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  1. Anth wrote:

    I think the other persons immune system would kill the
    cancer cells, also blood is screened.

    There's the HCG test - that can detect cancer or pregnancy
    amongst other things.

    Biopsy would be the ultiimate.

    Anth

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    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Test

    The test for pregnancy is done, by measuring the amount of
    human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) in blood or urine.

    HCG is a hormone produced by the placenta during pregnancy.

    HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors,
    especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ
    cell tumors).

    Therefore, hCG levels are usually tested in a woman, who may
    have cancer of the ovaries or abnormal tissue growing in her
    uterus (molar pregnancy), instead of a normal fetus.

    In a man, hCG levels may be measured to help determine if he
    has cancer of the testicles.

    The test for hCG is done on a sample of blood taken from a
    vein or on a urine sample. Routine pregnancy testing is
    usually done on a urine sample.

    The test does not measure the exact amount of hCG, but it
    indicates if hCG is above the normal, nonpregnant level.

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    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers,
    bone cancers, blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  2. [email hidden] wrote:

    "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors,
    especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ
    cell tumors). "

    Quoted message said:

    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers,
    bone cancers, blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    No. HCG is not normally present in the body (unless you are
    a pregnent female) at levels high enough to be detected by
    the usual lab tests. It's only present if the cancer is
    producing it, which most often happens when it's a cancer
    that started with eggs or sperm precursor cells.

    If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues,
    it will probably still be producing it, but it's not common
    for a tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be making it.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

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    lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
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  3. "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors,
    especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ
    cell tumors). "

    Quoted message said:

    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers,
    bone cancers, blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    No. HCG is not normally present in the body (unless you
    are a pregnent female) at levels high enough to be
    detected by the usual lab tests. It's only present if the
    cancer is producing it, which most often happens when it's
    a cancer that started with eggs or sperm precursor cells.

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign
    of cancer.

    Quoted message said:

    If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues,
    it will probably still be producing it, but it's not
    common for a tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be
    making it.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    Anth

  4. Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a
    sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too,
    therefore it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women, if
    you use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced (normally)
    in high quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates
    something wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
    lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
    your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

  5. Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you
    got any references to this for me to look at? (I think this
    would make sense as I've read the body deals with cancer
    cells on a daily basis) Thanks Anth

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a
    sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too,
    therefore it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women,
    if you use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced
    (normally) in high quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates
    something wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

  6. This article about hCG, was recently posted here:

    [abcnews.go.comPRIMETIME 01
    0419_abbott_feature.html]

    High hCG Levels, False Positives:

    "Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose
    blood contains natural substances that can interfere with
    lab tests, and cause results that are false positive."

    -------------------

    some quotes:

    "I can't have kids," she says, "and I desperately want to
    have a family." Compounding the physical and emotional pain
    that haunts her every day, doctors have discovered Rufer
    never had cancer at all.

    Rufer has brought a lawsuit against Abbott Laboratories, one
    of the world's largest diagnostic and pharmaceutical
    companies, ... claiming that flawed results from their Axsym
    BHCG pregnancy test led to unnecessary cancer treatments,
    including chemotherapy and a hysterectomy.

    High HCG Level

    Three years ago, soon after Rufer was married, she went to
    the doctor because of irregular bleeding. The doctor took a
    blood sample for the Axsym BHCG routine pregnancy test, one
    of the most common blood pregnancy tests in the country.

    The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was
    pregnant. But her doctor could find no baby. Additional
    Axsym pregnancy tests came back positive for Rufer, and
    still there was no indication of a pregancy.

    When a woman is pregnant, she produces high levels of a
    hormone called beta human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG).

    But if there is no baby, the elevated HCG levels can be a
    sign of a rare form of cancer, called a "gestational
    trophoblastic tumor".

    If untreated, it can spread rapidly and kill. If treated
    early with chemotherapy, it is highly curable. In fact,
    early treatment is so important, that doctors sometimes
    order chemotherapy, even if there is no evidence of a tumor.

    Rufer was referred to a cancer specialist, at the University
    of Washington Medical Center in Seattle, for more extensive
    tests. Though scans showed no sign of a tumor, her HCG level
    continued to be alarmingly high. Doctors diagnosed her with
    cancer, and she began chemotherapy immediately.

    Chemotherapy continued for four months, but Rufer's HCG
    levels on the Abbott test remained between 250 and 350,
    while a normal level is less than five.

    She was told she would have to have a hysterectomy.
    Tissue samples after her hysterectomy, showed no evidence
    of cancer.

    At first, her HCG levels dropped, but then went back up.
    Then, doctors saw two suspicious spots on her lung scan, so
    she had additional surgery. Doctors still found no cancer,
    and yet her HCG levels remained elevated.

    Then came a stunning relevation: "They ended up finding out
    that I have never had cancer," says Rufer. "That this test
    was faulty from the beginning, and that I had never had this
    disease. I had been treated for no reason at all."

    False Positives

    Rufer is not the first, to have blood pregnancy test
    results, indicate a false positive.

    Laurence Cole, a Yale University researcher who published an
    article about women who are misdiagnosed with cancer, based
    on incorrect pregnancy tests, ... found that Rufer is among
    the 10 percent of the population, whose blood contains
    natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and
    cause results that are false positive.

    No lab test is 100 percent perfect, and other companies that
    make pregnancy tests measuring HCG, have also shown false
    positives. But Cole, who has become an expert witness in
    cases against Abbott, believes the company has a greater
    problem. "We are still to this day, hearing about false
    positive results in the Abbott Axsym test," he says.

    Abbott's Response

    In numerous statements to ABCNEWS, Abbott insists its test
    is no more prone to false positives, than any other test on
    the market.

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    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  7. Quoted message said:

    This article about hCG, was recently posted here:

    [abcnews.go.comPRIMETIME 0
    10419_abbott_feature.html]

    High hCG Levels, False Positives:

    "Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose
    blood contains natural substances that can interfere with
    lab tests, and cause results that are false positive."

    There are also instances where the pregnancy tests were
    never poritive ... right up to the day the baby was
    delivered.

    Quoted message said:

    The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was
    pregnant. But her doctor could find no baby. Additional
    Axsym pregnancy tests came back positive for Rufer, and
    still there was no indication of a pregancy.

    That was their mistake: not trying a different brand as a
    doublecheck. I find it hard to believe that with all those
    different labs she didn't have other brands used.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
    lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
    your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

  8. Anth said:

    Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you
    got any references to this for me to look at?

    I remembered that from my lab tech training - it's why ultra-
    sensitive hormone testing is not widely used, because you
    reach a point where the test doesn't help diagnose anything.
    You could search the web.

    Quoted message said:

    (I think this would make sense as I've read the body deals
    with cancer cells on a daily basis)

    ONE MORE TIME: HCG has NOTHING to do with cancer! It can be
    present in SOME cancers, but unles you have high levels in a
    non-pregnant female or any male, IT MEANS NOTHING.

    Quoted message said:

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a
    sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too,
    therefore it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women,
    if you use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced
    (normally) in high quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates
    something wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh


    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a
    lot like politicians invoking morality and children - grab
    your wallet and/or your kid and run for your life.

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