, and have only
    broken that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    The upside of this is that it probably means you are in a
    better state of health, metabolically, than those who keep
    losing and losing on
    LC. It is just a "hunch".

    --
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------
    char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){pr-
    intf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy
    childhood."

  8. In article said:

    On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid

    Logan said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group.
    But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in
    the first six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After
    six months I entered a six month stall, and have only
    broken that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    The upside of this is that it probably means you are in a
    better state of health, metabolically, than those who keep
    losing and losing on
    LC. It is just a "hunch".

    --
    ------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------
    char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){pr-
    intf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy
    childhood."

  9. Doug Lerner said:

    On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid

    Logan said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount of
    weight, between five and eight kilograms for the Atkins
    group and three and eight kilos for the low fat group.
    But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their weight in
    the first six months, then remained at a steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After
    six months I entered a six month stall, and have only
    broken that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    doug

    Did you increase your carbohydrate intake, as required by
    Atkins, during this period? Did you find your critical
    carbohydrate level for losing? What most people do is keep
    eating at 20-30 grams of carbs per day, which is not what
    Atkins advocates. Did you exercise? Also, calories are
    always important, regardless of what "diet" you follow.

    --
    Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

  10. "Diarmid Logan" <[email hidden]> píse v diskusním príspevku
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Quoted message said:

    was twice the length of any previous study. Half the
    patients followed the Atkins regime, limiting daily
    carbohydrate intake to just 30 grams.

    Ooops. Limiting carbs intake to 30 grams is NOT Atkins
    regime.

    These are induction levels and you are not supposed to be so
    low for more then couple of weeks, most prefferable 14 days
    only. Certainly not for one year.

    Quoted message said:

    Compared with the low-fat group, Atkins dieters also had
    lower levels of triglycerides, potentially harmful blood
    sugars which can trigger heart disease. Concentrations of
    beneficial high density cholesterols (HDLs) also held up
    better in the Atkins group. And these favourable changes
    remained till the end of the study, suggesting that there
    might be lasting benefits.

    One might ask what lipid results the study would gave if
    Atkins (or more generall LC approach) was really followed,
    raising maintainance carbs levels to 80-120g with vegetable
    and fruit sources.

    Quoted message said:

    But critics highlight some negative findings from the Duke
    study. "This new evidence confirms that levels of 'bad'
    cholesterol worsen in a substantial number of low-
    carbohydrate dieters," said Neal Barnard of the Physicians
    Committee for Responsible Medicine, a vegan lobby group in
    Washington DC.

    Yeah, sure. Chicken meat is unhealthy because there is no
    vitamin C in
    it.

    Mirek

  11. (Diarmid Logan) said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet


    A year long study with 132 people does NOT a true trial
    make...six months is nothing....

  12. (Diarmid Logan) said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet


    A year long study with 132 people does NOT a true trial
    make...six months is nothing....

  13. "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Did you increase your carbohydrate intake, as required by
    Atkins, during this period? Did you find your critical
    carbohydrate level for losing? What most people do is keep
    eating at 20-30 grams of carbs per day, which is not what
    Atkins advocates. Did you exercise? Also, calories are
    always important, regardless of what "diet" you follow.

    --
    Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

    Very good points, which also reflect my own experience. I
    lost a certain amount of weight then stalled, and I wasn't
    too meticulous about watching those things (above) and I was
    lazy about exercise too. I think some sort of a modified
    version will evolve that may be best for me. Maybe South
    Beach or something..... and the exercise of course.
    --
    Regards, Evelyn

    (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox"😉

  14. "Bob in CT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did you increase your carbohydrate intake, as required by
    Atkins, during this period? Did you find your critical
    carbohydrate level for losing? What most people do is keep
    eating at 20-30 grams of carbs per day, which is not what
    Atkins advocates. Did you exercise? Also, calories are
    always important, regardless of what "diet" you follow.

    --
    Bob in CT Remove ".x" to reply

    Very good points, which also reflect my own experience. I
    lost a certain amount of weight then stalled, and I wasn't
    too meticulous about watching those things (above) and I was
    lazy about exercise too. I think some sort of a modified
    version will evolve that may be best for me. Maybe South
    Beach or something..... and the exercise of course.
    --
    Regards, Evelyn

    (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox"😉

  15. "Doug Lerner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid

    Logan said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount
    of weight, between five and eight kilograms for the
    Atkins group and three and eight kilos for the low fat
    group. But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their
    weight in the first six months, then remained at a
    steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After
    six months I entered a six month stall, and have only
    broken that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    doug

    So maybe that is the secret for losing weight. Go on Atkins
    for 6 months then switch to a lower calorie diet.

    But my question is what is the effect of each type of diet
    on a diabetic?

    PJ

  16. gman99 said:

    A year long study with 132 people does NOT a true trial
    make...six months is nothing....

    Feel free to fund a larger long-term study.

    --
    As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and
    more energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit
    at C. This energy has to come from somewhere; in this case,
    from the food's nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food
    is, the worse it gets. -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the
    taste of fast food

  17. Peanutjake said:

    But my question is what is the effect of each type of diet
    on a diabetic?

    The second study showed significantly better glycemic
    control on low-carb.

    Which seems frankly so damned obvious to me that it seems
    ridiculous to need a study.

    People with impaired carbohydrate metabolism should limit
    carbs! Surprise!

    Blond moments in science...

    --
    As you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and
    more energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit
    at C. This energy has to come from somewhere; in this case,
    from the food's nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food
    is, the worse it gets. -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the
    taste of fast food

  18. gman99 said:
    (Diarmid Logan) said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet


    A year long study with 132 people does NOT a true trial
    make...six months is nothing....

    Correct.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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  19. gman99 said:
    (Diarmid Logan) said:

    newscientist.comnews.jsp

    Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet


    A year long study with 132 people does NOT a true trial
    make...six months is nothing....

    Correct.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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  20. Doug Lerner said:

    On 5/18/04 10:44 PM, in article
    [email hidden], "Diarmid

    Logan said:

    By the end, both groups had lost about the same amount
    of weight, between five and eight kilograms for the
    Atkins group and three and eight kilos for the low fat
    group. But the Atkins dieters lost almost all their
    weight in the first six months, then remained at a
    steady weight.

    Which is precisely the PROBLEM I had with Atkins. After
    six months I entered a six month stall, and have only
    broken that stall by switching to a low-calorie diet.

    doug

    No switching is required with the 2PD approach which can be
    dovetailed with reduced carbs if you choose.

    heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp

    Would suggest you ask your doctor about it.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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