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  1. Hi I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones, my father is tall also
    & never ran, but used to bend a lot at work. He has just had
    a double hip replacement, i fear this in later life. Is this
    hereditory, when i started running i ached around the hips,
    but as i get into it over the weeks, this goes!

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis in
    later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase my
    chances!. Are Hip & knee wear & replacements & arthritic
    problems linked. Should i not exercise as much to avoid
    this. Summer is soon & i'll be doing lots of sport, i'm
    worried about being a cripple in later life!

    Thanks

    Gary

  2. In article said:

    Hi I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones, my father is tall
    also & never ran, but used to bend a lot at work. He has
    just had a double hip replacement, i fear this in later
    life. Is this hereditory, when i started running i ached
    around the hips, but as i get into it over the weeks,
    this goes!

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis
    in later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase
    my chances!. Are Hip & knee wear & replacements &
    arthritic problems linked. Should i not exercise as much
    to avoid this. Summer is soon & i'll be doing lots of
    sport, i'm worried about being a cripple in later life!

    You could well end up a "cripple" with or without running.

    A general observation I have made about people who exercise
    -- even when my active friends, whether they're runners or
    weightlifters or whatever are "injured", they are still
    considerably more able-bodied than they were before they
    trained. For example, my weight training partner has a bad
    shoulder, but his "bad" shoulder is still stronger than it
    was before he lifted weights. A colleague who used to run
    marathons has an arthritic hip, but he was running
    marathons between the ages of 40 and 60, so it's hard to
    tell if the running caused it or if he just got old --
    after all, it didn't stop him running marathons until he
    got old. However, he still cycles, and he still looks
    pretty good despite his age.

    The bottom line is that I don't think that you can
    completely undo the effects of age, but if I had to
    make a bet on either the inactive or active person
    being able-bodied in old age, I would put my money on
    the active person.

    Cheers,
    --
    Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflord

  3. Hi Gary:

    Quoted message said:

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis
    in later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase
    my chances!.

    Quoted message said:

    Should i not exercise as much to avoid this. Summer is
    soon & i'll be


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    lots of sport, i'm worried about being a cripple in
    later life!

    Au contrair, running seems to be *protective* to joints--
    here are some links:

    runningtimes.comosteoarthritis.htm

    news.bbc.co.uk2332409.stm

    I would add that if you do have joint pain while running,
    you should go to a running doc (orthopedist or podiatrist),
    and make sure everything is aligned and supported properly.
    My knees ached when I started running, but I got orthotics
    within a month or two of starting -- end of knee aches. I'm
    now 52, and have run over 75,000 miles, and my doc says
    there is no sign of joint wear in either knee, and ligaments
    are nice and tight.

    I highly recommend researching and taking 3,000mg of
    glucosamine sulfate daily -- I've done so for years -- as a
    preventative.

    --Dan

  4. "gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>... --snip--

    Quoted message said:

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis
    in later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase
    my chances!. Are Hip & knee wear & replacements &
    arthritic problems linked. Should i not exercise as much
    to avoid this. Summer is soon & i'll be doing lots of
    sport, i'm worried about being a cripple in later life!

    Thanks

    Gary

    I've heard a comment from an orthopede - athletes end up
    with great hearts and lungs and some what worn joints -
    I think I'd rather have woren joints than trashed heart
    and lungs.

    ----

    runners4bush2004.rantweb.comrunners4bush2004.rantweb.com

    The Clear Skies Initiative would bring cleaner air to
    Americans faster, more reliably, and more cost-effectively
    than under current law. It would save Americans as much as
    $1 billion annually in compliance costs, while improving air
    quality and protecting the reliability and affordability of
    electricity for consumers. Clear Skies would cut pollution
    further, faster, cheaper - and with more certainty -
    eliminating the need for expensive and uncertain litigation
    as a means of achieving clean air.

  5. I gnerally "wear" something oveer my hip joint :-)

    I hear running is neutral and does not accelerate arthritis.
    I coming up to 35 years and 60,000 miles. Getting sensitive
    to hard surfaces.

  6. "gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones,

    If you have that many stones, it'd be wise to cut back on
    your running awhile until they pass. There are new
    techniques involving ultrasound to break up kidney stones,
    so check those out.

  7. Seven or eight years ago I ran a marathon over on the Gulf
    Coast, one of our little band of merry runners was a
    gentleman who had received a hip replacement the previous
    year because of repeated rugby injuries. The last I heard of
    him was after he ran a 100 miler in Vermont.

    As far as you dad goes you should check with his surgeon
    regarding the reason he had to have a hip replacement. It
    could have been any number of reasons, say it was bad
    alignment of the bones, then get yourself checked out for
    similar problems.

    But aching around the hips is probably normal for "getting
    back into shape" you may need to do a little stretching or
    work on a ball to strengthen the pelvis muscles.

    OTOH I can't recall of hearing of a person needing a hip or
    knee replacement because of running. This doesn't mean its
    never happened, just I can't recall one. Most of the ones I
    seen were from participation in contact sports.

    gary said:

    Hi I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones, my father is tall
    also & never ran, but used to bend a lot at work. He has
    just had a double hip replacement, i fear this in later
    life. Is this hereditory, when i started running i ached
    around the hips, but as i get into it over the weeks,
    this goes!

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis
    in later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase
    my chances!. Are Hip & knee wear & replacements &
    arthritic problems linked. Should i not exercise as much
    to avoid this. Summer is soon & i'll be doing lots of
    sport, i'm worried about being a cripple in later life!

    Thanks

    Gary

  8. It seems to me I heard somewhere that gary wrote in article
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones, my father is tall
    also & never ran, but used to bend a lot at work. He
    has just had a double hip replacement, i fear this in
    later life. Is this hereditory, when i started running
    i ached around the hips, but as i get into it over the
    weeks, this goes!

    To the extent there is a genetic element there could be
    hereditary risk, I assume (I'm not a medical person)

    Quoted message said:

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of arthritis
    in later life, i thought that wear & tear would increase my
    chances!. Are Hip & knee wear & replacements & arthritic
    problems linked. Should i not exercise as much to avoid
    this. Summer is soon & i'll be doing lots of sport, i'm
    worried about being a cripple in later life!

    There are two main categories of arthritis--both the causes
    and the treatments differ. The rheumatic arthritises are
    inflammatory diseases, where joint damage follows the
    inflammation. These diseases, of which there are over 150
    recognized varieties including lupus and Crohn's disease,
    seem to be strongly related to the body's immune system
    attacking normal tissues.

    The second category is the osteoarthritis, primarily the
    result of wear and tear, though they can be precipitated by
    genetic factors or be trauma and injury earlier in life.
    This is the type of arthritis most at issue for running. I
    am not a medical person but my spouse has had osteoarthritis
    and a shoulder replacement, and I have been diagnosed with
    the onset of osteoarthritis.

    Here are some consensus summaries I've picked up from an
    arthritis support newsgroup over the past several years.

    -Keeping as active as the disease allows is important for
    maintaining range of motion and muscle tone.

    -The physical structure of an individual's body may be a
    factor in whether running or other repetitive exercise will
    eventually impact the joints. Many long-term runners never
    suffer the disease, while others may who run much less may
    be at risk.

    -Evidence seems to be growing that glucosamine may reduce
    the erosion of cartilage, though AFAIK no completed trials
    are available as of now. There is speculation but less
    evidence that glucosamine may promote regrowth of damaged or
    worn cartilage.

    FWIW, the osteopathic surgeon who diagnosed some cartilage
    loss in my spine, shoulder, and knee advised me to keep
    running as much as possible without pain. This matches my
    cardiologist's advice, who wanted me to maintain as much
    fitness as possible.
    --
    Don [email hidden]

  9. Dan Stumpus said:

    I would add that if you do have joint pain while running,
    you should go to a running doc (orthopedist or
    podiatrist), and make sure everything is aligned and
    supported properly. My knees ached when I started running,
    but I got orthotics within a month or two of starting --
    end of knee aches. I'm now 52, and have run over 75,000
    miles, and my doc says there is no sign of joint wear in
    either knee, and ligaments are nice and tight.

    I highly recommend researching and taking 3,000mg of
    glucosamine sulfate daily -- I've done so for years -- as
    a preventative.

    Agree with Dan and TopDog and I also take glucosamine for
    preventative. I only have about 47,000 miles but a little
    more age - I didn't start until 39 and only average about 50
    a week. At 59 I'm still ticking...I think... Hmm, my wife
    has the Life Insurance company on speed dial. 😉

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  10. I've been running and smoking joints for years, and my
    running never effected my joints (or my bong).

  11. This is true, but as arthritis is in my family & my dad
    who's tall like me has had double hip replacement, i don't
    fancy being in a wheelchair with chronic arthritis & a head
    & heart that wants to run!

    Phil <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    --snip--

    Quoted message said:

    Does running/cycling eliminate the prospects of
    arthritis in later life,


    i

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    thought that wear & tear would increase my chances!. Are
    Hip & knee wear & replacements & arthritic problems
    linked. Should i not exercise as much to avoid this.
    Summer is soon & i'll be


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lots of sport, i'm worried about being a cripple in
    later life!

    Thanks

    Gary

    I've heard a comment from an orthopede - athletes end up
    with great hearts and lungs and some what worn joints -
    I think I'd rather have woren joints than trashed heart
    and lungs.

    ----

    runners4bush2004.rantweb.comrunners4bush2004.rantweb.com

    The Clear Skies Initiative would bring cleaner air to
    Americans faster, more reliably, and more cost-effectively
    than under current law. It would save Americans as much as
    $1 billion annually in compliance costs, while improving
    air quality and protecting the reliability and
    affordability of electricity for consumers. Clear Skies
    would cut pollution further, faster, cheaper - and with
    more certainty - eliminating the need for expensive and
    uncertain litigation as a means of achieving clean air.

  12. If your joking, haha, but around 190 pounds, is that clearer!
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hi I'm 30 & around 6ft 1 & 15 stones,

    If you have that many stones, it'd be wise to cut back on
    your running awhile until they pass. There are new
    techniques involving ultrasound to break up kidney stones,
    so check those out.

  13. Does wearing supports help much, like mabe wearing tight cycle shorts whilst
    running, along with my ankle & knee supports!
    rick++ <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I gnerally "wear" something oveer my hip joint :-)

    I hear running is neutral and does not accelerate
    arthritis. I coming up to 35 years and 60,000 miles.
    Getting sensitive to hard surfaces.

  14. I was wondering when that one would come up!
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been running and smoking joints for years, and my
    running never effected my joints (or my bong).

  15. Quoted message said:

    I've been running and smoking joints for years

    The first truth you've ever spouted on usenet. Thanks.

    tkb

  16. Quoted message said:

    Au contrair, running seems to be *protective* to joints--

    I think the "use it or lose it" thing applies here. I'm now
    45, and I've been running and/or cycling pretty much my
    whole life (running beginning at about 21 or so, cycling
    since I was a kid). The knees of new runners always ache a
    bit, and this goes away for nearly all if they stick with it
    intelligently. If an experienced runner takes a layoff from
    running, they will likely have some fleeting knee soreness
    upon starting up again, too.

    Like Dan, I take glucosamine (actually I take "Triple Flex"
    which I get cheaply at Costco, and that contains
    glucosamine, chondroitin and MSM), a habit I started
    probably about 3 years ago. I don't have any joint
    problems, FWIW

  17. Is glucosamine available in a drink form, like gatorade, or
    am i thinking of something else!

    TopCounsel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040422134257.01198.00000130@mb-
    m14.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Au contrair, running seems to be *protective* to joints--

    I think the "use it or lose it" thing applies here. I'm
    now 45, and I've


    been

    Quoted message said:

    running and/or cycling pretty much my whole life (running
    beginning at


    about 21

    Quoted message said:

    or so, cycling since I was a kid). The knees of new
    runners always ache a


    bit,

    Quoted message said:

    and this goes away for nearly all if they stick with it
    intelligently. If


    an

    Quoted message said:

    experienced runner takes a layoff from running, they will
    likely have some fleeting knee soreness upon starting up
    again, too.

    Like Dan, I take glucosamine (actually I take "Triple
    Flex" which I get


    cheaply

    Quoted message said:

    at Costco, and that contains glucosamine, chondroitin and
    MSM), a habit I started probably about 3 years ago. I
    don't have any joint problems, FWIW

  18. It's sold in pill form as Glucosamine Sulfate. Expend to
    spend about $20/month.

    Sometimes with Chondroitin, and also with MSM.

    --Dan

    "gary" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is glucosamine available in a drink form, like gatorade,
    or am i thinking


    of

    Quoted message said:

    something else!

    TopCounsel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040422134257.01198.00000130@mb-
    m14.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Au contrair, running seems to be *protective* to joints--

    I think the "use it or lose it" thing applies here. I'm
    now 45, and


    I've

    Quoted message said:

    been

    Quoted message said:

    running and/or cycling pretty much my whole life
    (running beginning at


    about 21

    Quoted message said:

    or so, cycling since I was a kid). The knees of new
    runners always ache


    a

    Quoted message said:

    bit,

    Quoted message said:

    and this goes away for nearly all if they stick with it
    intelligently.


    If

    Quoted message said:

    an

    Quoted message said:

    experienced runner takes a layoff from running, they
    will likely have


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    fleeting knee soreness upon starting up again, too.

    Like Dan, I take glucosamine (actually I take "Triple
    Flex" which I get


    cheaply

    Quoted message said:

    at Costco, and that contains glucosamine, chondroitin
    and MSM), a habit


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    started probably about 3 years ago. I don't have any
    joint problems,


    FWIW

    Quoted message said:
  19. TopCounsel said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is glucosamine available in a drink form, like gatorade,
    or am i thinking of something else!

    It sure is. Costco has several of these concoctions, as do
    the usual assortment of drugstores (I've never tried them
    -- I swallow the pills!). One of them is called "Joint
    Juice," or something like that.

    All this time I though "joint Juice" was a love potion. I
    know, I've gone too far. 😉

    --
    Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]

  20. Doug Freese <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    All this time I though "joint Juice" was a love potion.

    In your case, it is.

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