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Lightning Thunderbolt Electrical Mods

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  1. Hello, all. I haven't written here in a few weeks. I ordered
    a Thunderbolt through Bikes @ Vienna and went in a month
    later with my Peugeot mountain bike. The Peugeot was the one
    with the odd 24-35-51 / 34-11 gear set. Adam at Bikes @
    Vienna swapped my Alivio controls, R443 FD, and LX RD from
    the Peugeot to the Thunderbolt, and the cranks from the
    Thunderbolt to the Peugeot. The Thunderbolt components
    including the cranks go on auction on ebay on Monday.

    But it didn't work. The Peugot was shifting well, but I
    asked Adam to swap the spacers from inboard the outer
    chainring to the inboard position. He did this, it wouldn't
    shift, and he gave up, claiming Lightning had misaligned the
    FD mounting tube. I took photos of both and overlaid them
    with rotation to align the position of the Peugeot seat tube
    and Thunderbolt FD mount tube, and found little difference,
    so I experimented with spacers and got the Thunderbolt
    shifting with some problems remaining.

    So I started working on the electricals. The Peugeot used an
    Ametek servo motor, 4 inches diameter by 5 inches long, at
    first low in the bottom bracket area chained to the cranks,
    then later, in the center of the frame diamond on a
    3/4 inch thick 14 inch diameter board chained to either the
    rear wheel or the cranks.

    That motor is now on the Thunderbolt, and is aligned and
    strongly mounted. What I did was go over to Home Depot and
    walk home with a ten foot piece of 4 inch plastic drain pipe
    on my shoulder. Then I cut off about eight inches of it,
    running down the length with a nibbler, marked with a
    carpenter's pencil and magnesium level extrusion, then
    strapping on a hose clamp, marking again, and cutting the
    circumference.

    I cut into the piece two long strips parallel to the axis,
    just to the depth that they could bend up into tabs and rest
    against the seat stay clamps on the Thunderbolt. I trimmed
    and drilled them and suspended the hollow pipe from the
    clamps, then bent a hose clamp to suspend it from the seat
    brace above. Then I put the motor in.

    I cut a notch to clear the exit cable relief on the rear
    side of the motor. I cut the pipe so when the motor aligned
    with the cut, adjacent the stay, the pinion cog was
    positioned right between the stay inner surface and fender
    outer surface for best chain clearance. Since the tabs
    weren't perfectly aligned, I twisted the pipe so the axial
    cut now had a slow spiral, aligning the axis of the motor
    with that of the rear axle. Then I marked the ends and cut
    the pipe flush.

    I fooled around with a four inch hole saw to match the
    contour of a 3 inch bit of 2x4 pressure treated wood with
    the motor and pipe, but ended up just relieving the center
    of each end. One end is full width for the motor. The other
    is narrow for the 3/4 inch seat brace. Both reliefs act as
    v-blocks. I planed the edges to clear the hose clamp. Then I
    twisted it again for alignment and clamped it all in place
    with the hose clamp, and tightened the seat stay clamps.
    It's solid, square, out of the way, and somewhat
    adjustablle. The rear hub to drive it hasn't been built yet.
    It hides nicely under the seat bag.

    Then I got on the pedal powered generator. I decided to use
    a 5 inch diameter, 3 inch wide, 225 rpm ceiling fan motor
    with advertised 5/8 inch but actually 17mm shaft. I got an
    adjustable stem with short extension from Nashbar and
    removed the clamp bolts. I wedged the clamp open with a
    chisel, removed the plastic cap from the open end of the FD
    mount tube, and bumped it on with a rubber hammer, without
    damaging the paint. Then I installed the clamp bolts, with
    about 1/8 inch of stemp clamp over the end of the tube, as
    it ended up flush with the derailer mounting clamp. I'll
    mill it a bit narrower later.

    I unscrewed the stem angle adjuster and retracted the
    multisplined insert. I clamped the stem body in the mill
    with axis vertical and used a 3/4 inch diameter 60 degree
    double angle cutter to mill 30 degree ramps on the stem's
    handlbar clamp area, just evening out some roughness in the
    forging, not interfering with later use as a stem, so that
    the motor would sit nicely on a 120 degree v block. Then I
    strapped the core of the motor to the stem with another hose
    clamp and reinstalled the stem body with the adjusted. It
    ended up setting at 20 degrees rise. It's graduated on the
    side in 5 degree incremements. It may go up or down 5
    degrees to adjust the chain for slack.

    I'd previously removed the motor core and started machining
    a 3/16 x 3/32 inch slot for the integral key in the 8 tooth
    pinion modified to 2mm width by Jensen using a go cart
    pinion for 40 chain as the starting material. I love that
    integral key. It sure beats fiddling with a tiny bit of
    metal, a square 3/16 on a side and about 1/2 inch long, the
    usual removable key. So I got into the slot using a 5/32
    inch end mill, 0.005 inch per pass, but something wasn't
    right and I realized it was a 17 mm shaft, not 5/8, so I am
    taking it to Jensen to have them turn it. Good thing I
    didn't finish the slot through. It wouldn't center on
    Jensen's lathe if I had. It has a 1/2 inch hollow shaft so
    the slot will eventuall have to go through. I asked Surplus
    Center for a credit and recommended they edit their web site
    to show the correct shaft size.

    You see, an AC motor has its windings on the outside, not
    the inside like the DC motor generator. This way, they can
    use heavier wire with less resistance as there is more
    volume to work with. This reduces generator source impedance
    and increases the range of operation. The eight inch white
    LED traffic signal module donated by Dialite will be powered
    directly by this AC motor in generator mode, operating over
    a range of 80 - 135 VAC. That's a relatively good range for
    pedaling, comparable to 40-67 rpm. You have to "hit" the AC
    motor with DC from the road powered generator to polarize it
    each time it starts. An automatic circuit based on brake
    lever switches may do this.

    I have the book/pamphlet "Alternator Secrets" from Lindsay
    Publications and may reorder it, as some of my books are
    in storage.

    Here's an amateur radio operator's induction generator page:

    qsl.netInduction Generator.html

    I had already mounted a Nite Rider Universal Mount to the FD
    mounting tube below the FD, and yesterday remounted it with
    the rubber strip for a solid mount. The FD cable ends up
    between the clamp screw and tube, and needs a ferrule. Bikes
    @ Vienna provided it without one.

    As it turned out, the FD cable stop didn't need to be moved
    but Lightning may move it in production if they choose to
    recommend the Nite Rider gear for their bike. Frame mounted
    headlights are less distacting to the rider. I haven't got
    the Trail Rat, 7.2 W bulb, or 1 W tail light yet, and won't
    until I have integrated the tiny 6 V 1.5 A dc-dc converter
    supplied by TI as a sample inside the DC motor/generator,
    and add the 2.5 x 5.5 mm output jack called "Sure-Loc" or
    something like that by Nite Rider.

    The eight inch LED module is to be installed into the nose
    of a Windwrap GX fairing with rubber windshield molding to
    be purchased from JC Whitney. I'll probably build an
    adjustable router with my Unimat One components and mill the
    required hole for a good seal to the rubber, routing six
    circular slots separately first, then breaking them out and
    filing smooth. The six tabs will keep the router support
    centered. If you just go round a full circle you have no
    support as you near the end.

    The DC motor will have an automotive power adapter
    (cigarette lighter socket) on an SPT-2 lead through the
    existing bushing, providing direct connection to
    unregulated generated power and the possibility for
    takeoff drive assist. Taking off in this recumbent is
    hard. It's SWB and squirrely at low starting speeds, but
    then I am stil learning. Then my inverter can be plugged
    in, or my ultracapacitor pack for a "freewheel" effect,
    extending coasting.

    Two Nashbar brake wire operated switches have been received
    and will be installed, with the right lever operating the
    right tail light, and the left etc., so I can signal stop
    and turn like I used to on my Jawa moped, by operating the
    brake levers together, or just tapping one at a time while
    pressing the other one a bit so that from the rear you see
    one solid light and the one to the turn side blinking with
    each tap. The in between wiring will have to be extended.
    Nashbar's price for the rear brake designed, seat post
    mounted brake light and switch is only ten dollars.

    I have a handlbar mounted set of two 20 W dimmable compact
    fluorescent spiral bulbs in clamp on desk lamp shades
    mounted to a pair of Space Bars, but probably will not add
    them anytime soon.

    Any questions?

    Yours,

    Doug Goncz ( ftp://users.aol.com/DGoncz/ )

    My physics project at NVCC:
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