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  1. I stumbled upon This from the archives of alt.support.tinnitus, with
    regards to Stephen Nagler, and it is particularly disturbing:

    Below appears a message that Dr. Nagler posted on March nth,
    2001. It is interesting that he was probably laughed at as
    he has likely has no medical credentials to even open the
    judge's door to get in to discuss a case involving
    disability.

    From: [email hidden] (Stephen Nagler) Newsgroups:
    alt.support.tinnitus Subject: What I Intend to Tell the
    Judge Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:15:46 GMT Organization:
    MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 148 Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]> Reply-To:
    [email hidden] NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.7a X-Server-
    Date: 9 Mar 2001 06:11:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent
    1.1/32.230

    I have just received the following e-mail from Steve Conlon.
    As you can see from the first lines, Mr. Conlon will not
    read my response, but you all will.

    In the e-mail from Steve you will read that in Jack Vernon's
    opinion, Steve Conlon's tinnitus is "so severe and
    incapacitating as to justify any consideration you [the
    court] can afford him." I will not argue with Jack. He's
    entitled to his opinion. What I will tell the Administrative
    Law Judge next week is the absolute truth:

    #1 Jack Vernon never examined Steve Conlon; rather he
    #relied upon the
    findings of somebdy else who - based upon those same
    findings - did not offer a letter in support of Steve's
    disability application.

    #2 In view of the absence of any tinnitus reliability
    #testing, I (as
    a Doctor of Medicine) could not draw the same conclusion as
    Jack Vernon (a psychologist) did.

    #3 In support of #2 above, I will offer as an exhibit weeks
    #and weeks
    of public Internet postings by Steve Conlon, demonstrating
    focused attention (when motivated) for several hours at a
    time over several consecutive days. Based upon that
    evidence, I will challenge the vocational rehab expert
    assigned to the case to explain why Mr. Conlon could not
    participate in "Significant Gainful Employment" according to
    at least one accepted definition of that concept.

    #4 I will point out to the judge that Mr. Conlon has
    #threatened me
    and has stated he will "stop at nothing" to stop me. I will
    point out to the judge that if Mr. Conlon had decided to get
    a job instead of "stopping at nothing" that none of this
    would be happening in the first place.

    #5 I will point out to the judge that I, as well as
    #every single
    taxpayer, pays into the system that will be henceforth
    paying a weekly check to this man with ABILITY that he
    CHOOSES not to use, in addition to whatever DISability he
    might have. I will explain that my disgust as a US taxpayer
    is the basis for my request for re-assessment of the case.

    #6 Finally, I will point out that Mr. Conlon in some
    #five years of
    "suffering" with tinnitus (already receiving disability
    checks for a few years from one carrier based upon his
    tinnitus) has never made an appointment at the universally
    respected University tinnitus center (NON-TRT) that Dr.
    Vernon himsef founded to see if he might find an avenue
    towards relief and return to the workforce. I will point out
    that while Mr. Conlon did not choose to travel to Oregon, he
    did choose to take several vacations to the Carolina coast.

    #7 I will tell the judge that as an American and as a
    #taxpayer I will
    certainly respct the judge's decision upon his reassessment
    of the case, but that I felt it my obligation as a taxpayer
    to supply some additional information that might not have
    been available to the judge at the time of his initial
    evaluation.

    Steve, in case you do happen to be reading this post, you
    have publicly maligned and viciously slandered me. You have
    called me a LIAR, but I do not lie. You have publicly called
    me a schizophrenic psychotic [censored] shill who should not be
    treating tinnitus patients. You have threatened me. And
    THEN, you went outside this newsgroup and wrote two highly
    inflammatory letters about me to the American Tinnitus
    Association (the not-for-profit orgnization whose Board I am
    honored to Chair) ... and one highly inflammatory letter to
    my closest friend in the tinnitus community, Dr. Jack
    Vernon. Steve, you have taken our differences outside of
    this newsgroup ... and now I shall do the same.

    Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

    PSA

  2. OK. The only thing that I learned from this post of Dr.
    Nagler is that he has strong moral beliefs about social
    security aid. Everything he states seems very reasonable and
    I don't see what's so 'disturbing' about it.

    Quoted message said:

    I stumbled upon This from the archives of
    alt.support.tinnitus, with regards to Stephen Nagler, and
    it is particularly disturbing:

    Below appears a message that Dr. Nagler posted on March
    nth, 2001. It is interesting that he was probably laughed
    at as he has likely has no medical credentials to even
    open the judge's door to get in to discuss a case
    involving disability.

    From: [email hidden] (Stephen Nagler) Newsgroups:
    alt.support.tinnitus Subject: What I Intend to Tell the
    Judge Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:15:46 GMT Organization:
    MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 148 Message-ID:
    <[email hidden]> Reply-To:
    [email hidden] NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.7a X-Server-
    Date: 9 Mar 2001 06:11:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free
    Agent 1.1/32.230

    I have just received the following e-mail from Steve
    Conlon. As you can see from the first lines, Mr. Conlon
    will not read my response, but you all will.

    In the e-mail from Steve you will read that in Jack
    Vernon's opinion, Steve Conlon's tinnitus is "so severe
    and incapacitating as to justify any consideration you
    [the court] can afford him." I will not argue with Jack.
    He's entitled to his opinion. What I will tell the
    Administrative Law Judge next week is the absolute truth:

    #1 Jack Vernon never examined Steve Conlon; rather he
    #relied upon the
    findings of somebdy else who - based upon those same
    findings - did not offer a letter in support of Steve's
    disability application.

    #2 In view of the absence of any tinnitus reliability
    #testing, I (as
    a Doctor of Medicine) could not draw the same conclusion
    as Jack Vernon (a psychologist) did.

    #3 In support of #2 above, I will offer as an exhibit
    #weeks and weeks
    of public Internet postings by Steve Conlon, demonstrating
    focused attention (when motivated) for several hours at a
    time over several consecutive days. Based upon that
    evidence, I will challenge the vocational rehab expert
    assigned to the case to explain why Mr. Conlon could not
    participate in "Significant Gainful Employment" according
    to at least one accepted definition of that concept.

    #4 I will point out to the judge that Mr. Conlon has
    #threatened me
    and has stated he will "stop at nothing" to stop me. I
    will point out to the judge that if Mr. Conlon had decided
    to get a job instead of "stopping at nothing" that none of
    this would be happening in the first place.

    #5 I will point out to the judge that I, as well as
    #every single
    taxpayer, pays into the system that will be henceforth
    paying a weekly check to this man with ABILITY that he
    CHOOSES not to use, in addition to whatever DISability he
    might have. I will explain that my disgust as a US
    taxpayer is the basis for my request for re-assessment of
    the case.

    #6 Finally, I will point out that Mr. Conlon in some five
    #years of
    "suffering" with tinnitus (already receiving disability
    checks for a few years from one carrier based upon his
    tinnitus) has never made an appointment at the universally
    respected University tinnitus center (NON-TRT) that Dr.
    Vernon himsef founded to see if he might find an avenue
    towards relief and return to the workforce. I will point
    out that while Mr. Conlon did not choose to travel to
    Oregon, he did choose to take several vacations to the
    Carolina coast.

    #7 I will tell the judge that as an American and as a
    #taxpayer I will
    certainly respct the judge's decision upon his
    reassessment of the case, but that I felt it my obligation
    as a taxpayer to supply some additional information that
    might not have been available to the judge at the time of
    his initial evaluation.

    Steve, in case you do happen to be reading this post, you
    have publicly maligned and viciously slandered me. You
    have called me a LIAR, but I do not lie. You have publicly
    called me a schizophrenic psychotic [censored] shill who
    should not be treating tinnitus patients. You have
    threatened me. And THEN, you went outside this newsgroup
    and wrote two highly inflammatory letters about me to the
    American Tinnitus Association (the not-for-profit
    orgnization whose Board I am honored to Chair) ... and one
    highly inflammatory letter to my closest friend in the
    tinnitus community, Dr. Jack Vernon. Steve, you have taken
    our differences outside of this newsgroup ... and now I
    shall do the same.

    Stephen M. Nagler, M.D.

    PSA

  3. (Greg) said:

    OK. The only thing that I learned from this post of Dr.
    Nagler is that he has strong moral beliefs about social
    security aid. Everything he states seems very reasonable
    and I don't see what's so 'disturbing' about it.

    ..............

    If I may ...

    My post was written in the heat of a vicious flame war.

    Regardless of what Conlon had done to me (in real life), and
    regardless of the accuracy of my post, I regretted posting
    it. It was unkind.

    Indeed, I apologized both to Conlon and to the
    newsgroup. Moreover, I never carried out my threat. I
    bet whoever copied that post to this thread didn't
    bother to mention that.

    smn

    PS - Conlon subsequently devoted his considerable abilities
    into filling ast for two years with unbelievable filth
    under several nicks.

  4. On Sat, 08 May 2004 17:41:26 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 8 May 2004 10:12:41 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Greg) said:

    OK. The only thing that I learned from this post of Dr.
    Nagler is that he has strong moral beliefs about social
    security aid. Everything he states seems very reasonable
    and I don't see what's so 'disturbing' about it.

    ..............

    If I may ...

    My post was written in the heat of a vicious flame war.

    Regardless of what Conlon had done to me (in real life),
    and regardless of the accuracy of my post, I regretted
    posting it. It was unkind.

    Indeed, I apologized both to Conlon and to the
    newsgroup. Moreover, I never carried out my threat. I
    bet whoever copied that post to this thread didn't
    bother to mention that.

    smn

    PS - Conlon subsequently devoted his considerable abilities
    into filling ast for two years with unbelievable filth
    under several nicks.

    This incident was one of many "unkind" ones that Stephen has
    "apologized for" later over a period of 8 years. It is
    always the other guy that made him do it. He never truly
    accepts responsibility for the control of his own behavior.
    Even in the above post he blames Conlon for his (Stephen's)
    own lack of self-control. He also fails to mention how and
    why he obtained Conlon's social security number and how he
    was able to use information gained from a patient to find
    out who was handling their case for SSD.

    Stephen essentially said the same thing not long ago to a
    woman in this newsgroup about SSD. He then later pretended
    that he was just a little "out-of-sorts" but the reader can
    easily ascertain that he is just plain mean and nasty.

    Read through this thread if you have the stomach to:

    groups.google.comgroups
    8859-
    in%2Bgroup:sci.med.cardiology%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
    8%26oe%3DISO-8859-
    1%26newwindow%3D1%26group%3Dsci.med.cardiology%26safe%3Dof-
    f%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D4083F3B9.208A%2540heartmdphd.com%-
    26rnum%3D1

    or if the link is too long, search sci.med.cardiology for
    "O/T-Sorry for the crossposting".

    Terri

  5. Oh yea. One other thing.

    Terri - likely within the next hour or two you'll be posting
    a response - a response that most will not see (because we
    have killfiled you), and a response that almost all who do
    see will totally discount because you are absolutely blind
    with the self-loathing that drives you to this type of
    thing. A response that one or two will absolutely revel in.

    You live for this..

    Go for it.

    smn

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    Quoted message said:
    Stephen Nagler said:

    On 8 May 2004 10:12:41 -0700, [email hidden]

    (Greg) said:

    OK. The only thing that I learned from this post of Dr.
    Nagler is that he has strong moral beliefs about social
    security aid. Everything he states seems very reasonable
    and I don't see what's so 'disturbing' about it.

    ..............

    If I may ...

    My post was written in the heat of a vicious flame war.

    Regardless of what Conlon had done to me (in real life),
    and regardless of the accuracy of my post, I regretted
    posting it. It was unkind.

    Indeed, I apologized both to Conlon and to the
    newsgroup. Moreover, I never carried out my threat. I
    bet whoever copied that post to this thread didn't
    bother to mention that.

    smn

    PS - Conlon subsequently devoted his considerable
    abilities into filling ast for two years with
    unbelievable filth under several nicks.

    This incident was one of many "unkind" ones that Stephen
    has "apologized for" later over a period of 8 years. It is
    always the other guy that made him do it. He never truly
    accepts responsibility for the control of his own
    behavior. Even in the above post he blames Conlon for his
    (Stephen's) own lack of self-control. He also fails to
    mention how and why he obtained Conlon's social security
    number and how he was able to use information gained from
    a patient to find out who was handling their case for SSD.

    Stephen essentially said the same thing not long ago to a
    woman in this newsgroup about SSD. He then later pretended
    that he was just a little "out-of-sorts" but the reader
    can easily ascertain that he is just plain mean and nasty.

    Read through this thread if you have the stomach to:

    groups.google.comgroups
    8859-
    n%2Bgroup:sci.med.cardiology%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
    8%26oe%3DISO-8859-
    1%26newwindow%3D1%26group%3Dsci.med.cardiology%26safe%3Do-
    ff%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D4083F3B9.208A%2540hea or if the
    link is too long, search sci.med.cardiology for "O/T-Sorry
    for the crossposting".

    Terri

    The Solution:

    Pray for him to be cured *but* until he is cured, it would
    be best to ignore him because it would seem that any
    attention paid to him simply worsens his condition.

    Stephen remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.

    Meanwhile, it remains my choice to ignore him in his
    best interest.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
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    [email hidden] wrote:
    <blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Sat, 08 May 2004 17:41:26 GMT, Stephen Nagler
    <[email hidden]>
    <br>wrote:
    <p>>On 8 May 2004 10:12:41 -0700, [email hidden] (Greg) wrote:
    <br>>
    <br>>>OK. The only thing that I learned from this post of Dr. Nagler is
    that
    <br>>>he has strong moral beliefs about social security aid. Everything
    he
    <br>>>states seems very reasonable and I don't see what's so 'disturbing'
    <br>>>about it.
    <br>>
    <br>>
    <br>>..............
    <br>>
    <br>>If I may ...
    <br>>
    <br>>My post was written in the heat of a vicious flame war.
    <br>>
    <br>>Regardless of what Conlon had done to me (in real life), and
    <br>>regardless of the accuracy of my post, I regretted posting it.
    It was
    <br>>unkind.
    <br>>
    <br>>Indeed, I apologized both to Conlon and to the newsgroup. Moreover,
    I
    <br>>never carried out my threat. I bet whoever copied that post
    to this
    <br>>thread didn't bother to mention that.
    <br>>
    <br>>smn
    <br>>
    <br>>PS - Conlon subsequently devoted his considerable abilities into
    <br>>filling ast for two years with unbelievable filth under several nicks.
    <p>This incident was one of many "unkind" ones that Stephen has
    <br>"apologized for" later over a period of 8 years. It is always
    the
    <br>other guy that made him do it. He never truly accepts responsibility
    <br>for the control of his own behavior. Even in the above post he
    blames
    <br>Conlon for his (Stephen's) own lack of self-control. He also fails
    to
    <br>mention how and why he obtained Conlon's social security number and
    <br>how he was able to use information gained from a patient to find out
    <br>who was handling their case for SSD.
    <p>Stephen essentially said the same thing not long ago to a woman in
    <br>this newsgroup about SSD. He then later pretended that he was
    just a
    <br>little "out-of-sorts" but the reader can easily ascertain that he is
    <br>just plain mean and nasty.
    <p>Read through this thread if you have the stomach to:
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">groups.google.comgroups</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">or
    if the link is too long, search sci.med.cardiology for "O/T-Sorry</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">for
    the crossposting".</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Terri</a></blockquote>

    <p><br>The Solution:
    <p>Pray for him to be cured *but* until he is cured, it would be best to
    ignore him because it would seem that any attention paid to him simply
    worsens his condition.
    <p>Stephen remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
    <p>Meanwhile, it remains my choice to ignore him in his best interest.
    <br> <a href="groups.google.comgroups"></a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Servant
    to the humblest person in the universe,</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Andrew</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">--</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Dr.
    Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Board-Certified
    Cardiologist</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">**</a>
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    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">What
    is all this about?</a>
    <br><a href="groups.google.comgroups">makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com</a>
    <p><a href="groups.google.comgroups">Is
    this spam?</a>
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    <br> </html>

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  7. On Sat, 08 May 2004 18:30:34 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Oh yea. One other thing.

    Terri - likely within the next hour or two you'll be
    posting a response - a response that most will not see
    (because we have killfiled you), and a response that almost
    all who do see will totally discount because you are
    absolutely blind with the self-loathing that drives you to
    this type of thing. A response that one or two will
    absolutely revel in.

    You live for this..

    Go for it.

    smn

    Is that the royal "we", Stephen?

    Terri

  8. Quoted message said:
    Stephen Nagler said:

    Oh yea. One other thing.

    Terri - likely within the next hour or two you'll be
    posting a response - a response that most will not see
    (because we have killfiled you), and a response that
    almost all who do see will totally discount because you
    are absolutely blind with the self-loathing that drives
    you to this type of thing. A response that one or two
    will absolutely revel in.

    You live for this..

    Go for it.

    smn

    Is that the royal "we", Stephen?

    Terri

    In truth, if you stopped responding to Stephen, most folks
    here at SMC (except my poor shadow Pastorio) probably would
    stop knowing that he is still hanging out here.

    Nonetheless, he remains in my prayers to God, in
    Christ's name.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  9. (h1clock) said:

    Steve, in case you do happen to be reading this post, you
    have publicly maligned and viciously slandered me. You have
    called me a LIAR, but I do not lie.

    Another lie from a liar.

    Leaving anytime soon, Nagler? NO? Lied about that too.
    antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap960222.html Lift well,
    Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

  10. On Sat, 08 May 2004 17:41:26 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    If I may ...

    My post was written in the heat of a vicious flame war.

    Doesn't make it any less vicious and personally
    denigrating of you.

    Quoted message said:

    Regardless of what Conlon had done to me (in real life),
    and regardless of the accuracy of my post, I regretted
    posting it. It was unkind.

    It was plain stupid to the nth degree but you have a Usenet
    history chock full of stupidity, lies and miscreant TROLL
    behaviors.

    Quoted message said:

    Indeed, I apologized both to Conlon and to the newsgroup.
    Moreover, I never carried out my threat.

    yippee for you. You chose not to go to jail.

    Quoted message said:

    I bet whoever copied that post to this thread didn't
    bother to mention that.

    Why should they? why should we believe you, a confirmed
    liar? antwrp.gsfc.nasa.govap960222.html Lift
    well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

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