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  1. my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the six minute mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4
    miles that was run on saturday mornings in about 14 minutes.

    i told him sure just because he's my superior in the chain
    of command, but i don't know if he's just setting the bar to
    a different level because it's me or whatever.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
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  2. "kitznegari thinks it has wings" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the


    six minute

    Quoted message said:

    mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4 miles that was run on
    saturday


    mornings in

    Quoted message said:

    about 14 minutes.

    Simple curiosity - what does he think is magical about a 6
    minute mile?

    --
    Doug Freese
    [email hidden]
    (Remove the NOBS)

  3. sorry dude not good idea MA is not runnig a very good way to
    get hurt i am not saying it can not be done but speed will
    come / your body should get use to the miles 1st plodzilla

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:


    my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the six minute mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4
    miles that was run on saturday mornings in about 14
    minutes.

    i told him sure just because he's my superior in the chain
    of command, but i don't know if he's just setting the bar
    to a different level because it's me or whatever.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  4. [email hidden] (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the six minute mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4
    miles that was run on saturday mornings in about 14
    minutes.

    When do these goals have to be achieved? What is your
    current mile time? What is your fastest 400 meter time (once
    around a 400m track)? Keep in mind that a mile is 4 times
    around a 400m track + about 10 meters. What is your current
    training like? Do you have any other issues that could
    impede your progress towards this goal, such as weight?

    Quoted message said:

    i told him sure just because he's my superior in the chain
    of command, but i don't know if he's just setting the bar
    to a different level because it's me or whatever.

    It's probably whatever. ;-)

    Phil M.

    --
    "Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be
    everlasting."

  5. "kitznegari thinks it has wings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the six


    minute

    Quoted message said:

    mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4 miles that was run on
    saturday


    mornings in

    Quoted message said:

    about 14 minutes.

    i told him sure just because he's my superior in the chain
    of command, but


    i

    Quoted message said:

    don't know if he's just setting the bar to a different
    level because it's


    me or

    Quoted message said:

    whatever.

    Yeah, I'm with plodzilla. It seems like an ill-thought-out
    goal for someone who just started running regularly last
    week and runs 12:30 miles right now. A 6-minute mile might
    not be impossible, but it's not something that you could
    probably do in one year, or even two. That's roughly
    equivalent to about a sub-20 5K? That's really quite an
    accomplishment for a female "recreational" runner
    (especially if running is your "secondary" sport!) One of
    the group female regulars just broke the 20-minute barrier,
    but she trains very hard (currently at 60+ miles a week) and
    presumably has been building toward this point for a number
    of years. I'm sure the regulars will all know plenty of sub-
    20 women 5Kers, but I bet most of them have been
    running/training for years.

  6. with all else is his sport MA 1st and running 2nd i run /
    ultra-run / climb / MA - gung fu ( what r u) / Vball / swim
    i can be a jack of all trades and a master at none i run
    better than i climb but i luv climbing better than i run(go
    figure) i have friends that want me to do paintball /
    rollerblade / ice skate / water ski but if i injury my self
    by doing any of those then i am back to base one ,,,, and
    that REaLLY sux of course then there is things like marriege
    / kids / kids school and such i am not married so i am not
    torn tween 2 or more comitments. The more you add on a plate
    the more torn u will B and a 6 minute mile could be a
    commitment at the expense of MA and other food on your
    plate. the zilla has spoken. you can burn twice as bright
    but only half as long ,,,, learn to burn bright and
    longggggg ,,,, injury free!! plodzilla

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:


    my martial arts instructor wants me to make my running
    target "the six minute mile". he wants me to do the 2 1/4
    miles that was run on saturday mornings in about 14
    minutes.

    i told him sure just because he's my superior in the chain
    of command, but i don't know if he's just setting the bar
    to a different level because it's me or whatever.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  7. "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "> Simple curiosity -

  8. gentolm <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    i am not married

    Don't worry Gent, with the new gay marriage laws and the new
    openness, I'm sure the right guy will come along soon.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Simple curiosity - what does he think is magical about a 6
    minute mile?

    that's just the goal he set for me. nothing magical... it's
    just a goal.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  10. Quoted message said:

    When do these goals have to be achieved?

    no specific time... i think he just wants me to try as hard
    as i can until i'm there. (and it's working. i've been going
    like a maniac since he proposed that we "go for a jog" one
    saturday, heh)

    Quoted message said:

    What is your current mile time?

    probably about 12 minutes. i'm slooooow right now 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    What is your fastest 400 meter time (once around a
    400m track)?

    i've haven't the foggiest idea. haven't run on a track since
    high school.

    Quoted message said:

    What is your current training like?

    just started.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you have any other issues that could impede your
    progress towards this goal, such as weight?

    weight isn't really a problem... i just generally need to
    get in better shape.

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  11. Quoted message said:

    sorry dude not good idea MA is not runnig

    but he's a runner and wants to see me be successful in the
    school because i'm just generally in better shape. i'm the
    senior student and want to be the best i can be 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    a very good way to get hurt

    ?

    Quoted message said:

    i am not saying it can not be done but speed will come /
    your body should get use to the miles 1st

    well yeah, i'm going to work up to it. was just wondering
    how it was for a goal 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  12. Quoted message said:

    Yeah, I'm with plodzilla. It seems like an ill-thought-out goal for someone
    who just started running regularly last week and runs 12:30 miles right now.

    well he meant down the road as a distant goal, you know.
    he didn't mean, like, tommorrow. i think he meant in a
    few months.

    Quoted message said:

    A 6-minute mile might not be impossible, but it's not
    something that you could probably do in one year, or
    even two.

    oh wow. so nevermind then. hehe.

    Quoted message said:

    That's really quite an accomplishment for a female
    "recreational" runner (especially if running is your
    "secondary" sport!)

    i had no idea it was that much more difficult!! wow!

    now i feel like he thinks really highly of me if he thinks
    that i might someday be able to do that! 🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 27 more days
    until my D1 test.

  13. Quoted message said:

    First off, URA punkass [censored], only a [censored] lies about
    their martial arts experience, secondly any punk can do a
    6 mm, even homos like Realbitchy and Freeze can do it (in
    their cars)..

    and you are?

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 27 more days
    until my D1 test.

  14. Quoted message said:

    with all else is his sport MA 1st and running 2nd

    i'm wondering now if he's set this goal for HIMSELF and
    wants ME to motivate HIM by progressing along as he does.

    🙂

    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 27 more days
    until my D1 test.

  15. kitznegari thinks it has wings wrote in message <20040509094143.29348.00000733@mb-
    m25.aol.com>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    When do these goals have to be achieved?

    no specific time... i think he just wants me to try as hard
    as i can until


    i'm

    Quoted message said:

    there. (and it's working. i've been going like a maniac
    since he proposed


    that

    Quoted message said:

    we "go for a jog" one saturday, heh)

    Training like a maniac is an oxymoron - training should be
    controlled and carefully evaluated with attention to stress
    on the body.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    What is your current mile time?

    probably about 12 minutes. i'm slooooow right now 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    What is your fastest 400 meter time (once around a
    400m track)?

    i've haven't the foggiest idea. haven't run on a track
    since high school.

    Quoted message said:

    What is your current training like?

    just started.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you have any other issues that could impede your
    progress towards this goal, such as weight?

    weight isn't really a problem... i just generally need to
    get in better


    shape.

    Quoted message said:


    - k i t z - "winners forget they're in a race. they just
    love to run." -simon wilder
    spinning_plates.tripod.comspinning_plates.tripod.com

    livejournal.comkitznegari 28 more days
    until my D1 test.

  16. "kitznegari thinks it has wings" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Simple curiosity - what does he think is magical
    about a 6


    minute

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mile?

    that's just the goal he set for me. nothing magical...
    it's just


    a goal.

    Then why not a 4 min mile? To say 6's when you are running
    12's is a big stretch. He should set small goals like 11's
    then 10's and then see what reasonable. Setting such a lofty
    goal puts the carrot on a 20 mile stick.

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]
    (remove the NOBS)

  17. kitznegari thinks it has wings said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, I'm with plodzilla. It seems like an ill-thought-out
    goal for someone who just started running regularly last
    week and runs 12:30 miles right now.

    well he meant down the road as a distant goal, you know.
    he didn't mean, like, tommorrow. i think he meant in a
    few months.

    Ahhh, "few months" is very short term goal in running - less
    than a training cycle usually. "Distant goals" tend to be
    multiple years.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A 6-minute mile might not be impossible, but it's not
    something that you could probably do in one year, or
    even two.

    oh wow. so nevermind then. hehe.

    Just learn about training. Start slowly as you're doing.
    The improvements will come. If you're just starting
    running, the times will quickly improve, but you may hit
    plateaus along the way.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    That's really quite an accomplishment for a female
    "recreational" runner (especially if running is your
    "secondary" sport!)

    i had no idea it was that much more difficult!! wow!

    now i feel like he thinks really highly of me if he thinks
    that i might someday be able to do that! 🙂

    Maybe he's setting up a long-term goal (multiple years) for
    you. Not sure if your other achievements were done overnight
    (relatively), and this is now a test of being able to handle
    long term planning and goals. If he's really a serious
    runner, I think he realizes that and *might* offer training
    suggestions since he knows you better than any of us could
    possibly know your abilities / needs. (Or he may have gone
    through the school of hard knocks, and may not have a good
    training plan ideas. Dunno.) This might be a test to see if
    you just start blindly running hard or if you methodically
    learn about training and set up intermediate goals.

    Most important, learn your recovery rate and don't do too
    much too soon, or you'll be back here with an injury report.
    Although you may be in decent overall shape, if you haven't
    been running, you'll be using muscles / tendons, etc in new
    ways. Cardio is generally *not* the limiting factor for
    newbies. I think the slowest adaptation is generally in the
    tendons based on what I've read. That is, just because you
    feel good and on a high, be aware that your tendons (and
    muscles) may not be ready to go more until you've been doing
    it for a while. Your MA may have you in some condition so
    your adaptation might be a lot faster than some.

    It's not an impossible goal (depending on your age, which I
    can't remember), but learn to enjoy the journey of the
    intermediate steps, as it looks like you are doing. You
    might find you really enjoy longer runs as you develop
    endurance.

    Enjoy.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people" -Bernd
    Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  18. I see that you are highly motivated. However, without
    direction, your self- motivation could cause a problem,
    particularly an injury due to over training. Pay close
    attention to what Dot posted. The only thing I'd add is that
    you should have a plan/program. There are some good books
    available that will help you out. That, combined with
    helpful responses in this newsgroup, will help you to
    achieve your running goals.

    Phil M.

    --
    If you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the
    world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you.
    -Chuang Tzu

  19. [email hidden] (kitznegari thinks it has wings) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    and you are?

    Your "top"...

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    kitznegari thinks it has wings said:
    Quoted message said:

    sorry dude not good idea MA is not runnig

    but he's a runner and wants to see me be successful in the
    school because i'm just generally in better shape. i'm the
    senior student and want to be the best i can be 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    a very good way to get hurt

    ?

    To elaborate: A very effective way to get injured is to do
    too much, too soon, TOO FAST.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    i am not saying it can not be done but speed will come /
    your body should get use to the miles 1st

    well yeah, i'm going to work up to it. was just wondering
    how it was for a goal 🙂

    There are goals and goals. If this is a 3-4 months from
    now, you either have left out some very important
    information (ex: you used to be a 4 minute miler), or your
    coach is being delusional and will get you injured well
    before the 4 months are up. If it's a 5 year goal, it's
    just, as Doug said, putting the carrot at the end of a
    long (perhaps infinitely long) stick.

    Since you mention elsewhere that you're 27 (and I think,
    male), a plausible 3-4 month goal is 1.5 miles in 12
    minutes. At the moment you're taking longer than that for
    1 mile, so this does represent some real improvement. The
    reason i think this is likely to be doable is that it is
    the Cooper standard for open class men. That means it's
    something that probably something like 95% of open class
    men can do with due training. (Those with weight issues
    may take longer than the 3-4 months, as the weight has to
    come off first.)

    It's a progressive goal as well -- before you run 2 miles
    in 12 minutes, you have to be able to run 1.5 miles in 12
    minutes. (Actually, to do 2 miles in 12 minutes, you have
    to consider 1.5 miles in 12 minutes to be a relaxed jog.)

    Most people have better success by setting up a number of
    intermediate goals along the way to an ultimate goal. You
    may be different from most of us. It's also true that not
    everyone is capable, regardless of determination, of
    knocking of 2.25 miles at 6 minutes per mile pace. Again,
    you might be one of those.
    --
    Robert Grumbine radix.net~bobg Science faqs and
    amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo
    Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much
    evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less
    appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a
    more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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