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  1. I am getting tired of my toe straps and am considering making the move to clipless.

    I see that places like Nashbar and Performance bike have their own brand pedals--at much lower prices than Shimano, etc.

    My questions are:

    What are the functional/quality differences between Brand Name and Store brand clipless pedals

    If I buy Shimanos, Look, etc, am I just paying more for the name, or are there clear quality differences between brand name pedals and store brand pedals.

    What things should I look for in a clipless pedal?

    My riding style is quite varied, I commute a couple of days to work--although most of my commute is via a bike trail--so limited stoplights, but am making it a goal to do more errands and everyday stuff on my bike(so I will be riding in traffic).
    I also go for longer 30-50 mile rides regularily.

    Becuase of the errands or everyday stuff, I am looking at getting clipless pedals that also have a standard platform so I can use regular shoes for short trips and can ride out of the bindings when I am in traffic. I am also looking for more mountain bike-style shoes (ones that can actually function as normal-looking shoes)

    Any adivice or thoughs.

  2. In many cases, stems, seatposts, platform pedals and other super-rudimentary components are good candidates for generic labels -- depending on your needs, they can be a great way to shave bucks off your budget.

    Clipless pedals, though, are an area where you should be a touch more careful. How well a clipless pedal functions depends on the quality of the design (generic models are generally clones of Shimano or Look designs), as well as the quality of the construction and the materials used -- and the poorer the function of those mechanisms, the greater the chance you run into serious problems with ergonomics and safety.

    A well-designed pedal, in addition to being reasonable in weight, should offer the following to satisfactory degrees:

    - Ease of entry. How tricky is it to find the mechanism with your foot, and once you're there, is engaging the clip a clean action? Or is it overly resistant, tough to predict, or sloppy-feeling?

    - Security. Once you're engaged, does the pedal permit you to perform normal maneuvers without fear of popping out?

    - Ease of exit. Is there a deliberate, simple and ergonomically sound way to get your foot out, quickly, when needed?

    - Float, and other ergonomic issues. Does the pedal permit your body to move naturally, or is it restricting your biomechanics in some way? Most modern pedals offer some level of "float," or rotational ability -- imagine your foot pivoting left and right on the pedal. For most people, some float is essential to knee and leg comfort. Some systems, like old SPD formats, offer very little, and many self-center themselves with stiff spring-action. Others, like Speedplay, make wide, free-float a priority. A few models (Time comes to mind) offer some lateral float.

    The size of the "platform" is often debated as well -- arguably, a supportive design will see your sole fixed to a large, long total unit when the pedal is engaged. Most contemporary road models satisfy this concern.

    Ok, back to generics. Most of the house-models from Nashbar, Performance, Supergo and the like simply aren't the best at providing the above standards -- well, at least. Most, including those built into full-sized platforms, utilize a simplified Shimano SPD variant, and don't do it too well.

    I'm generalizing here, because these stores sell a wide-range of house-branded pedals, but expect ease of entry, ease of exit, security and float to be a touch sketchy with many examples.

    They're great as a low-cost, all-purpose solution for that commuter-bike, or that around-town beater or light trail rig, but if you're regularly doing longer rides, you might want to consider investing a tad more in a better model...

    Good luck!

  3. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by libbym78


    Becuase of the errands or everyday stuff, I am looking at getting clipless pedals that also have a standard platform so I can use regular shoes for short trips and can ride out of the bindings when I am in traffic. I am also looking for more mountain bike-style shoes (ones that can actually function as normal-looking shoes)

    Any adivice or thoughs.

    In that case, I'd recommend the Crank Brothers Eggbeater line of pedals. The Mallet and Candy offer a platform that functions well sans cleats. They also have a dual sided design making engagement much easier.

    They also allow one to use the more walkable MTB style shoe.

    I have Eggbeaters on my MTB, Fixed and Singlespeed. The roadie retains its Look pedals.

  4. One other thing to consider with Nashbar and Performance pedals is the cleats might not be standard Shimano, and therefore only available from the place you bought the pedals. If you use name brand pedals you can get cleats at almost any bike store.

  5. Thanks For the info, I have some more questions now, though.

    How much float is usually necessary? I see some Shimanos with 4 degrees of rotation, Crank Brothers with 6 degrees and then some that jump to 20 degrees.

    Also, how does shoe, cleat, pedal compatibility work? Are Crank Bros pedals and cleats compatible with Shimano shoes, etc?

    MIKE

  6. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by libbym78
    How much float is usually necessary? I see some Shimanos with 4 degrees of rotation, Crank Brothers with 6 degrees and then some that jump to 20 degrees.


    Well, float, unfortunately, is a very personal thing. Nearly everyone agrees that some float is important, but there's a lot of disagreement about the best sort. I'm a float junkie, so my preference is for Speedplay -- the Speedplay X-Series provide what is essentially unlimited, non-centering float, and the slightly costlier Zero version offers adjustable float from 0 degrees to (I believe) 15 degrees. Both are excellent, but tough to recommend for casual use... the cleat is enormous and tough to walk on.

    Pedals with less float, and with spring-loaded (or self-centering) float, are less comfy in my opinion, but plenty of riders would disagree with me on that. Again, it's about preference and personal ergonomics.

    Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by libbym78
    Also, how does shoe, cleat, pedal compatibility work? Are Crank Bros pedals and cleats compatible with Shimano shoes, etc?


    Cleat compatability is unbending where pedals are concerned -- always use the specified cleat with the specified pedal. Luckily, all but the cheapest designs are sold with the appropriate cleat. If you're using a generic liscensed design, use what they tell you to.

    Shoe compatibility, on the other hand, is much broader and much more forgiving. Nowadays, most prominent shoes are compatibile with most major pedals... but always check with either the pedal manufacturer, the shoe manufacturer, or a dealer you trust if you're unsure.

    Good luck.

  7. I'm a Speedplay guy, too, but I previously used Look (red cleats) and Performance Forte pedals, which worked well, and weigh less than almost all the big-name pedals!

    Weight is always the first thing I look at (then price).

  8. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by libbym78

    I am looking at getting clipless pedals that also have a standard platform so I can use regular shoes for short trips and can ride out of the bindings when I am in traffic. I am also looking for more mountain bike-style shoes (ones that can actually function as normal-looking shoes)

    Any adivice or thoughs.

    Shimano PD-M324s introduce a standard platform. They're durable and sturdy pedals - quite heavy though. The platform side turns up by default; this feature might get some time to get used to.

  9. If you use a mountain bike type of pedal (SPD compatible) with a recessed cleat, you can buy casual shoes that are SPD compatible.They're easy to walk around in and don't look "weird" when you're off the bike. They even make sandals now. This way you don't need a "platform" type of clipless pedal. I have a pair of shoes made by Cannondale with Time ATAC cleats that I use for commuting and running errands, etc...

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