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  1. I also saw this on a random google search of Stephen Nagler.
    It would appear that both he and Dr. Chung are very unstable
    'doctors'.

    Be leery of where you take any medical advice from.

    h1

    <<<<<<<<<Capt Ron,

    The courts are pretty clear on this. My reading of the
    archives is that Dr Nagler commented on the contents of
    your chart. To be precise, he stated, " And if Mr. Yoli
    chooses to make it the business of this board and
    starts posting passages from it here on ast, then he
    can be sure I will return the favor - it's all on disk.
    Very easy to do. And believe me - it ain't pretty." The
    other day, and please correct me if I am wrong, he
    called you an alcoholic. I have to wonder if your
    records contained something regarding liking to toss a
    few back after a rough day at sea, and he might have
    considered any discussion of your drinking to form the
    opinion that you had a drinking problem. Pure
    speculation on my part.

    Any doctor that would do this, I believe should come under
    scrutiny. I'd find out where the law stands on this and how
    the GA
    Medical Licensing Board feels about all this. They can be
    reached at:

    Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Attn: Ms. Gladys
    Henderson, Complaints Unit 2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 10th
    Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487 FX: (404)
    656-9723 [email hidden]

    No Dr Nagler, none of this has been funny at all.

    IN THE SUPREME COURT

    STATE OF GEORGIA

    CASE NO. S99A1490

    REBECCA LYNN KING, Appellant,

    v.

    STATE OF GEORGIA, Appellee.

    BRIEF OF AMICUS THE MEDICAL ASSOCIATION OF GEORGIA

    I. IDENTIFICATION AND INTEREST OF AMICUS

    Amicus the Medical Association of Georgia ("MAG"😉 submits
    this brief in response to this Court's Order of May 1, 2000.
    MAG appreciates the request for its input and the
    opportunity to be of assistance to the Court.

    MAG is a non-profit, voluntary professional association
    of Georgia physicians. MAG was founded in 1849, is
    affiliated with the American Medical Association and is
    the largest physicians' association in Georgia.
    Presently, MAG has over 7,500 members - more than 5,000
    of whom are physicians actively practicing medicine in
    the State of Georgia. MAG is an active advocate for
    Georgia physicians and their patients. While the issues
    under review by this Court present serious concerns for
    physicians and how they practice medicine in Georgia, the
    issues are far more important to Georgia patients.
    Indeed, the policy concerns that underlie the historical
    right to privacy in medical records focus on obtaining
    the best possible treatment for patients and underscore
    the importance of these issues to patients.

    The interest of MAG in this issue is (1) to protect the well-
    established privacy interests of patients in physician-
    patient relationships and the records arising out of those
    relationships; and, (2) to promote adoption of a clear-cut
    and easily applied test for the production of medical
    records in response to a subpoena that protects the privacy
    rights described above, allows physicians to respond
    appropriately to such subpoenas without risk of liability,
    and protects the legitimate interests of the State and
    private party litigants in obtaining such records in an
    appropriate case.

    In undertaking this analysis, MAG has attempted to go beyond
    the positions taken and authorities cited by the parties and
    the Georgia Hospital Association in its previously filed
    amicus brief in the belief that reiteration of previous
    arguments and analysis will be of little use to the Court.

    II. SUMMARY OF ANALYSIS

    There is a customary and common law right of confidentiality
    or privacy in the physician-patient relationship and in the
    medical records emanating from this unique relationship. The
    right of confidentiality is steeped in the history of
    western civilization and founded on sound public policy that
    should not be abrogated. This right, and the policy on which
    it is based, dates back to the time of Hippocrates as
    recognized both in federal and Georgia caselaw.

    There is also a constitutional right to privacy in medical
    records. There is a well-established right to privacy in
    medical records under the due process clause of the federal
    constitution. That substantive federal constitutional right
    carries with it a procedural right to notice and a right to
    be heard before one's medical records are produced. The
    existence of that federal constitutional right of privacy in
    medical records is important for two reasons. First, a
    federal constitutional right to privacy must be enforced by
    this Court under the Supremacy Clause and binding precedent
    from the United States Supreme Court, whether or not such a
    right exists under the state constitution. Second, this
    Court has repeatedly held that the privacy right in the
    Georgia Constitution is broader and affords greater
    protection to the privacy rights of individuals than its
    federal counterpart. Thus, the existence of privacy
    protection for medical records under the federal
    constitution necessarily implies that such protection exists
    under the broader Georgia constitutional privacy right.

    Finally, even aside from the ample federal authority
    establishing a constitutional right to privacy in medical
    records and implying the existence of such a right under the
    Georgia Constitution, there is Georgia authority not cited
    by either party or in the now-vacated opinion(s) that
    supports such a right under the Georgia Constitution. A
    right to privacy in medical records exists under both the
    Georgia and the federal constitution.

    As this Court has held, the right to privacy is a
    fundamental right. Thus, once the existence of a
    constitutional privacy right in medical records is
    established, the proper test to be applied to a statute
    limiting that right is whether the limitation serves a
    compelling state interest and is narrowly tailored to
    effectuate only that compelling interest. Unless O.C.G.A. §
    24-9-40 is construed so as to require notice to patients and
    an opportunity to be heard before the production of medical
    records pursuant to subpoena, then these statutes are not
    narrowly tailored to effectuate only the compelling state
    interest. That conclusion is mandated by a comparison to
    O.C.G.A. § 9-11-34(c), which governs requests for production
    of medical records. Section 9-11-34(c) is a model of
    procedural due process, requiring notice, a chance to
    object, and judicial resolution of objections before medical
    records are produced. The same safeguards could easily have
    been incorporated into O.C.G.A. § 24-9-40. Because § 9-11-
    34(c) serves the same compelling interest but is more
    narrowly drawn to protect the same privacy right, it is
    clear that O.C.G.A. § 24-9-40 is not narrowly drawn to
    protect the fundamental privacy right in medical records.
    This constitutional defect must be remedied, either by
    striking down the statute and awaiting legislative
    correction of the deficiencies, or by judicially requiring
    notice and an opportunity to be heard upon all subpoenas for
    medical records, perhaps under the aegis of defining an
    "appropriate" subpoena as suggested by now-vacated
    concurrence of Justice Carley.

    III. ANALYSIS AND CITATION OF AUTHORITY

    A. The Right To Confidentiality In The Physician-Patient
    Relationship Is Venerable And Founded In Sound Policy
    Considerations

    One of the medical profession's chief ethical obligations is
    to hold in confidence all patient information acquired
    during the course of treatment. For over two thousand years,
    the Hippocratic Oath has called upon physicians to maintain
    the confidentiality of patient information. The translation
    of the Hippocratic oath adopted by MAG states as to
    confidentiality that:

    [B]hatever, in connection with my professional service,
    or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the
    life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I
    will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be
    kept secret.

    Caselaw recognizes that the Hippocratic oath imposes a duty
    on physicians to maintain the privacy of their patients. See
    e.g. Orr v. Sievert, 162 Ga. App. 677, 292 S.E.2d 548 (1982)
    ("because of the Hippocratic oath . . . a doctor has a
    professional and contractual duty to protect the privacy of
    his clients."😉; Hammonds v. Aetna Casualty & Surety Co., 243
    F. Supp. 793, 801 (N.D. Ohio 1965) ("Almost every member of
    the public is aware of the promise of discretion contained
    in the Hippocratic Oath, and every patient has a right to
    rely upon this warranty of silence."😉.

    <snip>>>>>>>>>

  2. On 6 May 2004 12:15:57 -0700, [email hidden] (h1clock) wrote (in
    part):

    Quoted message said:

    Be leery of where you take any medical advice from.

    ...............

    ... which is the only thing of value that you have written
    on this subject, Terri.

    smn

  3. On Thu, 06 May 2004 21:22:34 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On 6 May 2004 12:15:57 -0700, [email hidden] (h1clock)
    wrote (in part):

    Quoted message said:

    Be leery of where you take any medical advice from.

    ...............

    ... which is the only thing of value that you have written
    on this subject, Terri.

    smn

    I hate to disappoint you, Stephen, but I certainly have no
    reason to post comments under any other name since this one
    works just fine.

    Terri

  4. Quoted message said:


    Stephen Nagler said:

    On 6 May 2004 12:15:57 -0700, [email hidden] (h1clock)
    wrote (in part):

    Quoted message said:

    Be leery of where you take any medical advice from.

    ...............

    ... which is the only thing of value that you have
    written on this subject, Terri.

    smn

    I hate to disappoint you, Stephen, but I certainly have no
    reason to post comments under any other name since this
    one works just fine.

    Terri

    Poor guy. His vision is blurring all who would oppose him
    into one person.

    He remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.

    May he accept Christ as his personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that he too will be more discerning and wise.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  5. [email hidden] (h1clock) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I also saw this on a random google search of Stephen
    Nagler. It would appear that both he and Dr. Chung are
    very unstable 'doctors'.

    Wait till you run into those who are truly "unstable" and
    you will discover how sane these two doctors are.

    FP
    ===================================

    Quoted message said:


    Be leery of where you take any medical advice from.

    h1

    <<<<<<<<<Capt Ron,

    The courts are pretty clear on this. My reading of
    the archives is that Dr Nagler commented on the
    contents of your chart. To be precise, he stated, "
    And if Mr. Yoli chooses to make it the business of
    this board and starts posting passages from it here
    on ast, then he can be sure I will return the favor -
    it's all on disk. Very easy to do. And believe me -
    it ain't pretty." The other day, and please correct
    me if I am wrong, he called you an alcoholic. I have
    to wonder if your records contained something
    regarding liking to toss a few back after a rough day
    at sea, and he might have considered any discussion
    of your drinking to form the opinion that you had a
    drinking problem. Pure speculation on my part.

    Any doctor that would do this, I believe should come under
    scrutiny. I'd find out where the law stands on this and how
    the GA
    Medical Licensing Board feels about all this. They can be
    reached at:

    Composite State Board of Medical Examiners Attn: Ms.
    Gladys Henderson, Complaints Unit 2 Peachtree Street,
    N.W., 10th Floor Atlanta, Georgia 30303 PH: (404) 657-6487
    FX: (404) 656-9723 [email hidden]

    No Dr Nagler, none of this has been funny at all.

    IN THE SUPREME COURT

    STATE OF GEORGIA

    CASE NO. S99A1490

    REBECCA LYNN KING, Appellant,

    v.

    STATE OF GEORGIA, Appellee.

    BRIEF OF AMICUS THE MEDICAL ASSOCIATION OF GEORGIA

    I. IDENTIFICATION AND INTEREST OF AMICUS

    Amicus the Medical Association of Georgia ("MAG"😉 submits
    this brief in response to this Court's Order of May 1,
    2000. MAG appreciates the request for its input and the
    opportunity to be of assistance to the Court.

    MAG is a non-profit, voluntary professional association of
    Georgia physicians. MAG was founded in 1849, is affiliated
    with the American Medical Association and is the largest
    physicians' association in Georgia. Presently, MAG has
    over 7,500 members - more than 5,000 of whom are
    physicians actively practicing medicine in the State of
    Georgia. MAG is an active advocate for Georgia physicians
    and their patients. While the issues under review by this
    Court present serious concerns for physicians and how they
    practice medicine in Georgia, the issues are far more
    important to Georgia patients. Indeed, the policy concerns
    that underlie the historical right to privacy in medical
    records focus on obtaining the best possible treatment for
    patients and underscore the importance of these issues to
    patients.

    The interest of MAG in this issue is (1) to protect the
    well-established privacy interests of patients in physician-
    patient relationships and the records arising out of those
    relationships; and, (2) to promote adoption of a clear-cut
    and easily applied test for the production of medical
    records in response to a subpoena that protects the
    privacy rights described above, allows physicians to
    respond appropriately to such subpoenas without risk of
    liability, and protects the legitimate interests of the
    State and private party litigants in obtaining such
    records in an appropriate case.

    In undertaking this analysis, MAG has attempted to go
    beyond the positions taken and authorities cited by the
    parties and the Georgia Hospital Association in its
    previously filed amicus brief in the belief that
    reiteration of previous arguments and analysis will be of
    little use to the Court.

    II. SUMMARY OF ANALYSIS

    There is a customary and common law right of
    confidentiality or privacy in the physician-patient
    relationship and in the medical records emanating from
    this unique relationship. The right of confidentiality is
    steeped in the history of western civilization and founded
    on sound public policy that should not be abrogated. This
    right, and the policy on which it is based, dates back to
    the time of Hippocrates as recognized both in federal and
    Georgia caselaw.

    There is also a constitutional right to privacy in medical
    records. There is a well-established right to privacy in
    medical records under the due process clause of the
    federal constitution. That substantive federal
    constitutional right carries with it a procedural right to
    notice and a right to be heard before one's medical
    records are produced. The existence of that federal
    constitutional right of privacy in medical records is
    important for two reasons. First, a federal constitutional
    right to privacy must be enforced by this Court under the
    Supremacy Clause and binding precedent from the United
    States Supreme Court, whether or not such a right exists
    under the state constitution. Second, this Court has
    repeatedly held that the privacy right in the Georgia
    Constitution is broader and affords greater protection to
    the privacy rights of individuals than its federal
    counterpart. Thus, the existence of privacy protection for
    medical records under the federal constitution necessarily
    implies that such protection exists under the broader
    Georgia constitutional privacy right.

    Finally, even aside from the ample federal authority
    establishing a constitutional right to privacy in medical
    records and implying the existence of such a right under
    the Georgia Constitution, there is Georgia authority not
    cited by either party or in the now-vacated opinion(s)
    that supports such a right under the Georgia Constitution.
    A right to privacy in medical records exists under both
    the Georgia and the federal constitution.

    As this Court has held, the right to privacy is a
    fundamental right. Thus, once the existence of a
    constitutional privacy right in medical records is
    established, the proper test to be applied to a statute
    limiting that right is whether the limitation serves a
    compelling state interest and is narrowly tailored to
    effectuate only that compelling interest. Unless O.C.G.A.
    § 24-9-40 is construed so as to require notice to patients
    and an opportunity to be heard before the production of
    medical records pursuant to subpoena, then these statutes
    are not narrowly tailored to effectuate only the
    compelling state interest. That conclusion is mandated by
    a comparison to O.C.G.A. § 9-11-34(c), which governs
    requests for production of medical records. Section 9-11-
    34(c) is a model of procedural due process, requiring
    notice, a chance to object, and judicial resolution of
    objections before medical records are produced. The same
    safeguards could easily have been incorporated into
    O.C.G.A. § 24-9-40. Because § 9-11-34(c) serves the same
    compelling interest but is more narrowly drawn to protect
    the same privacy right, it is clear that O.C.G.A. § 24-9-
    40 is not narrowly drawn to protect the fundamental
    privacy right in medical records. This constitutional
    defect must be remedied, either by striking down the
    statute and awaiting legislative correction of the
    deficiencies, or by judicially requiring notice and an
    opportunity to be heard upon all subpoenas for medical
    records, perhaps under the aegis of defining an
    "appropriate" subpoena as suggested by now-vacated
    concurrence of Justice Carley.

    III. ANALYSIS AND CITATION OF AUTHORITY

    A. The Right To Confidentiality In The Physician-
    Patient Relationship Is Venerable And Founded In
    Sound Policy Considerations

    One of the medical profession's chief ethical obligations
    is to hold in confidence all patient information acquired
    during the course of treatment. For over two thousand
    years, the Hippocratic Oath has called upon physicians to
    maintain the confidentiality of patient information. The
    translation of the Hippocratic oath adopted by MAG states
    as to confidentiality that:

    [w]hatever, in connection with my professional service,
    or not in connection with it, I see or hear, in the
    life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I
    will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be
    kept secret.

    Caselaw recognizes that the Hippocratic oath imposes a
    duty on physicians to maintain the privacy of their
    patients. See e.g. Orr v. Sievert, 162 Ga. App. 677, 292
    S.E.2d 548 (1982) ("because of the Hippocratic oath . . .
    a doctor has a professional and contractual duty to
    protect the privacy of his clients."😉; Hammonds v. Aetna
    Casualty & Surety Co., 243 F. Supp. 793, 801 (N.D. Ohio
    1965) ("Almost every member of the public is aware of the
    promise of discretion contained in the Hippocratic Oath,
    and every patient has a right to rely upon this warranty
    of silence."😉.

    <snip>>>>>>>>>

  6. francispoon said:


    Wait till you run into those who are truly "unstable" and
    you will discover how sane these two doctors are.

    Yeah. Frightening. Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root canal.

  7. liaM <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    francispoon said:


    Wait till you run into those who are truly "unstable"
    and you will discover how sane these two doctors are.

    Yeah. Frightening. Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    canal.

    Now, now, liaM.

    Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from Stephen.

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder* Now, may
    Christ banish this image from your mind and heal you of
    any psychological trauma that you may have suffered from
    this image.

    Stephen remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.

    May he accept Christ as his personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that he too will know the peace and quiet that
    comes from God's eternal kingdom.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  8. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    canal.

    Now, now, liaM.

    Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from
    Stephen.

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives maimed
    and ruined..

    Quoted message said:

    Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and heal
    you of any psychological trauma that you may have suffered
    from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in time to
    cast him out of office in November !

    liaM Buddhist Activist

  9. liaM said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    canal.

    Now, now, liaM.

    Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from
    Stephen.

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives maimed
    and ruined..

    Quoted message said:

    Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and heal
    you of any psychological trauma that you may have
    suffered from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in time
    to cast him out of office in November !

    liaM Buddhist Activist

    ...............

    liaM -

    I have had to add Chung to my killfile list. Please do not
    quote his [censored] in your posts.

    But as for this one - I'm glad you did!!!!

    Chung's been whining and whining to the police -
    robbey/homocide bureau (they call it "Crimes against
    Persons"😉 no less - complaining about me. More than half-a
    dozen calls.nnHe has been told by them time and time again
    that I have not even come close to violating any laws. But
    still he calls them. Finally - sick of him - a detective
    called me and asked me to do him a favor and stop responding
    to Chung so that he would stop bugging them with this [censored]
    and allow them to get on with their work.

    If he calls the police again, I am sure that they be REAL
    interested in his reference to me that you quoted above.

    What a complete [censored]! Chung's momma probably won't let
    him hide behind her skirts anymore - so he's had to find
    refuge in the police, who don't want to have anything to do
    with him either.

    Poor guy.

    smn

  10. liaM said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    canal.

    Now, now, liaM.

    Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from
    Stephen.

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?

    There are many who value efficiency. This hardly defines
    obsession. Has
    Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone as a consequence of this
    obsession?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives maimed
    and ruined..

    Ok, then imagine the scenario of Stephen running this
    country instead of President Bush.

    When someone disagrees with him:

    "You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your ears
    screaming at 100 dB,but not before your buddies in the penal
    institution intowhich you are undoubtedly headed knock your
    teeth out and then over and over and over again teach you
    the only thing your vile mouth is good for"

    In *any* context, this will go over real well for starting
    wars on every front.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and
    heal you of any psychological trauma that you may have
    suffered from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in time
    to cast him out of office in November !

    May God's will be done in Christ's name.

    Quoted message said:


    liaM Buddhist Activist

    Isn't that an oxymoron?

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    **
    Who is the humblest person in the universe?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    What is all this about?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

    Is this spam?
    makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

  11. On Sun, 09 May 2004 15:23:55 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    liaM said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM ...

    Quoted message said:

    >Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    >Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    > canal.

    Now, now, liaM.

    Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from
    Stephen.

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?

    Quoted message said:

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives maimed
    and ruined..

    Quoted message said:

    Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and
    heal you of any psychological trauma that you may have
    suffered from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in time
    to cast him out of office in November !

    liaM Buddhist Activist

    ...............

    liaM -

    I have had to add Chung to my killfile list. Please do not
    quote his [censored] in your posts.

    But as for this one - I'm glad you did!!!!

    Chung's been whining and whining to the police -
    robbey/homocide bureau (they call it "Crimes against
    Persons"😉 no less - complaining about me. More than half-a
    dozen calls.nnHe has been told by them time and time again
    that I have not even come close to violating any laws. But
    still he calls them. Finally - sick of him - a detective
    called me and asked me to do him a favor and stop
    responding to Chung so that he would stop bugging them with
    this [censored] and allow them to get on with their work.

    If he calls the police again, I am sure that they be REAL
    interested in his reference to me that you quoted above.

    What a complete [censored]! Chung's momma probably won't let
    him hide behind her skirts anymore - so he's had to find
    refuge in the police, who don't want to have anything to do
    with him either.

    Poor guy.

    smn

    You've really made the "hiding behind momma's skirts"
    reference as an insult too many times, Stephen --and on
    Mother's Day, nonetheless. Is this some Freudian slip or do
    you just need some new material?

    How many times have you contacted the police or other
    authorities, employers, etc. on peoples' postings on
    usenet? Don't answer now -- you have me killfiled, too (or
    so you say).

    Terri

  12. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?


    There are many who value efficiency. This hardly defines
    obsession. Has
    Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone as a consequence of this
    obsession?

    Who's being hounded in Guantanamo and Irak... subjected to
    extremes of

    without a lawyer and otherwise protected by the rule
    of law ???

    Who could be just some young kid picked up on the street
    looking suspicious ?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives maimed
    and ruined..

    Ok, then imagine the scenario of Stephen running this
    country instead of President Bush.

    When someone disagrees with him:

    "You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your ears
    screaming at 100 dB,but not before your buddies in the
    penal institution intowhich you are undoubtedly headed
    knock your teeth out and then over and over and over again
    teach you the only thing your vile mouth is good for"

    I agree. You've nailed Bush and Nagler exactly as they are.
    They are flighty and heartless people who go on witch-hunts
    and wage wars on whims and impulse.. Who spy and scheme and
    will take a welfare check from someone just because of they
    have suspicions and in general think people are free-loaders
    (and meanwhile cheat and lie in their own business in order
    to make a profit).

    I have kill-filed Nagler long ago; and will do the same to
    George W. in November !

    Quoted message said:

    In *any* context, this will go over real well for starting
    wars on every front.

    liaM

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and heal
    you of any psychological trauma that you may have
    suffered from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in time
    to cast him out of office in November !

    May God's will be done in Christ's name.

    Quoted message said:

    liaM Buddhist Activist

    Isn't that an oxymoron?

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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  13. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Stephen Nagler said:
    liaM said:

    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > liaM ...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>Imagine being in a dentist's chair with
    >>Dr. Rumsfeld and Nurse Bush about to give you a root
    >> canal.
    >
    > Now, now, liaM.
    >
    > Mr. Rumsfeld and President Bush have not exhibited the
    > obsessive behaviors that seem to be coming from
    > Stephen.

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?

    > Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    > cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives
    maimed and ruined..

    > Now, may Christ banish this image from your mind and
    > heal you of any psychological trauma that you may have
    > suffered from this image.

    May each one of us wake up to the bloody image of this
    president's glaring disregard of American values, in
    time to cast him out of office in November !

    liaM Buddhist Activist

    ...............

    liaM -

    I have had to add Chung to my killfile list. Please do
    not quote his [censored] in your posts.

    But as for this one - I'm glad you did!!!!

    Chung's been whining and whining to the police -
    robbey/homocide bureau (they call it "Crimes against
    Persons"😉 no less - complaining about me. More than half-
    a dozen calls.nnHe has been told by them time and time
    again that I have not even come close to violating any
    laws. But still he calls them. Finally - sick of him -
    a detective called me and asked me to do him a favor
    and stop responding to Chung so that he would stop
    bugging them with this [censored] and allow them to get on
    with their work.

    If he calls the police again, I am sure that they be REAL
    interested in his reference to me that you quoted above.

    What a complete [censored]! Chung's momma probably won't let
    him hide behind her skirts anymore - so he's had to find
    refuge in the police, who don't want to have anything to
    do with him either.

    Poor guy.

    smn

    You've really made the "hiding behind momma's skirts"
    reference as an insult too many times, Stephen --and on
    Mother's Day, nonetheless. Is this some Freudian slip or
    do you just need some new material?

    In a word:

    Desperation.

    Quoted message said:

    How many times have you contacted the police or other
    authorities, employers, etc. on peoples' postings on
    usenet? Don't answer now -- you have me killfiled, too (or
    so you say).

    Terri

    The bigger question:

    Why are the police still investigating him despite his
    earlier claims to the contrary?

    Stephen remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.

    May he accept Christ as his personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that he too might be forgiven of all his
    trespasses against others.

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    Andrew

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  14. liaM said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    liaM wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Rumsfeld's ossession with efficiency to the point of
    treating people like slaughterhouse cattle ?


    There are many who value efficiency. This hardly defines
    obsession. Has
    Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone as a consequence of this
    obsession?

    Who's being hounded in Guantanamo and Irak... subjected to
    extremes of

    Quoted message said:

    without a lawyer and otherwise protected by the rule
    of law ???

    The question again is: Has Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone as a
    consequence of this "obsession"?

    Quoted message said:


    Who could be just some young kid picked up on the street
    looking suspicious ?

    Or could be someone on a suicide bombing mission.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    >Now, imagine being on the operating table with Stephen
    >cutting on you as a colorectal surgeon. *shudder*

    That's not 1,000,000 times as frightening as Bush's
    starting a process which will cost that many lives
    maimed and ruined..

    Ok, then imagine the scenario of Stephen running this
    country instead of President Bush.

    When someone disagrees with him:

    "You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your
    ears screaming at 100 dB,but not before your buddies in
    the penal institution intowhich you are undoubtedly
    headed knock your teeth out and then over and over and
    over again teach you the only thing your vile mouth is
    good for"

    I agree. You've nailed Bush and Nagler exactly as they
    are. They are flighty and heartless people who go on witch-
    hunts and wage wars on whims and impulse.. Who spy and
    scheme and will take a welfare check from someone just
    because of they have suspicions and in general think
    people are free-loaders (and meanwhile cheat and lie in
    their own business in order to make a profit).

    The quote comes from Stephen and *not* President Bush.

    Quoted message said:


    I have kill-filed Nagler long ago;

    Good for you.

    Quoted message said:

    and will do the same to George W. in November !

    That would be your choice. Be thankful to God that our
    soldiers have paid for this choice with their lives.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will know eternal life, the
    limitless riches and peace of His kingdom.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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  15. Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    The question again is: Has Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone as
    a consequence of this "obsession"?

    Yes. He and his ilk are stalking any poor guy that looks
    arab and ain't American.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Who could be just some young kid picked up on the street
    looking suspicious ?

    Or could be someone on a suicide bombing mission.

    Of course a threat is there. But it is not OK to treat non-
    Americans differently than Americans. Not if you believe in
    the Bill of Rights for all peoples in the world. Or at the
    minimum, basic human rights as defined in the UN charter and
    the Geneva Convention.

    liaM

  16. liaM said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    The question again is: Has Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone
    as a consequence of this "obsession"?

    Yes. He and his ilk are stalking any poor guy that looks
    arab and ain't American.

    Did not the suicide-bombers who instigated 9-11 look arab
    (ie were not American)?

    Would it not be wise to do our part to not allow another 9-
    11 incident?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Who could be just some young kid picked up on the street
    looking suspicious ?

    Or could be someone on a suicide bombing mission.

    Of course a threat is there. But it is not OK to treat non-
    Americans differently than Americans.

    Why is that? We would treat folks like Stephen
    differently (hold him at arm's length or farther and
    ignore him) even though he is probably an American. We do
    this *for* anyone who is a threat to either
    himself/herself or the rest of society.

    Quoted message said:

    Not if you believe in the Bill of Rights for all peoples
    in the world.

    There will be one when Christ claims the world. At this
    time, there is no such thing.

    Quoted message said:

    Or at the minimum, basic human rights as defined in the UN
    charter and the Geneva Convention.

    Folks will trespass against each other. That is their sinful
    nature without Christ.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will know how to love everyone
    including those with whom you disagree.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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    Board-Certified Cardiologist
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  17. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
    in article <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    liaM wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

    The question again is: Has Mr. Rumsfeld stalked anyone
    as a consequence of this "obsession"?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes. He and his ilk are stalking any poor guy that looks
    arab and ain't American.

    Quoted message said:

    Did not the suicide-bombers who instigated 9-11 look arab
    (ie were not American)?

    Quoted message said:

    Would it not be wise to do our part to not allow another
    9-11 incident?

    Just as wise as it was in 1942 to round up 70,000 US born
    *American citizens* of *Asian* heritage, along with 40,000
    of their long-time (minimum 18 years) legal US resident
    parents, and ship them off with no hearings, charges, or
    trials, to live for up to three years in desert internment
    camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by military
    police. All because of ethnic stereotyping, political and
    economic motivation, hysteria, and exaggerated claims of
    military necessity to safeguard the West Coast.
    --
    Don [email hidden]

  18. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    liaM said:

    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Did not the suicide-bombers who instigated 9-11 look arab
    (ie were not American)?

    9-11 was "instigated" long before those misguided souls came
    on the scene...

    Quoted message said:

    Would it not be wise to do our part to not allow another
    9-11 incident?

    ...by those who would rape pillage and murder for oil.

    Your soldiers died for oil Andrew. Not some noble idea of
    freedom. Enshrined on a piece of paper and ignored.

    Your soldiers died for oil.

    Zee

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    >Who could be just some young kid picked up on the
    >street looking suspicious ?
    >

    Or could be someone on a suicide bombing mission.

    Of course a threat is there. But it is not OK to treat
    non-Americans differently than Americans.

    Why is that? We would treat folks like Stephen differently
    (hold him at arm's length or farther and ignore him) even
    though he is probably an American. We do this *for* anyone
    who is a threat to either himself/herself or the rest of
    society.

    Quoted message said:

    Not if you believe in the Bill of Rights for all
    peoples in the world.

    There will be one when Christ claims the world. At this
    time, there is no such thing.

    Quoted message said:

    Or at the minimum, basic human rights as defined in the
    UN charter and the Geneva Convention.

    Folks will trespass against each other. That is their
    sinful nature without Christ.

    You remain in my prayers, neighbor.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will know how to love everyone
    including those with whom you disagree.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

    --
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  19. Don Kirkman said:

    It seems to me I heard somewhere that Dr. Andrew B. Chung,
    MD/PhD wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    liaM wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
    > The question again is: Has Mr. Rumsfeld stalked
    > anyone as a consequence of this "obsession"?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yes. He and his ilk are stalking any poor guy that
    looks arab and ain't American.

    Quoted message said:

    Did not the suicide-bombers who instigated 9-11 look arab
    (ie were not American)?

    Quoted message said:

    Would it not be wise to do our part to not allow another
    9-11 incident?

    Just as wise as it was in 1942 to round up 70,000 US born
    *American citizens* of *Asian* heritage, along with 40,000
    of their long-time (minimum 18 years) legal US resident
    parents, and ship them off with no hearings, charges, or
    trials, to live for up to three years in desert internment
    camps surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by military
    police. All because of ethnic stereotyping, political and
    economic motivation, hysteria, and exaggerated claims of
    military necessity to safeguard the West Coast.

    It it your claim that Mr. Rumsfeld was behind the internment
    of Japanese-Americans in 1942?

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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  20. fresh~horses said:


    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]>
    wrote in message news:<67e426c1ab2f64a40d6d44494f495bd3@n-
    ews.teranews.com>...

    Quoted message said:
    liaM said:

    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Did not the suicide-bombers who instigated 9-11 look
    arab (ie were not American)?

    9-11 was "instigated" long before those misguided souls
    came on the scene...

    Yes, 9-11 was a successful repeat attempt at bringing down
    the WTC towers.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Would it not be wise to do our part to not allow another
    9-11 incident?

    ...by those who would rape pillage and murder for oil.

    Yes, some Iraqis have such a history (remembering the Kuwait
    invasion).

    Quoted message said:

    Your soldiers died for oil Andrew.

    They are not my soldiers but the soldiers of my country here
    on this world.

    Being that I am Christian, I am not of this world (as my
    Lord is not of this world) and my true country is Heaven
    with Christ...

    ... and His soldiers, like me, do not die for He has given
    us eternal life.

    Quoted message said:

    Not some noble idea of freedom.

    May American soldiers and their country remain blessed by
    God in Christ's name.

    Quoted message said:

    Enshrined on a piece of paper and ignored.

    Your soldiers died for oil.

    Those who are Christian have eternal life.

    You remain in my prayers, Zee.

    May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,
    someday, so that you too will have eternal life and the
    limitless riches of His everlasting kingdom.

    Servant to the humblest person in the universe,

    Andrew

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