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  1. I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo which
    includes okra but not file powder. I don't want to have to
    order a special ingredient unless I absolutely have to at
    this point. I have a recipe I want to make, but it includes
    file, so I'm more interested in recipes without it for the
    technique than for the actual recipe. This is why I want it
    to be something you have tried yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

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  2. Ranee Mueller said:

    I have a recipe I want to make, but it includes file, so
    I'm more interested in recipes without it for the
    technique than for the actual recipe.

    Use your recipe, just leave out the file.

    FWIW, I can't imagine eating gumbo without it.

    Becca

  3. Ranee Mueller said:

    I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo
    which includes okra but not file powder. I don't want
    to have to order a special ingredient unless I
    absolutely have to at this point. I have a recipe I
    want to make, but it includes file, so I'm more
    interested in recipes without it for the technique than
    for the actual recipe. This is why I want it to be
    something you have tried yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

    Here's the one I usually make: If you make it with chicken
    or with white meat, add some slices of spicy sausage.

    Turkey Gumbo (adapted from a recipe I found in Chile Pepper
    magazine in 1991)

    2 large turkey legs 1 large bell pepper, chopped 3
    quarts water

    2 pounds sliced okra
    1/4 cup oil or bacon grease

    2/3 cup oil
    3/2 cup flour 2 cloves garlic
    3 (1ounce) can tomatoes 1 1/2 teaspoon salt (to taste) 1
    bay leaf (maybe 2) 2 stalks celery 1 teaspoon each:
    cayenne, thyme, basil, black pepper 1 bunch green
    onions, chopped 2 chicken bouillon cubes 1 yellow
    onion, chopped

    Boil or pressure-cook the turkey, water, bouillon cubes
    until tender. Remove turkey legs from stock and allow to
    cool; remove meat from bones, chop, set aside. Break the
    bones and add back to stock, with skin, gristle, etc. Put on
    back burner to simmer. Meanwhile, saute okra in 1/4 cup oil
    or grease in a heavy pot until all ropiness is gone (about 1
    hour). Combine remaining oil and flour in an iron skillet
    and cook over medium heat, stirring constantly until flour
    is chocolate brown (be careful not to burn it). Add onions,
    celery, garlic and bell pepper to the roux and saute until
    tender. Add roux-vegetables mixture to the okra, add
    tomatoes, meat, strained turkey stock, bay leaf, cayenne,
    black pepper and thyme; simmer, partially covered for half
    hour. Add basil and salt, simmer another 10 minutes. Serve
    over long-grain white rice.

  4. Becca said:

    Use your recipe, just leave out the file.

    FWIW, I can't imagine eating gumbo without it.

    Becca

    Hi Becca,

    I agree...

    Did you know that for a while (on the order of fifteen years
    ago), in its wisdom, the Federal Government put filé on the
    controlled substances list...?

    All the best,

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    Kenneth

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  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Ranee Mueller said:

    I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo
    which includes okra but not file powder. I don't want
    to have to order a special ingredient unless I
    absolutely have to at this point. I have a recipe I
    want to make, but it includes file, so I'm more
    interested in recipes without it for the technique than
    for the actual recipe. This is why I want it to be
    something you have tried yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

    Look up my Gumbo By Committee pix on my webpage:
    <www.jamlady.eboard.com>
    --
    -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> updated 3-29-04.

  6. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <raneemdonot-
    [email hidden]>, Ranee Mueller

    Quoted message said:

    I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo
    which includes okra but not file powder. I don't want
    to have to order a special ingredient unless I
    absolutely have to at this point. I have a recipe I
    want to make, but it includes file, so I'm more
    interested in recipes without it for the technique
    than for the actual recipe. This is why I want it to
    be something you have tried yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

    Look up my Gumbo By Committee pix on my webpage:
    <www.jamlady.eboard.com>

    I'm flattered you started out with my gumbo in mind... I
    *do* add file powder, but only at the very end of cooking.

    Ranee, I don't know about you but I don't have to order file
    powder. I find it, not in the spice section of the
    supermarket, but over by the fish counter (go figure). It
    seems to add a little something, but isn't absolutely
    necessary.

    Jill

  7. Ranee Mueller said:

    I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo
    which includes okra but not file powder. I don't want to
    have to order a special ingredient unless I absolutely
    have to at this point. I have a recipe I want to make,
    but it includes file, so I'm more interested in recipes
    without it for the technique than for the actual recipe.
    This is why I want it to be something you have tried
    yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

    from: foodreference.comartsassafras.html
    The bark of the roots, formerly one of the ingredients in
    root beer, contains volatile oils, 80% of which is safrole.
    The FDA banned its use as an additive in 1960, as safrole
    was found to cause liver cancer in rats. The sale of
    sassafras tea was banned in 1976. The root bark extract and
    leaves are now treated commercially to produce a safrole-
    free product, the root bark being used as a flavoring agent
    and the leaves for filé powder. The safrole free extract
    has, unfortunately, an inferior flavor. (Safrole is similar
    to thujone, which is found in wormwood, and was used to make
    absinthe --- banned since 1913).

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Melba's Jammin said:

    Look up my Gumbo By Committee pix on my webpage:
    <www.jamlady.eboard.com>

    Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

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  9. In article <[email hidden]>, "jmcquown"

    Quoted message said:

    Ranee, I don't know about you but I don't have to order
    file powder. I find it, not in the spice section of the
    supermarket, but over by the fish counter (go figure). It
    seems to add a little something, but isn't absolutely
    necessary.

    I have never seen it in the spice section here, I may
    have to check out the seafood counter. Thanks!

    Regards, Ranee

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  10. In article <[email hidden]>, zxcvbob

    Quoted message said:

    Here's the one I usually make: If you make it with chicken
    or with white meat, add some slices of spicy sausage.

    Turkey Gumbo (adapted from a recipe I found in Chile
    Pepper magazine in 1991)

    Thank you. 🙂 I was planning on using chicken thighs
    and smoked sausage. I've had a real craving for it, but
    I haven't had gumbo since I was 19. A family friend
    made it with shrimp, chicken and sausage and it was so
    good! I wish I knew how she did it, but I have lost
    touch with her.

    Regards, Ranee

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  11. Ranee Mueller said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    jmcquown said:

    Ranee, I don't know about you but I don't have to order
    file powder. I find it, not in the spice section of the
    supermarket, but over by the fish counter (go figure).
    It seems to add a little something, but isn't absolutely
    necessary.

    I have never seen it in the spice section here, I may
    have to check out the seafood counter. Thanks!

    Also it may be in the "Cajun" food/seasonings section of a
    soopermarket (it is in mine) if yer store is big enough (my
    local Treasure Island store here in Chicago carries a small
    selection of Lousiana victuals, e.g. Tony Chachere
    seasonings, etc....and we are also lucky in that they stock
    authentic Boudin sausage...)

    --
    Best Greg

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Gregory Morrow said:

    Also it may be in the "Cajun" food/seasonings section of a
    soopermarket (it is in mine) if yer store is big enough
    (my local Treasure Island store here in Chicago carries a
    small selection of Lousiana victuals, e.g. Tony Chachere
    seasonings, etc....and we are also lucky in that they
    stock authentic Boudin sausage...)

    You forget where I live. 🙂 We don't have large grocery
    stores. Although, we do have an ethnic section in the
    stores here. I'll check there, too.

    Regards, Ranee

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  13. "Ranee Mueller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I am looking for a tried and tested recipe for Gumbo
    which includes okra but not file powder. I don't want
    to have to order a special ingredient unless I
    absolutely have to at this point. I have a recipe I
    want to make, but it includes file, so I'm more
    interested in recipes without it for the technique than
    for the actual recipe. This is why I want it to be
    something you have tried yourself. Thank you!

    Regards, Ranee

    Ranee,

    Just don't add the file. You can't call it file gumbo is
    about the only difference. I wouldn't be surprised if there
    is over 100 different recipes for gumbo and I bet that not
    all of them use file.

    Bret

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  14. I can't immagine having any gumbo without file. I grew up in
    SE TX, right near the LA border. My Mother and my Aunts made
    gumbo all the time. They never cooked the file in the
    gumbo,okra or not, and it was put on the table and served as
    a condiment, to be sprinkled over the gumbo and rice after
    serving. I had it in LA a lot this way too.

    William [email hidden]

  15. (William Prien) said:

    I can't immagine having any gumbo without file. I grew up
    in SE TX, right near the LA border. My Mother and my Aunts
    made gumbo all the time. They never cooked the file in the
    gumbo,okra or not, and it was put on the table and served
    as a condiment, to be sprinkled over the gumbo and rice
    after serving. I had it in LA a lot this way too.

    William [email hidden]

    Filé always goes on at the table. If you cook it it
    turns into a nasty string mess. However, I've had okra
    gumbos without filé and filé gumbos without okra that
    worked out fine.

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, "Maverick"

    Quoted message said:

    Ranee,

    Just don't add the file. You can't call it file gumbo is
    about the only difference. I wouldn't be surprised if
    there is over 100 different recipes for gumbo and I bet
    that not all of them use file.

    Bret

    Well, that's pretty much what I did. I didn't make it
    that hot because of the boys, just a little hot sauce and
    cayenne in it, but served it with a chile vinegar that
    was quite nice. We froze the rest, because there was no
    way we could finish the entire recipe, and we're bringing
    it to church this Sunday for our coffee hour/after
    service meal.

    Regards, Ranee

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