Dark Horse

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

Santiago Botero

HA HA HA HA HA

Bob C.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

Mmmmm.... Jan Ullrich. I heard he is getting good at those
time trials.

Simon

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark
horse? If Floyd does a lot of work on the climbs but
finishes way down in the GC do you claim a win?

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

Can you give a better definition of how to judge a dark
horse? If Floyd does a lot of work on the climbs but
finishes way down in the GC do you claim a win?

No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like
a top ten.

Mike

I have answers for this on several levels:

1. Flatlanders aka sprinters: I think Mario Cipollini will
actually stay in longer than usual. I think that he
wants once before he retires to finish the Tour and
will try to do so. Not saying he'll make it all the way
to Paris, just that he won't abandon on the first
uphill day.

2. Overall I think that Tyler Hamilton will be out to prove
that last year's performance (broken collarbone and all)
was not a fluke -- I look for 2 American's on the podium
-- one Mr. Lance Armstrong on the top step and Tyler on
the 2nd step.

Have a wonderful day,

Joe Hurley

who hopes that the USA (1) finds a replacement sponsor for
USPS after this season for the team and (2) develops some
good young riders to fill Lance's shoes when he does retire.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

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No, Floyd Landis has got to finish surprisingly high, like
a top ten.

Floyd will be up there for the first half of the race but
will fall back after Lance takes over.

I expect the real dark horse to be Ivan Basso.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody
noticed that Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?

Alcobendas:

1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26 2 Iban Mayo
(Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty
Seguros 0.06

Not exactly a dark horse, though.

Peter

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Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody
noticed that Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?

Wasn't it uphill?

McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe d'Huez flattens out in the second half.

Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of
the podium with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso
struggles, Julich could finish well too.

I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a definite
possibility. Just think of the potential battles; Armstrong,
Ullrich, Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo, Basso, Simoni,
Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia, Laiseka. There's probably a
dozen more names that will show up once or twice. But all of
those above should be battling every day.

Roland

Roland2k said:

Laiseka.

Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
cycling4all.comr04rvf00.phpOpen ↗ and cy-cy-Open ↗
clingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news
halfway down.

jim gravity said:

Alpe d'Huez flattens out in the second half.

Errrr... no it doesn't.
phys.uu.nlhuez sud.gifOpen ↗

Heras until the penultimate stage. He will not be challenged
until the ITT on Saturday. He has a strong team for the TTT
(besides, he can only lose
2:30 - I think). Any time he has lost in the prologue or TTT
he should be able to make up in the Pyrenees the uphill TT
and the final day in the Alps. Heras in yellow until Sat
morning. Another nail-biter ITT.

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Roland2k said:

Laiseka.

Only reserve because of more focus on rouleurs. See
cycling4all.comr04rvf00.phpOpen ↗ and cy-cy-Open ↗
clingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/may04/may19news
halfway down.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of
the podium with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso
struggles, Julich could finish well too.

I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a
definite possibility. Just think of the potential
battles; Armstrong, Ullrich, Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo,
Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia, Laiseka.
There's probably a dozen more names that will show up
once or twice. But all of those above should be battling
every day.

Agree for the most part; E-E announced their roster and
unfortunately, Laiseka won't be riding. Nor will Sammy
Sanchez, which is probably just as well after he went HD on
l'Alpe d'Huez last year... Also, Vini Calridola is not one
of the teams invited to the Tour this year, so no Garzelli.

My version of that list would consist of Armstrong,
Hamilton, Leipheimer, Ullrich, Mayo, Zubeldia, Julich,
Simoni, Totschnig, Frigo if he goes, Aitor Gonzalez, Heras,
and - this one I want to stress - Sevilla, in his new
Phonak colors.

-Sonarrat.

On 05/19/2004 07:36 AM, in article
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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Mike

How about Levi Leipheimer? How about an American sweep of
the podium with Tyler on the top step? If Ivan Basso
struggles, Julich could finish well too.

I can't wait for the mountains this year; epic is a
definite possibility. Just think of the potential
battles; Armstrong, Ullrich, Hamilton, Vinokourov, Mayo,
Basso, Simoni, Garzelli, Sastre, Zubeldia, Laiseka.
There's probably a dozen more names that will show up
once or twice. But all of those above should be battling
every day.

Laiseka is being left off the Euskatel team
(procycling.comnews main.aspOpen ↗).

Vini Caldirola (Garzelli) wasn't invited.

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Who's your "dark horse" -- not necessarily to win -- but
to do surprisingly well in the TdF this year?

Mine: Floyd Landis.

Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has nobody
noticed that

Mayo

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appears to have learnt to TT?

Alcobendas:

1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26 2 Iban Mayo
(Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty
Seguros 0.06

Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?

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Quoted message said:

Since no-one seems to have mentioned the guy - has
nobody noticed that Mayo appears to have learnt to TT?

Wasn't it uphill?

McGee is learning to hang with the climbers, and Alpe
d'Huez flattens out in the second half.

Top 5 Giro...top 10 Tour.

Yeah, to a meager 8%.

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1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26 2 Iban Mayo
(Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa)
Liberty Seguros 0.06

Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?

About eleven and a half minutes long.

"Steven L. Sheffield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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(procycling.comnews main.aspOpen ↗).

That's really too bad that a stage winner won't be on
the TdF team.

Mike

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1 Luis Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros 11.26 2 Iban Mayo
(Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.03 3 Isidro Nozal (Spa) Liberty
Seguros 0.06

Think about this - how long is a TT that takes 0:11:26?

About eleven and a half minutes long.

(rim shot)!

Steve