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  1. It's that time of year when I'm beginning to contemplate the
    full horror of lugging around a full-pack around the
    Pyrenees for three weeks in August.

    I usually like to prepare by spending 3 or 4 days trekking
    with the full pack a few weeks before I go - this year I'm
    using a new pack and will want to check it out thoroughly.

    I was thinking of doing 3 or 4 days on the Brecon Beacons
    but it's a while since I've been there. I don't think I'll
    have time for the 5 days or so it will take to do the full
    East/West traverse. What do folks think would make a good
    three day walk based around wild camping, campsites or a
    mixture of the two?

    --
    Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

  2. Andy Howell said:

    I was thinking of doing 3 or 4 days on the Brecon Beacons
    but it's a while since I've been there. I don't think I'll
    have time for the 5 days or so it will take to do the full
    East/West traverse. What do folks think would make a good
    three day walk based around wild camping, campsites or a
    mixture of the two?

    Well a little more information would be helpful. How far do
    you like to walk each day? One way walk or circular? Do you
    want to visit every summit enroute or are you happy to
    bypass them?

    Anyway, without knowing any of the above, here's a
    suggestion;

    Beacons. Start from Pencelli (there is a very nice camp site
    there if you want to use it before you start). Follow the
    path SW up to Bryn and along the Gist Wen ridge up to Waun
    Rydd. From there head west doing the main Beacons summits.
    From Storey Arms continue west up over the col (missing out
    Fan Fawr) and drop down to the head of the Dringarth valley.
    There are some decent spots to camp wild in the vicinity of
    where Nant y Gwair meets Nant y Gaseg. It's a very quiet
    spot and will get you away from the hordes just to the east.

    Forest Fawr. Next day continue heading west. Pick your own
    route depending on whether you want to visit each summit or
    bypass them. There are very few paths in this area and no
    obvious line from summit to summit. If you want to visit
    each summit you'll either have to put up with a lot of ups
    and downs or walk a lot further if you prefer to contour and
    stay high. Simpler to bypass most of them. Plan your route
    by the contours. The going is mostly easy but there are a
    few rough patches. From Fan Gyhirych head NW over Cefn Cul
    and then up to Llyn y Fan Fawr. There are plenty of spots to
    wild camp along the upper Afon Tawe but it's worth making
    the extra effort to get up to the lake. It's a great place
    to wake up to the sunrise. There's an inflow on the NW
    corner of the lake which gives you a good water supply.

    Mynydd Du. Continue west. Take the path up to Bwlch Giedd
    and then Fan Brycheiniog, then Bannau Sir Gaer and Waun
    Lefrith (although you could contour around to the north of
    the escarpment below the summits if you prefer - less
    effort and good views of the cliffs). From Waun Lefrith
    cross the boggy col to Carreg yr Ogof then travel south
    along the rocky Garreg Las. Then west across Foel Fraith
    and Garreg Lywd (or you could follow the river just north
    of these summits).

    If you wanted to end it at this point you could follow the
    road north to Llangadog (you could probably hitch a lift
    there). How you'd arrange transport from there I don't know.
    On the other hand, if you wanted to stay an extra day there
    are plenty of wild camping opportunities in this area, for
    example at the head of the Sawdde valley or just west in the
    Blaenclydach area. Another very quiet area.

    Western Mynydd Du. You could continue travelling west along
    the smaller summits until they finally fizzle out at Tair
    Carn Isaf. The going can be a bit rough here, this is very
    rarely visited by people. At the end you could make your way
    to Glanaman, Ammanford or even Llandeilo. You might want to
    pay a visit to Carreg Cennen Castle while you're in the
    vicinity (most dramatically located castle in Wales IMO).

    Hope this helps.

    Paul
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  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    From Fan Gyhirych head NW over Cefn Cul and then up to
    Llyn y Fan Fawr. There are plenty of spots to wild camp
    along the upper Afon Tawe but it's worth making the extra
    effort to get up to the lake. It's a great place to wake
    up to the sunrise. There's an inflow on the NW corner of
    the lake which gives you a good water supply.

    Good suggestions Paul, but it would be a shame to miss out
    Fan Hir. The initial ascent is a bit of a bind, but well
    worth it in the end.

    Surely there is a route off fan Gyhirych to avoid Cefn Cul
    in order to get to the Gwyn arms or Tafarn y Garreg in order
    to take in Fan Hir?
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  4. The most important advice re Brecon..

    An old one I know, but just in case its this:

    The Storey Arms is NOT a pub.

    Enjoy

    Richard Webb

  5. W. D. Grey said:

    Good suggestions Paul, but it would be a shame to miss out
    Fan Hir. The initial ascent is a bit of a bind, but well
    worth it in the end.

    Well it depends on the main purpose of the walk. Does Andy
    want to climb every summit and/or experience all the best
    that the Beacons has to offer, or does he just want a bit of
    practice walking with a heavy sack?

    In my experience, the pain of backpacking is such that I
    prefer to take the shortest easiest route to my destination,
    so I'd avoid "scenic" routes, much as it may dismay me to do
    so. On the other hand, if Andy is in training for the
    Pyrenees maybe he'd like to do lots of ups and downs? In
    which case Fan Hir may be a good idea (but perhaps not so
    convenient for fitting in with camping plans).

    Quoted message said:

    Surely there is a route off fan Gyhirych to avoid Cefn Cul
    in order to get to the Gwyn arms or Tafarn y Garreg in
    order to take in Fan Hir?

    Well if you follow the easy track from Fan Gyhirych SW to
    Penwyllt there's a steep ROW heading NW to Glyntawe. Never
    been that way.

    Paul
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  6. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    The most important advice re Brecon..

    An old one I know, but just in case its this:

    The Storey Arms is NOT a pub.

    But if you time it right you might find an ice cream van
    selling very basic refreshments. What I want to know is, why
    is there no permanent cafe or tea room at Storey Arms? You'd
    think it'd be a gold mine, what with all the people who
    congregate in the area.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  7. Fran said:
    Quoted message said:

    The Storey Arms is NOT a pub.

    But if you time it right you might find an ice cream van
    selling very basic refreshments. What I want to know is,
    why is there no permanent cafe or tea room at Storey Arms?
    You'd think it'd be a gold mine, what with all the people
    who congregate in the area.

    Yeah, and the next thing you know they'll be charging a
    fiver to park there...

    Best leave it as it is I reckon, we don't want the place to
    turn into another Pen y Pass.

    Paul
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  8. Quoted message said:

    But if you time it right you might find an ice cream van
    selling very basic refreshments. What I want to know is,
    why is there no permanent cafe or tea room at Storey Arms?
    You'd think it'd be a gold mine, what with all the people
    who congregate in the area.

    Any relationship to the legendary icecream van which is
    there to entrap tempted soldiers on exercise... Been told a
    couple of times about that trick when hitching...

    Richard Webb

  9. In article
    <BCC26449.2EC4A%NOSPAMandy.howell@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk>,
    Andy Howell
    <NOSPAMandy.howell@ecotrendDOTorgDOTuk.?.invalid> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the advice - I knew I could rely on you lot. I
    think Paul has hit the nail on the head - sometimes (in
    this mode) I enjoy the summits but they're not always
    necessary; but a good wild camp/sunset/sunrise sounds
    excellent to me.

    I appreciate what Paul is saying, but I consider Fan Hir
    less of a summit and more of a superb ridge walk - one that
    I'm sure would be enjoyed. The descent at Bwlch Giedd to
    Paul's favourite camp site near Llyn-y-Fan Fawr would be
    necessary though.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  10. On 6/5/04 11:42 pm, in article [email hidden], "Paul

    Saunders said:

    Well it depends on the main purpose of the walk. Does Andy
    want to climb every summit and/or experience all the best
    that the Beacons has to offer, or does he just want a bit
    of practice walking with a heavy sack?

    Thanks for the advice - I knew I could rely on you lot. I
    think Paul has hit the nail on the head - sometimes (in this
    mode) I enjoy the summits but they're not always necessary;
    but a good wild camp/sunset/sunrise sounds excellent to me.

    Mind you avoiding summits can give you problems. At Easter
    I was clambering up Moel Siobad and arrived at a ridge
    leading NW away from the summit; the summit was probably
    only 5 minutes away. But it was not a nice day. I'd been
    following a walk in the new Ramblers/Collins Snowdonia
    guide (which I bought last year and never used). Stopping
    for a breather I consulted the guide which said from the
    summit take a well-trodden path heading NW. If I'd have
    looked at my map I would have seen this should have read
    NE! Anyhow, there to NW was a great looking ridge path (not
    indicated on my Harvey's map). Off I zoomed at a rate of
    knots, after all there is nothing like a good ridge walk!
    Fortunately, as it was Snowdonia, it became apparent very
    quickly I was walking towards Snowdon and not Capel Curig.
    First time I've seen a misprint like that in years. Of
    course, 5 minutes to the summit would have told me exactly
    where I was - even in mist.

    However, for me at least, one of the joys of walking on
    mountain is getting lost!

    ---
    Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

  11. Andy Howell said:

    Thanks for the advice - I knew I could rely on you lot. I
    think Paul has hit the nail on the head - sometimes (in
    this mode) I enjoy the summits but they're not always
    necessary; but a good wild camp/sunset/sunrise sounds
    excellent to me.

    Mind you avoiding summits can give you problems.

    The central Beacons and Mynydd Du have pretty
    straightforward ridge lines leading from summit to summit
    across the cols, but Fforest Fawr isn't so accomodating.
    There's no single ridge line so trying to visit every summit
    would make for a very inefficient route - either you'd have
    to retrace your steps a lot or leave the ridges and do a lot
    of valley ups and downs. There are very few paths in this
    area either, since it's one of the least dramatic parts of
    the Beacons, but I guess that's what gives it it's charm -
    the solitude! If you aren't familiar with that area and
    visibility is bad, then your navigation skills need to be up
    to scratch.

    Quoted message said:

    However, for me at least, one of the joys of walking on
    mountain is getting lost!

    Getting lost? What's that? Last time I did a 9 mile night
    walk in that area the GPS was invaluable in helping me find
    the car at the end. Not knowing where we started the descent
    off the ridge and being unable to walk in a straight line
    because of all the boggy streams on the hillside, finding
    the car by compass would have been a lot more tricky.

    Paul
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  12. W. D. Grey said:

    I appreciate what Paul is saying, but I consider Fan Hir
    less of a summit and more of a superb ridge walk - one
    that I'm sure would be enjoyed.

    I agree totally. But it does require extra distance and
    ascent. I was just thinking that if I was backpacking that
    distance across the Beacons I'd probably be too knackered
    to consider it by that time, but that's because I'm not fit
    enough to do a walk like that anyway. Andy must be a lot
    fitter if this is a preparation for the Pyrenees. If he's
    fit enough to include Fan Hir then by all means he should
    go for it.

    Paul
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  13. On 9/5/04 11:29 pm, in article [email hidden], "Paul

    Saunders said:

    Getting lost? What's that? Last time I did a 9 mile night
    walk in that area the GPS was invaluable in helping me
    find the car at the end. Not knowing where we started the
    descent off the ridge and being unable to walk in a
    straight line because of all the boggy streams on the
    hillside, finding the car by compass would have been a lot
    more tricky.

    That's why I have recently bought a GPS! It's no always fun
    getting lost!

    --
    Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

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