Low Carb diet marathoners

Bill said:

Are there any low caarb marathoners out there? I am on the
Atkins diet and am currently running 30 miles a week , my
long run is only 8 miles so far. I would like to hear of
anyones experience in this matter. Bill

I'm neither an expert nor do I play one on TV. I also am not
on the Atkins diet. However, based on my reading re:
Glycogen levels and marathoning, I'd say that for your
longer runs, you will have to use more Carbohydrates than
Atkins would like. This should be okay, because these should
be burned off during the run. My guess would be that if you
go low-carb on a long run (15 miles and higher) or marathon,
you will soon find out that Atkins = BONK.

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i have run on atkins. if you eat a salad with slow-releasing
carbs beforehand, you should be fine.

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Are there any low caarb marathoners out there? I am on the
Atkins diet and am currently running 30 miles a week , my
long run is only 8 miles so far. I would like to hear of
anyones experience in this matter.

Voodoo medicine. (No offense to real voodo experts who are
smarter than this.0 I doubt it very much. Long distance
running puts immense fuel demands. The recommendation is 65%
carbs for long distance runners. You'll probably hit the
wall at ten miles without carbs.

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Are there any low caarb marathoners out there? I am on the
Atkins diet and am currently running 30 miles a week , my
long run is only 8 miles so far. I would like to hear of
anyones experience in this matter. Bill

If you read yesterdays, 4-20-04 USA Today,sports section
back full page, you will see The new Atkins Diet Pyramide
put out by Atkins. It's not the same as the FDA
recomendations but different than most people interpite
Atkins diet to be.

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i have run on atkins. if you eat a salad with slow-
releasing carbs beforehand, you should be fine.

Not on Atkins..but on straight carbo starve for swimming
(try to avoid all sugars net or otherwise) I could maintain
my 70-80% pace for about
1/2 the normal time. I could maintain a sprint for about
1/10th the normal time. Racing on the no carb diet gave me
hallucinations and dry heaves (and a strong commitment to
eating more balanced).

But be really, really, really careful about getting enough
water. In ketosis, your poor kidneys and liver are working
over time to handle all those amine groups. By diluting
those amines you give your organs a break.

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i have run on atkins. if you eat a salad with slow-
releasing carbs beforehand, you should be fine.

Sure vegetables are slow release, but they are very low
calorie, too. That is, they don't provide much energy.

Doesn't anyone think anymore? Weren't there plenty of trim
distance runners eating lots of carbs many years ago?

Low carb for non-exercising office workers might be good for
body fat control. However, the entire USA seems to have
forgotten meat and heart disease.

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But be really, really, really careful about getting enough
water. In ketosis, your poor kidneys and liver are working
over time to handle all those amine groups. By diluting
those amines you give your organs a break.

Protein poisoning also causes a form of arthritis called
gout. Can be very painful.

(rick++) said:

Protein poisoning also causes a form of arthritis called
gout. Can be very painful

I could be wrong... but I think gout (an excess of uric acid
which forms cystals... usually in the big toe) is more the
result of excess red meat consumption specifically than
protein in general. I don't think you're going to get gout
on a diet of beans, corn, soy, fish, chicken etc.

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Nova Scotia, Canada

I started what I call a 'modified' Atkins program in Mar 03.
I had been about 8-10 lbs heavier than I like for almost 3
years, and decided that after reading the book, Atkins makes
alot of sense if you modify it appropriately to allow for a
runners need for carbs. Dr. Atkins website (in the Q&A)
section addressed running and low carb in a very practical
way, and indicated that as runners we should eat more carbs
than dieters, but that it was important to eat the 'right'
carbs. This is more of a glycemic index approach, but its
consistent with what I read in a runners world nutrition
article, so it was pretty easy to apply.

I never went down below 50 grams of carb in ANY day, and
usually found that with 70-80 grams I felt great and I lost
the weight and have been able to keep it off. Since last
August, I've kind of gone back to eating more carbs than
before, but not nearly at the levels which I had in
previous years.

Atkins/South Beach/low-carb diets can work, but they need to
be accompanied with some common sense. Most people I know
tend to jump into these things without even reading the book
and basing it on tons of misinformation. Atkins' book
stresses exercise as a central component of the program,
does NOT allow you to eat all the bacon, sausage, cheese
etc.. that you want, and does not deny people fresh fruits.
Even when I was at my lowest carb level, I still ate 1-2
pieces of fruit a day. An apple only has 23 carbs, a banana
27, and strawberries have less than half of that.

Also, to refute the notion that you can't run well on a low
carb program, at the time I was doing this I was training
for my first marathon in 6 years, and did very well.

I don't think running and low carb makes sense for
everyone, but eating less carbohydrates definitely makes
sense for me. I will never eat 60% carbs ever again. I
don't see ever being above 30%. I think the 40/30/30
program eating the right kinds of protein carbs and fat
makes the most sense overall.

But each person is different. As always YMMV

Bill,

You need to carefully take a look at your body weight.
Are you sure you are as low as you can be or are you
overweight like 90 out of every hundred runners I've
seen. Maybe you should post your height and weight here
because that in iself would tell a lot. There are many
runners I've known who thought their body weight was just
fine and never thought about how it would make any
difference. Well it does, Frank Shorter lost 15 pounds
after he graduated from college living in a locker room
and having only enough money to buy about 1 sandwich a
day. The loss in weight brought his 10K time down several
minutes. He didn't run a marathon while in college but if
he had the difference would have been 10 minutes based on
his college 10K time.

Same goes for the guy who was quoting Bernd Heinrich
earlier. Bernie was running fine and didn't think his
weight made any difference. He never even considered
losing weight. Then he started getting into Ultra
marathoning and was out so much for so many hours that it
kept him from eating. He was completely shocked when he
found himself 20 pounds lighter and then set the world
record for 100 kilometers.

I have had similar experiences with my athletes, they hit
plateaus which they couldn't break in years. Then they'd
go on a diet, lose weight and within 2 weeks smash right
through their plateaus like they didn't even exist. That
is why I tell a lot of my runners now that they shouldn't
even run seriously until they lose that weight because
all they would be doing is spinning their wheels and
getting disappointed.

So yes, if the Atkins diet can cause you to lose weight
then use it and lose it. There are better methods and
better diets to use but almost anything that will cause
you to lose weight is good providing you maintain your
nutritional needs and health. Once you have achieved an
ideal running weight, it should not be that necessary to
continue such a strict diet. You just need to monitor
your weight then and see that it doesn't go up when you
get off the diet.

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Are there any low caarb marathoners out there? I am on the
Atkins diet and am currently running 30 miles a week , my
long run is only 8 miles so far. I would like to hear of
anyones experience in this matter. Bill

with all the anti low carb feeling here I'd expect there
whould be more supporters of President Bush! To this end I
offer the following joke!

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Have you heard of the NO-CARB Diet for 2004?

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September the 11th, 2001 taught a lesson I will never
forget. America must confront threats before they fully
materialize. In Iraq, my administration looked at the
intelligence information, and we saw a threat. Members of
Congress looked at the intelligence, and they saw a threat.
The United Nations Security Council looked at the
intelligence, and it saw a threat. I had a choice to make,
either take the word of a madman, or take such threats
seriously and defend America. Faced with that choice, I will
defend America every time. (Applause.)

Because America and our allies acted, it is clear to
everyone, when America makes a pledge, we keep our word. By
speaking clearly, by speaking consistently, and by meaning
what we say, it is more likely the world will be more
peaceful. Because America and our allies acted, all the
world is now seeing democracy rising in the heart of the
Middle East. A year ago, Iraq was ruled by the whims of one
cruel man. Today, Iraq has a new interim law that guarantees
basic rights for all: freedom of religion, the right to cast
a secret ballot, and equality under the law. And these
historic changes are sending a message across the region
from Damascus to Tehran: Freedom is the future of every
nation. (Applause.)

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with all the anti low carb feeling here I'd expect there
whould be more supporters of President Bush! To this end I
offer the following joke!

Quoted message said:

Have you heard of the NO-CARB Diet for 2004?

Quoted message said:

NO C-heney NO A-shcroft NO R-umsfeld NO B-ush

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and "Absolutely NO RICE!"

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Dude, you are such a hypocrite. Pretend that you can make
jokes and append that with a *long* doctrine of your
life's beliefs.

Seems like you are pretty slow. Behind the times. Lookie
here. Here's the latest news:

Poll: Support for Bush, Iraq war dropping Kerry leads Bush
in matchups

Sunday, May 16, 2004 Posted: 11:55 AM EDT (1555 GMT)

A new poll shows growing reservations about President Bush
and more doubts about the war in Iraq.

(CNN) -- As Americans express growing unease about
Iraq, President Bush's job approval rating has taken a
hit, according to a poll released Friday by CNN and
Time magazine.

That development appears to be helping Sen. John Kerry, the
presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. He wins the
support of 51 percent of likely voters, compared to 46
percent for Bush. In February, Bush was ahead of Kerry by
two percentage points.

If independent Ralph Nader is among the choices, Kerry gets
49 percent, Bush 44 percent and Nader 6 percent.

Bush's overall job approval rating fell from 49 percent to
46 percent since the last CNN/Time poll on April 8, while
his disapproval rating rose from 47 percent to 49 percent --
the first time that more people disapproved of Bush's job
performance than approved.

More people than not believe that going to war with Iraq was
the right thing to do, but that number has declined to 48
percent in this poll, compared to 53 percent in April. And
56 percent of those polled say the war is not worth U.S.
lives and other costs.

The poll was conducted by telephone Wednesday and Thursday,
at a time when the scandal over the U.S. abuse of Iraqi
prisoners was dominating news coverage, along with the
beheading of American Nicholas Berg in Iraq.

The margin of error for the total sample of 1,001 adult
Americans is
3.1 percentage points, but that margin varied for
questions specifically asked of smaller groups, such as
likely voters.

The prison abuse scandal stunned Americans, 27 percent of
whom said it made them "less supportive" of the war in Iraq.
And 55 percent of those polled said Bush is doing a poor job
of handling Iraq, compared to 39 percent who said he was
doing a good job.

But a majority of Americans expressed support for Defense
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- under fire for his handling
of the abuse reports -- with 57 percent saying he should
not resign.

On the question of the war, only 41 percent of those
polled believe the United States is winning, although 60
percent said the country can win and 52 percent said the
country will win.

Democrats were decidedly more pessimistic on the matter --
65 percent said the United States is not winning the war, 44
percent said it can't win and 52 percent said it won't win.
Bush and Kerry

Kerry and Bush are essentially tied over who would handle
Iraq better -- 46 percent to 43 percent.

Bush appears to have an advantage over Kerry on the war on
terrorism with 49 percent saying he would do a better job,
compared to 42 percent for Kerry. He also had the edge in
"moral values" -- 46 percent to 42 percent.

On the question of who would do a better job, Kerry had big
leads on health care, protecting the environment, reducing
the deficit and reducing unemployment. He even did better
than Bush on the question of taxes.

In the fight against terrorism -- one of Bush's strengths in
many polls -- this poll showed a split over whether Bush is
doing a good job. Forty-six of those polled said he was, but
47 percent said he was doing a poor job.

The poll also indicated that Bush's troubles may hurt the
GOP in other races. On the generic ballot for congressional
races, Democrats have a 13 point lead among likely voters.

Overall, those polled said they believed things are going
well in the country, but they expressed growing concern
about Bush.

Those with "doubts and reservations" about Bush's ability to
lead the country rose from 55 percent to 59 percent while
those who believe the president can be trusted as a leader
dropped from 44 percent to 39 percent, since early February.
Abused prisoners

Fifty percent think there was a cover-up of the Abu Ghraib
prison scandal, although 63 percent said they believe it is
limited to a "few individual soldiers."

Those participating in the poll want to see the soldiers court-
martialed, but more -- 68 percent -- want to see their
supervisors face the same procedure. And the sides are
nearly even -- 45 percent saying yes and 44 percent saying
no -- on whether the generals in charge of Iraq should face
court-martial.

Regardless of who is responsible, the pollsters found that
Americans don't want to see any more pictures of it -- 66
percent said no when asked if all other photographs should
be released, while 30 percent said yes.

CNN's Keating Holland contributed to this report. (Standing
ovation here...)

MWL

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President Bush Meets with Military Personnel at Fort
Campbell Remarks by the President to Military Personnel
Fort Campbell, Kentucky March 18, 2004

September the 11th, 2001 taught a lesson I will never
forget. America must confront threats before they fully
materialize. In Iraq, my administration looked at the
intelligence information, and we saw a threat. Members of
Congress looked at the intelligence, and they saw a
threat. The United Nations Security Council looked at the
intelligence, and it saw a threat. I had a choice to make,
either take the word of a madman, or take such threats
seriously and defend America. Faced with that choice, I
will defend America every time. (Applause.)

Because America and our allies acted, it is clear to
everyone, when America makes a pledge, we keep our word.
By speaking clearly, by speaking consistently, and by
meaning what we say, it is more likely the world will be
more peaceful. Because America and our allies acted, all
the world is now seeing democracy rising in the heart of
the Middle East. A year ago, Iraq was ruled by the whims
of one cruel man. Today, Iraq has a new interim law that
guarantees basic rights for all: freedom of religion, the
right to cast a secret ballot, and equality under the law.
And these historic changes are sending a message across
the region from Damascus to Tehran: Freedom is the future
of every nation. (Applause.)