Journey Planner

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
cyclejourneyplanner.org.ukcyclejourneyplanner.org.ukOpen ↗

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice if
other people mention that too.

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Keith Willoughby said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

I use a mixture of shimano and sachs. Is that still
compatible with CSS?

--
Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

Keith Willoughby said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

I use a mixture of shimano and sachs. Is that still
compatible with CSS?

--
Young Musician of the Year 2004 was a fiddle

Peter Clinch said:

"The Department for Transport (DfT) would like to create a
National online cycle journey planner to help people plan
point-to-point urban cycle routes. The planner will
provide automatic routing specific to cyclists, based on
user preferences and information about the recommended
local cycling routes (avoiding traffic, difficult
junctions etc.). The cycling journey planner will also
work with the national Transport Direct journey planner
which deals with other modes of transport."

I suggested they talk to the CTC as well, gave the option to
show a route not using shared-use paths, and indicated
traffic calmed areas (which can be safer or less safe
depending on the type of calming).

Keith Willoughby said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
cyclejourneyplanner.org.ukcyclejourneyplanner.org.ukOpen ↗

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I wrote:

"Other than fewer and slower cars, you mean? Bike Parking"

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

Keith Willoughby said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
cyclejourneyplanner.org.ukcyclejourneyplanner.org.ukOpen ↗

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I wrote:

"Other than fewer and slower cars, you mean? Bike Parking"

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I suggested removal of the barriers that prevent anyone
towing a trailer from accessing certain cyclepaths.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
reply address)
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dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I suggested removal of the barriers that prevent anyone
towing a trailer from accessing certain cyclepaths.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
reply address)
<url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

On Mon, 17 May 2004 16:56:27 +0100, Keith Willoughby
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or less):

Quoted message said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
cyclejourneyplanner.org.ukcyclejourneyplanner.org.ukOpen ↗

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

When I ended up chatting to one of Edinburgh local
councillor (at a ground-breaking ceremony for a new office
block) who was on the relevant committee (I presume the
transport committee) my suggestion was mandatory shower
provision for all new office blocks (I guess I just assumed
getting 2-3 car parking spaces devoted to bike use would
just happen)

Plus I got to try and persuade him away from shared
cycle/pedestrian paths.

(Which now I haunt this forum I discover is knowing-
cyclists' policy, rather than just my 'contrarian' view)

I don't know what effect it had. Mind you, there are now
more on-road lane markings. (Of course that's mainly for
the busses!)

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Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I said that I already to tried to cycle as much as
reasonably possible, and so there wasn't really anything (or
at least not tangibly doable by the government, like
transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body).

If you're worried about storage and parking at destination
then take a long, hard look at folding bikes. One reason I
use a Brompton as my Hack Bike is that the security issue
pretty much disappears for the most part.

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

Good thinking...

My "other" was to talk to CTC and other such groups to make
sure a cyclists perspective was on board, illustrating by
means of farcilities how "well meaning" is not good enough.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext.
33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
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Keith Willoughby said:

Peter Clinch said:

if you fancy some input, surf on over to:
cyclejourneyplanner.org.ukcyclejourneyplanner.org.ukOpen ↗

Done.

What did you put for "one thing that would make you
cycle more"?

Something like: "A highway code rule clearly stating that
cyclists are fully entitled to use the road network, are not
required to use facilities provided for their use and are
not required to defer to motor vehicles".

(Actually, that is not strictly true because I don't let
the absence of that rule stop me cycling. A more truthful
answer might be "a 30 hour day", but that's a bit harder
to arrange.)

Peter

Peter Clinch said:

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of
"the banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at
my destinations would be it.

I said that I already to tried to cycle as much as
reasonably possible, and so there wasn't really anything
(or at least not tangibly doable by the government, like
transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body).

Maybe you could get a grant for that? You'd probably need a
Compulsory Purchase Order, too.

Quoted message said:

If you're worried about storage and parking at destination
then take a long, hard look at folding bikes. One reason I
use a Brompton as my Hack Bike is that the security issue
pretty much disappears for the most part.

Hmm. I've never felt the weight of one. Are they
really convenient for carrying around town while you
do some shopping?

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cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo

Keith Willoughby said:

Hmm. I've never felt the weight of one. Are they really
convenient for carrying around town while you do some
shopping?

No, I wheel it for any distance over a few meters. They
effectively have a built in stand as the first part of the
fold and if I'm in a shop where I can see outside I'll just
swing the back wheel under and leave it outside. This is not
fully secure, granted, but (a) the general perception of a
Brom is it Must Be [censored] because it has small wheels, and
(b) the parking system makes it appear unrideable to the
uninitiated, so in practice it seems to be pretty
safe. Fold is about 15 seconds each way (less time
than it takes to lock a bike IME) so if you're not
happy leaving it on the pavement you can fold it,
carry it in and leave it at the cash desk where the
staff are more than happy to keep an eye on it for you
(nobody seems to mind, that wouldn't work if everyone
had one!) while you shop.

Brompton's pannier system makes for a very good basket for
light shopping as it rides on the main frame so affects the
steering less than a bar bag and 20 liters is enough for
stuff where a bit here and a bit there is the manor of
shopping. And if you decide on heavier shopping, have a
visit from the puncture fairly or a monsoon sets in you can
just fold it up and take it home on the bus.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext.
33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
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Keith Willoughby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

"An end to useless and dangerous cycle lanes, particularly
shared use facilities."

It may be counter-intuitive but I'm convinced that the
growth in cycle facilities, particularly shoddy ones, acts
as a strong disincentive to cycling.

--
Dave...

Keith Willoughby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

"An end to useless and dangerous cycle lanes, particularly
shared use facilities."

It may be counter-intuitive but I'm convinced that the
growth in cycle facilities, particularly shoddy ones, acts
as a strong disincentive to cycling.

--
Dave...

like transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body

But then you would have your face and his fingerprints, so
who would you be, and who he? would you get his bicycle
too? TerryJ

Keith Willoughby said:

What did you put for "one thing that would make you cycle
more"? After careful reflection, and the dismissal of "the
banning of private motor transport" as a little
authoritarian, I decided that cycle security/storage at my
destinations would be it.

I listed

1) secure storage
2) better cycle provision on public transport
3) better numeracy

What? you only wanted a single answer? see point 3

Quoted message said:

I also made a point in the "other comments" section about
following HTML and CSS, etc., standards. It would be nice
if other people mention that too.

I listed my violent aversion to Flash and other plugins in
the special needs section. I always worry when people ask
how fast my internet connection is, as I suspect the subtext
to be "how much HTML and inline image bloat can we shove at
you before you go elsewhere"

I ticked "no" for "objection to commercial sponsorship of
the site, or advertising", because there seemed to be no
option for "unless it interferes drastically with usability"
- the single most annoying feature of streetmap.co.uk is
that every time I click on one of the arrows to move aroudn
the map it scrolls back up to the banner ads at the top so I
have to scroll down again. I'm not going to run my screen at
1600x1200 just so I can see all their ads at once...

-dan

--
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you confirm"

Terry said:

like transplanting my head onto Sam Whittingham's body

But then you would have your face and his fingerprints, so
who would you be, and who he?

I'd be a damn site fitter and faster than I am now, and who
he'd be wouldn't be my problem! ;-)

Quoted message said:

would you get his bicycle too?

Wouldn't need it for what I want, and besides the Varna is
about as much use for general purpose cycling as an Ordinary
is for downhill MTB...

Pete.
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33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177
Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
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