Cod Liver Oil vinaigrette

"Andy Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil as a
base for mayo?

My wife has developed an inflammatory arthritis, which
many hold benefits from large amts of fish oil ... more
than is pleasant to consume by itself. Yet the main
problem appears to be one of texture, not taste. And most
oils aren't especially pleasant to chug a lug. So why not
use cod liver oil to mix a vinaigrette, it's not heated,
simply flavored and emulsified. Same for mayo. With the
latter you'd use about 1/2 cup (daily recommended quantity
is 15 mls), so that would be about 8 days worth, weigh the
finished mayo and divide it into eighths.

I think ....

The get a double whammy by using the finished mayo to make
tuna salad.

Any comments?

TIA

Andy Katz
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Well assuming that you are serious....

Once upon a high and far off time cod liver oil was given to
children to "make them healthy". Most had to be run down,
cornered, tied and threatened with dire things to make them
take it. I was different and developed quite a taste for it.
I haven't tried it in oh , hmm, well a very long time but I
do recall that it is VERY pungent. The belches (up to an
hour later) are also pungent.

I suggest that you make up said mayo in a small carefully
measured test amount and see if you can stomache it. A
weeks supply could be wasteful if nobody can keep it down.
And don't serve it to guests unless they are red-blooded
thrill seekers.

David

Andy Katz said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil
as a base for mayo?

My wife has developed an inflammatory arthritis,
which many hold benefits from large amts of fish oil
... more than is pleasant to consume by itself. Yet
the main problem appears to be one of texture, not
taste. And most oils aren't especially pleasant to
chug a lug. So why not use cod liver oil to mix a
vinaigrette, it's not heated, simply flavored and
emulsified. Same for mayo. With the latter you'd use
about 1/2 cup (daily recommended quantity is 15
mls), so that would be about 8 days worth, weigh the
finished mayo and divide it into eighths.

I think ....

The get a double whammy by using the finished mayo
to make tuna salad.

I couldn't imagine using it in cooking.... However, if the
goal is to ingest a decent amount of fish oil, two
suggestions....

First, I read that Costco's fish oil capsules are the most
reasonable

Second, the easiest way to avoid the awful taste is to
freeze the capsule before taking. There's been recent
articles about the benefits for the heart as well, so my
wife keeps a bottle in the freezer. I've yet to taste, or
belch fish since we froze them... Give it a try.

Andy Katz said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil
as a base for mayo?

My wife has developed an inflammatory arthritis,
which many hold benefits from large amts of fish oil
... more than is pleasant to consume by itself. Yet
the main problem appears to be one of texture, not
taste. And most oils aren't especially pleasant to
chug a lug. So why not use cod liver oil to mix a
vinaigrette, it's not heated, simply flavored and
emulsified. Same for mayo. With the latter you'd use
about 1/2 cup (daily recommended quantity is 15
mls), so that would be about 8 days worth, weigh the
finished mayo and divide it into eighths.

I think ....

The get a double whammy by using the finished mayo
to make tuna salad.

Any comments?

Yes. Cod liver oil sponsors burps roughly equivalent to a
highly active volcano. But with slightly less fire and lava.
Slightly. It has a strong flavor, as well, and I can recall
gagging as a child when forced to take my daily shot of
vitamin D (which is why we took it back then). Nasty, fishy
taste that nothing cleared very quickly. Tried OJ, milk, ice
cream, chocolate (particularly to be avoided), lemonade,
water, Coke... nothing helped.

Try fish oil capsules (I get mine at Costco and take 4 a
day). Couple in the morning, couple in the evening and it's
over. No smelly mayo in the fridge, no issues with what
might happen to the oil while sitting combined with those
other ingredients.

Another benefit is to help adjust blood lipid levels and
provide additional coronary health support.

Pastorio

I went looking for cod liver oil a while back and they only
had it in capsules and mint flavored. I finally found some
plain oil but it was very expensive compared to the plain
stuff. I wanted to use it for a skin condition and didn't
want the mint flavored kind.

Ora

Andy Katz said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil
as a base for mayo?

My wife has developed an inflammatory arthritis,
which many hold benefits from large amts of fish oil
... more than is pleasant to consume by itself. Yet
the main problem appears to be one of texture, not
taste. And most oils aren't especially pleasant to
chug a lug. So why not use cod liver oil to mix a
vinaigrette, it's not heated, simply flavored and
emulsified. Same for mayo. With the latter you'd use
about 1/2 cup (daily recommended quantity is 15
mls), so that would be about 8 days worth, weigh the
finished mayo and divide it into eighths.

I think ....

The get a double whammy by using the finished mayo
to make tuna salad.

Any comments?

TIA

Andy Katz

Andy Katz said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil
as a base for mayo?

My wife has developed an inflammatory arthritis,
which many hold benefits from large amts of fish oil

Are you sure this is recommended? It sounds like a recipe
for diarrhea to me. A little cod liver oil as a
supplement is fine. A lot would produce other symptoms.
I'm not speaking from experience, but I wouldn't try this
or would go slowly or would definitely pay close
attention to the benefits.

Arthritis is one of those ailments that gets a little
better, then a little worse. That makes it a candidate for
getting treated with everything under the sun. Someone
suggests copper bracelets or magnets or cutting vinegar out
of the diet, and the symptoms get a little better. The
patient becomes convinced that the odd treatment worked.
They blame something else when they have a bad day. I'm not
suggesting that you or your wife is gullible; I'm suggesting
that it's really hard to know when arthritis is getting
better. I'd hate to see her eating a little cod oil, feeling
a little better and then take more and more if she has a
flare up of symptoms.

Whatever happens and whatever works, I hope she feels
better soon.

--Lia

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Quoted message said:

Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried the above, or using cod liver oil as a
base for mayo?

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Well assuming that you are serious....

Once upon a high and far off time cod liver oil was given
to children to "make them healthy". Most had to be run
down, cornered, tied and

threatened

Quoted message said:

with dire things to make them take it. I was different and
developed

quite

Quoted message said:

a taste for it. I haven't tried it in oh , hmm, well a
very long time but

I

Quoted message said:

do recall that it is VERY pungent. The belches (up to an
hour later) are also pungent.

<snip>

ME! ME! it was a far off time, but I remember it well. I was
given a glass of orange juice to drink immediately -- and I
mean immediately -- after Mom gave me the tablespoon full of
oil. It helped, but not much.

Felice

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Quoted message said:

Well assuming that you are serious....

Once upon a high and far off time cod liver oil was given
to children to "make them healthy". Most had to be run
down, cornered, tied and

threatened

Quoted message said:

with dire things to make them take it. I was different and
developed

quite

Quoted message said:

a taste for it. I haven't tried it in oh , hmm, well a
very long time but

I

Quoted message said:

do recall that it is VERY pungent. The belches (up to an
hour later) are also pungent.

I still love cod liver oil. But then again, canned cod
livers on crackers were a snack staple in my home when I was
growing up. I remember going to visit my aunt & uncle.
Uncle, a sickly type, had BIG cod liver oil capsules in the
fridge. I always found a reason to go to the kitchen to
swipe a few.

I remember being given a daily halibut liver oil capsule in
school during the winter. Families paid a small amount and
capsules were handed out first thing in the morning. The
capsules were very small and designed to be swallowed whole
but I'd get my teeth into them to crack them soon as they
hit my tongue.

All that said, I can't imagine using cod liver oil for
vinaigrette or mayo.

Gabby

David Hare-Scott said:

Well assuming that you are serious....

Yeah, why not?

It's just an oil, but not easy to stomach by itself. And
also highly recommended for the treatment of arthritis.

Quoted message said:

Once upon a high and far off time cod liver oil was given
to children to "make them healthy". Most had to be run
down, cornered, tied and threatened with dire things to
make them take it. I was different and developed quite a
taste for it. I haven't tried it in oh , hmm, well a very
long time but I do recall that it is VERY pungent. The
belches (up to an hour later) are also pungent.

I suggest that you make up said mayo in a small carefully
measured test amount and see if you can stomache it. A
weeks supply could be wasteful if nobody can keep it down.
And don't serve it to guests unless they are red-blooded
thrill seekers.

Right. I'm less concerned about its palatability than I
wonder will it maintain its healthful properties in mix. I
can't think of any reason it wouldn't, but so what? Imagine
doing this, finding an acceptable formula, using it for God
knows how long ... only to discover that it's no more
beneficial than canola oil. Problem with treatments such as
fish oil is that while they are demonstrably beneficial,
they also take weeks, if not months, to work, the process is
too subtle to gauge by effect alone.

Andy Katz
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Julia Altshuler said:

Arthritis is one of those ailments that gets a little
better, then a little worse. That makes it a candidate for
getting treated with

This is inflammatory arthritis, not osteoarthritis, so the
course untreated is typically degenerative.

Quoted message said:

everything under the sun. Someone suggests copper bracelets
or magnets or cutting vinegar out of the diet, and the
symptoms get a little better. The patient becomes convinced
that the odd treatment worked.

No. Fish oil comes from the Mayo (oops;-) Clinic's
classification as likely efficacious.

Quoted message said:

They blame something else when they have a bad day. I'm not
suggesting that you or your wife is gullible; I'm
suggesting that it's really hard to know when arthritis is
getting better. I'd hate to see her eating a little cod
oil, feeling a little better and then take more and more if
she has a flare up of symptoms.

It's a standard quantity: 3 grams daily come hell or high
water. It's not taken symptomatically but rather part of a
general overall nutritional program. She also takes
methotrexate and will start on Enbrel soon, so it's not just
nutrition at work either.

Quoted message said:

Whatever happens and whatever works, I hope she feels
better soon.

Thank you🙂

Andy Katz
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 14:01:09 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Yes. Cod liver oil sponsors burps roughly equivalent to a
highly active volcano.

So we see;-)

Quoted message said:

Try fish oil capsules (I get mine at Costco and take 4 a
day). Couple

One problem is that she had a hard time swallowing pills,
and she already takes numerous meds/supplements/palliatives.
We do have capsules, but we were hoping for at least one
alternative.

Quoted message said:

Another benefit is to help adjust blood lipid levels and
provide additional coronary health support.

Right.

Thanks,

Andy Katz
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Gabby said:

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Quoted message said:

Well assuming that you are serious....

Once upon a high and far off time cod liver oil was given
to children to "make them healthy". Most had to be run
down, cornered, tied and

threatened

Quoted message said:

with dire things to make them take it. I was different and
developed

quite

Quoted message said:

a taste for it. I haven't tried it in oh , hmm, well a
very long time but

I

Quoted message said:

do recall that it is VERY pungent. The belches (up to an
hour later) are also pungent.

I still love cod liver oil. But then again, canned cod
livers on crackers were a snack staple in my home when I
was growing up. I remember going to visit my aunt & uncle.
Uncle, a sickly type, had BIG cod liver oil capsules in
the fridge. I always found a reason to go to the kitchen
to swipe a few.

I remember being given a daily halibut liver oil capsule
in school during the winter. Families paid a small amount
and capsules were handed out first thing in the morning.
The capsules were very small and designed to be swallowed
whole but I'd get my teeth into them to crack them soon as
they hit my tongue.

All that said, I can't imagine using cod liver oil for
vinaigrette or mayo.

Gabby

But how about in a tuna salad or a ceasar salad dressing? Or
drizzle it over Chinese or SE Asian food?

Bob

Gabby said:

All that said, I can't imagine using cod liver oil for
vinaigrette or mayo.

Why not?

Is it too strongly flavored?

And if so, what if it were immediately mixed into something
such as tuna salad?

Andy Katz
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Quoted message said:

Gabby said:

All that said, I can't imagine using cod liver oil for
vinaigrette or

mayo.

Quoted message said:

Why not?

Is it too strongly flavored?

Well, it is that.

Quoted message said:

And if so, what if it were immediately mixed into
something such as tuna salad?

You'd definitely be intensifying the fish taste.

The main for taking cod liver oil in the winter was to
provide us with the necessary Vitamin D. Since it is quite
possible to overdose on Vit. D (it's fat soluble and not
easily excreted) and we don't need that much, I wouldn't
consider using it in food.

Gabby

Gabby said:

Quoted message said:

And if so, what if it were immediately mixed into
something such as tuna salad?

You'd definitely be intensifying the fish taste.

The main for taking cod liver oil in the winter was to
provide us with the necessary Vitamin D. Since it is quite
possible to overdose on Vit. D (it's fat soluble and not
easily excreted) and we don't need that much, I wouldn't
consider using it in food.

Good point. In this case we're looking for the fish oil
components, which are readily available in capsule form, but
my wife has trouble taking pills, and already has quite a
few that are unavoidable. The cod liver, aquired taste
though it is, seemed like a better alternative.

Andy Katz
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Gabby said:

All that said, I can't imagine using cod liver oil for
vinaigrette or

mayo.

Quoted message said:

Why not?

Is it too strongly flavored?

Well, it is that.

Quoted message said:

And if so, what if it were immediately mixed into
something such as tuna salad?

You'd definitely be intensifying the fish taste.

The main for taking cod liver oil in the winter was to
provide us with the necessary Vitamin D. Since it is quite
possible to overdose on Vit. D (it's fat soluble and not
easily excreted) and we don't need that much, I wouldn't
consider using it in food.

Gabby

I certainly won't use cod liver oil as a major omega 3 fatty
acid source; however, the issue more is the vitamin A than
the vitamin D.

While it is true vitamin D is fat soluble and is stored
rather effectively though perhaps not quite as lasting a
vitamin A, you should put numbers to your overdose concerns.
Research now indicate that the upper limit of intake ( UL
2000 IU) was set too low for many persons and regions. And
the Reference Intake (RI) is also too low. It appears to me
that the RI should at a minimum be set at 800 IU (20
micrograms). Indeed a 1000 IU RI seem a better choice.
During the late fall and winter months, I take 100
micrograms of D3 that is 4000 IUs. Too little of this
vitamin has be related to higher rates of prostate cancer,
osteoporosis, and autoimmune disorders i.e. type 1 diabetes.

With Cod liver oil, its overuse will likely result in a
vitamin A excess before a vitamin D excess. At a dose of
cod liver oil that will yield 4000 IU of D3 will yeild a
dose in the range of perhaps 37000 to 53000 IUs of
preformed A in a volume of ten teaspoons full. Recall 4000
is a safe dose according certain researchers for folks
living in doors or in climates like that of Seattle,
Washington, USA. I'd chose a lower dose during the summer
if you get a "decent" amount of sun.

Fish oil capsules would be a better choice. In autoimmune
disorders it maybe a useful to also trim the intake of
omega 6 fatty acids while increasing the intake of omega 3
fatty acids.

William A. Noyes said:

I certainly won't use cod liver oil as a major omega 3
fatty acid source; however, the issue more is the vitamin A
than the vitamin D.

[...snip...]

Quoted message said:

Fish oil capsules would be a better choice. In autoimmune
disorders it maybe a useful to also trim the intake of
omega 6 fatty acids while increasing the intake of omega 3
fatty acids.

Thanks for the comments. I hadn't realized how much A & D
the cod liver oil contained. My wife started out using
capsules, but the recommended quantity is three grams/day,
meaning 10 caps/day. And she already takes other
meds/supplements. We thought cod liver oil offered at least
a change of pace. But now it looks as though its back to
capsules for us.

Thanks again,

Andy Katz
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