Y'all still quite tedious...

could be roger said:

BTW, did Timmy complete his run?

Yep.

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Please post his time/excuses, I need a laugh.

My time btw was a miserable 4:44 but in my defence I
would say that placed me 40th out of 94. I had hoped for
a sub 4:30 but the hilliness of the latter stages caught
me by surprise.

I'm sorely tempted to do it again next year now that I know
the course but I'm going to have to choose between that or
the London marathon (which I'd like to do at least once).
Still toying with the idea of doing the Devil O' the
Highlands.

BTW, still waiting for that wodge of tenners.

Tim
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...I pop back to see how you're doing and what do I find?
Dullness with an extra helping of stupidity.

I tried to liven things up with this cycling video link a
few days ago, but it seems that nobody really checked it
out. As a biker yourself, you might appreciate it:

drunkcyclist.comred web.mpegOpen ↗

As I hyped it earlier without success: "It's about 8 minutes
long, and it's hilarious and scary. You will probably never
see such irresponsible cycling in your life. These guys go
through NYC at high speed running red lights, skimming
between buses at high speed, grabbing onto cars to get
pulled along, and lots more wild stuff. It truly is worth a
look. These guys are total maniacs, but they do seem to have
amazing bike handling skills. If you don't want to watch it
online, you can download the clip if you go to
www.drunkcyclist.com and click the link for this video on
the left margin of the home page. Just right-click the link
and it will give you the option of saving it to wherever you
select. Warning: this website a "bit' off-color.....The
opening shot of their page should tell you that!"

Mr. Ennui:

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Where is the satire, the confrontation, the high
principles, the morality, etc, etc, that I've come to
expect from the rec.runners?

We need a good, sarcastic gadfly--one who can string
together a grammatical sentence.

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Yunno, I'd feel kinda guilty if I thought that I'd in any
way contributed to the sad decline in post quality on this
newsgroup, but as I haven't, I don't.

Well, since your posts were generally full of satire,
confrontation, savage corrections, etc, your absence has
indeed done so...

I miss your desultory dismissives, for one. Also, your
cheerfully abrasive tone (sniff!).

You oughta lob a few bombs over the wall now and then just
to watch the ants run around.

--(the actual) Dan

Sorry. I'm just so tired...........So tired.

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...I pop back to see how you're doing and what do I find?
Dullness with an extra helping of stupidity.

Where is the satire, the confrontation, the high
principles, the morality, etc, etc, that I've come to
expect from the rec.runners?

I'd tend to agree with this. But, while you were away, you
missed the exploits of Dr. Andrew Chung, who came off as
such a bozo that people started asking about his medical
degree and hospital admitting privileges. He informed us
with more than a cetain amount of arrogance ("let me put it
in layman's terms"😉 that:

1. Someone running on a treadmill does not perform work (he
claims to have an engineering degree, but quite clearly
does not understand frame of reference).

2. The 100 calories burned per mile rule is wrong.

3. Exercise has very little effect on weight loss.

Presumably, given enough time, he would have "disproved"
Kepler's Laws and the Theory of Relativity.

Just your kind of guy, Roger.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!"
--US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

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...I pop back

You were never gone, although mentally you are
certainly 'gone'.

New there was a reason I had my mouth open down wind
bleaching my hair.. My Toung, My toung. I can't feel my
toung. and " I would really care. butt I don't.

splat

That link is 404'd. ie: it doesn't work.

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...I pop back to see how you're doing and what do I find?
Dullness with an extra helping of stupidity.

I tried to liven things up with this cycling video link a
few days ago,

but it

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seems that nobody really checked it out. As a biker
yourself, you might appreciate it:

drunkcyclist.comred web.mpegOpen ↗

As I hyped it earlier without success: "It's about 8
minutes long, and

it's

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hilarious and scary. You will probably never see such
irresponsible

cycling in

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your life. These guys go through NYC at high speed running
red lights, skimming between buses at high speed, grabbing
onto cars to get pulled

along,

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and lots more wild stuff. It truly is worth a look. These
guys are total maniacs, but they do seem to have amazing
bike handling skills. If you

don't

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want to watch it online, you can download the clip if
you go to www.drunkcyclist.com and click the link for
this video on the left margin of the home page. Just
right-click the link and it will give you the option of
saving it to

wherever

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you select. Warning: this website a "bit' off-
color.....The opening shot

of

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their page should tell you that!"

"Buddy Guy" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:mi8kc.2548$fE.1022
@fed1read02:

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drunkcyclist.comred web.mpegOpen ↗

I was able to download it from here - digave.comredOpen ↗
web.mpg

Phil M.

--
"Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be
everlasting." -fortune cookie

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I miss your desultory dismissives, for one. Also, your
cheerfully abrasive

tone (sniff!).

Indeed, probably more than once I've been moved -- by your
insinuations -- to kick my own butt harder rather than whine
insipidly here.

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He informed us with more than a certain amount of arrogance

Despite ostensibly being "servant to the humblest person in
the universe..."

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1. Someone running on a treadmill does not perform work
(he claims to have an

engineering degree, but quite clearly does not understand
frame of reference).

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2. The 100 calories burned per mile rule is wrong.

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3. Exercise has very little effect on weight loss.

These amazing "facts" of course were announced in the name
of Jesus, because "truth is simple."

Don't know how many followed the dialogue, but more than
one person stated with excruciating detail that they had
checked on the "doc's" supposed "hospital admitting
privileges," and found that he had none such. He still
emits his verbal diarrhea over at sci.med.cardiology on a
daily basis, however.

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Presumably, given enough time, he would have "disproved"
Kepler's Laws and the Theory of Relativity.

I was dialoguing further with him (or one of his various
incarnations) today at sci.med.cardiology ("Re: Help with
the truth about statins"😉, and he finally became so
flustered he resorted to this comment:

"There is no proof in science."

In article said:

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He informed us with more than a certain amount of
arrogance

Despite ostensibly being "servant to the humblest person
in the universe..."

Of course. "Dr Andrew Chung, PhD, MD", is well known for his
"humility".

Did Roger make his theatric departure before or after we had
MacElroy ? That guy was hilarious. One of the most
entertaining trolls we've had in a while. I think he ran
away because too many people laughed at him.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi pegasus.rutgers.edu~elflordOpen ↗

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Presumably, given enough time, he would have "disproved"
Kepler's

Laws and the

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Theory of Relativity.

I was dialoguing further with him (or one of his various

incarnations) today at

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sci.med.cardiology ("Re: Help with the truth about
statins"😉, and

he finally

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became so flustered he resorted to this comment:

"There is no proof in science."

Makes you want to to put your troubled heart and life in his
"medical and religious" hands. 🙂

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" [email hidden]
(remove the NOBS)

Topcounsel said:

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Presumably, given enough time, he would have "disproved"
Kepler's Laws and

the

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Theory of Relativity.

I was dialoguing further with him (or one of his various
incarnations) today at sci.med.cardiology ("Re: Help with
the truth about statins"😉, and he finally became so
flustered he resorted to this comment:

"There is no proof in science."

So what we have here is a Witch Doctor?

Does he come to your hospital bed wearing colorful beads and
a painted face and do a dance to chase away evil spirits?

Lyndon

"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

The witch doctor was still at it this morning when I gave him a further chance
to back down from the 3 positions Lyndon had restated so succinctly:

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"1. Someone running on a treadmill does not perform any
work, and expends 0 kcal (e.g., no understanding of the
concept of a "frame of reference"😉.

CHUNG:

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There is no physical work of moving the body which remains
essentially

stationary on a treadmill. This is analogous to observing
that there is energy expended in pushing against an
immovable wall even when there is no actual physical work.

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2. The oft-noted and long-repeated 100 calories burned
per mile run (or so, depending on the runner's
weight) rule is "wrong,"

CHUNG:

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It is wrong. Slap on some roller blades to reduce the
friction of foot

scuffing up pavement and watch the calories per mile
decrease drastically.

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and that no more than 250 kcal/hour can be expended, even
if you run 13 miles in that hour, as some

can.

CHUNG:

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Such abilities are more of a reflection of better
biomechanics than higher

metabolic rates.

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3. As such, exercise has virtually no effect on weight
loss."

CHUNG:

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Exercise is overrated for the purpose of achieving
weight loss.

Lyndon said:

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So what we have here is a Witch Doctor?

Does he come to your hospital bed wearing colorful beads
and a painted face and do a dance to chase away evil
spirits?

Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it. ;-)

Sometimes people need powerful placebos more than they need
powerful medicines.

Tim

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Topcounsel said:

The witch doctor was still at it this morning when I gave
him a further chance to back down from the 3 positions
Lyndon had restated so succinctly:

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"1. Someone running on a treadmill does not perform any
work, and expends

0

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kcal (e.g., no understanding of the concept of a "frame
of reference"😉.

CHUNG:

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There is no physical work of moving the body which remains
essentially

stationary on a treadmill. This is analogous to observing
that there is energy expended in pushing against an
immovable wall even when there is no actual physical work.

There is a famous example regarding Einstein's Theory of
Relativity (would be very suprised if Donovan didn't know
about this). You have two guys, one standing at a train
station, the other aboard a train that is moving toward the
train station at high speed. The engineer of the train blows
the horn on the train from just before until just past the
train station. The guy at the station hears a change in the
pitch of the sound of the horn due to the change in the
*relative* velocity (relative to the station) of the train
as it passes the station, while the guy on the train hears
no difference.

Likewise, you can have two guys in a health club, one on the
treadmill (watching a TV monitor) and the other looking at
the treadmill (standing). The TV monitor is pointed straight
down looking at the guy's foot striking the belt. The guy
standing next to the treadmill sees that the guy isn't
moving, but the guy on the treadmill looking at the TV
monitor sees his feet moving forward over a stationary belt
at XX miles/hr, against the intertia of the belt of the
treadmill, which by HIS frame of reference isn't moving.

Now, if you slow the belt velocity way down, and the guy on
the treadmill uses the rails of the treadmill to push
against the inertia of the belt so that the belt stops
moving, THEN no work is being done.

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2. The oft-noted and long-repeated 100 calories burned
per mile run (or

so,

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depending on the runner's weight) rule is "wrong,"

CHUNG:

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It is wrong. Slap on some roller blades to reduce the
friction of foot

scuffing up pavement and watch the calories per mile
decrease drastically.

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and that no more than 250 kcal/hour can be expended,
even if you run 13 miles in that hour, as some

can.

From the American College of Sports Medicine's Position
Statement on "Nurtrition and Athletic Performance" (p.3):

"For athletes, the recommendation is made to evaluate the
kind of exercise performed for its intensity, frequency, and
duration, and then to add this increment to the energy
needed for normal daily activity (109,97,59). For example, a
70 kg male runner who runs 10 miles per day at a 6-min pace
would require approximately 1,063 kcal per day to cover the
energy expenditure of running (0.253 kcal·min-1/kg)
(78),"

Reference (78):

KATCH FI, MCARDLE WD. Introduction to Nutrition, Exercise,
and Health. 4th ed. Philadelphia, Pa: Lea & Febiger; 1993.

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CHUNG:

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Such abilities are more of a reflection of better
biomechanics than higher

metabolic rates.

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3. As such, exercise has virtually no effect on weight
loss."

CHUNG:

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Exercise is overrated for the purpose of achieving
weight loss.

If you are an MD and you have patient(s) that are just
starting a running program, the total energy cost from
running might be limited because the patient cannot run
enough miles (yet) to burn much energy at 100 kcal/mile,
but this is an effect of the (lack of) fitness status of
the patient rather than the effect of running itself having
no effect.

Go ask Andy Hass how many calories he has to take in just to
keep from losing weight.

The YMCA has a very well respected starting running program
for people who have had bypass heart surgery. Some of the
people in this program (60's-80's) have gone on to finish
marathons. If they listened to Dr. Chung, they'd probably be
dead by now.

Lyndon

"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US
Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson