Cervical cancer

You should find out what is the most effective treatment for
your condition, then be wondering why you have a cervix!
*sorry couldn't resist* When and if the condition tends to
cancer, in which case it becomes incurable in mainstream,
then you start looking for treatments that might help, with
shreds of evidence behind them. As for the incurable case ,
Personally I would go for full on Gerson, proteolytic
enzymes and vitamin A emulsion, and just to [censored] my doctor
off some Laetrile added in also. Anth

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I am looking for an alternative treatment for cervical
cancer. If a lady shows high level dysplasia in two
successive Pap smears, what would be the best thing to do?

1. chelation
2. contact reflex analysis
3. NAET bottles
4. liquid oxygen douche
5. laetrile infusion
6. Hulda zapper
7. Rife zapper
8. coloured light
9. urine therapy
10. coprophagia
11. amalgam removal
12. homeopathic preparation of oil of papilloma
13. ginseng (Korean, not Chinese)
14. medical marijuana
15. prayer
16. cell salts
17. Perkin's tractors
18. proactive phrenology
19. coffee enema
20. chiropractic adjustment

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Quoted message said:

I am looking for an alternative treatment for cervical
cancer. If a lady shows high level dysplasia in two
successive Pap smears, what would be the best thing to do?

1. chelation
2. contact reflex analysis
3. NAET bottles
4. liquid oxygen douche
5. laetrile infusion
6. Hulda zapper
7. Rife zapper
8. coloured light
9. urine therapy
10. coprophagia
11. amalgam removal
12. homeopathic preparation of oil of papilloma
13. ginseng (Korean, not Chinese)
14. medical marijuana
15. prayer
16. cell salts
17. Perkin's tractors
18. proactive phrenology
19. coffee enema
20. chiropractic adjustment

--
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ratbags.comgreenlightOpen ↗ Quintessence of the Loon
ratbags.comloonOpen ↗ To email me use my first name
only at ratbags.com

Try them all. But don't forget to blame EOM if it
doesn't work.

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The Spider Web is to catch spam.
Brush it aside to email me.

Doug

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Quoted message said:

You should find out what is the most effective treatment
for your

condition,

Quoted message said:

then be wondering why you have a cervix! *sorry couldn't
resist* When and if the condition tends to cancer, in
which case it becomes incurable in mainstream,

Why this, Anth? You should know by now that the cure rate of
cervical cancer (i.e. established cancer) is quite high if
it is found before it has spread beyond the cervix, which it
should mostly be if women are paying attention..

It is an alt, trait to think of cancer as "cancer". It is
actually a myriad of different types, stages and grades.
It is mainly metastatic cancer that is difficult to treat,
and cures are now being obtained with certain examples of
that such as lymphoma, testicular cancer and most
childhood cancers..

Quoted message said:

then you start looking for treatments that might help, with
shreds of evidence behind them. As for the incurable case ,
Personally I would go for full on Gerson, proteolytic
enzymes and vitamin A emulsion, and just to [censored] my doctor
off some Laetrile added in also.

Have you tried the full Gerson regime, Anth? I suspect it
only seems as though you are living longer, from all
reports. All those coffee enemata!!

Peter Moran

Quoted message said:

Anth

Quoted message said:

Subject: Cervical cancer
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 4/28/2004 3:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

I am looking for an alternative treatment for
cervical cancer.

google.comgoogle.comOpen ↗

<snip attempt to belittle alternative medicine>

Jan

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"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:24GdnWMi-tZmARLdRVn-
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You should find out what is the most effective treatment
for your

condition,

Quoted message said:

then be wondering why you have a cervix! *sorry couldn't
resist* When and if the condition tends to cancer, in
which case it becomes incurable in mainstream,

Why this, Anth? You should know by now that the cure rate
of cervical cancer (i.e. established cancer) is quite high
if it is found before it

has

Quoted message said:

spread beyond the cervix, which it should mostly be if
women are paying attention..

Yeah but it can and does become incurable under mainstream,
in which case you will be offered palliative care, which
personally would not take. I would fight to survive. For
instance if I had inoperable cancer, took Coley's, reduced
this down to operable, then I could resort back to
mainstream for help.

Quoted message said:

It is an alt, trait to think of cancer as "cancer". It is
actually a

myriad

Quoted message said:

of different types, stages and grades. It is mainly
metastatic cancer

that

Quoted message said:

is difficult to treat, and cures are now being obtained
with certain examples of that such as lymphoma, testicular
cancer and most childhood cancers..

Of course yes I am aware some different grades of cancer and
how this effects the prognosis.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then you start looking for treatments that might help,
with shreds of evidence behind them. As for the incurable
case , Personally I would go for full on Gerson,
proteolytic enzymes and vitamin A emulsion, and just to
[censored] my doctor

off

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

some Laetrile added in also.

Have you tried the full Gerson regime, Anth? I suspect it
only seems as though you are living longer, from all
reports. All those coffee

enemata!!

Actually I've tried Gerson (without the enemas) and I do now
consume juices on a regular basis - Gerson was a very boring
and time consuming chore to say the least but I hacked it. I
also started taking vitamin c and my borderline blood
pressure took a nose dive to textbook perfect. As a whole I
don't feel any different and I am a little fatter. I have
also spoken to people who are on the Gerson diet and have
been for many years. One woman I spoke to had debulking
(surgery) for stage III ovarian cancer and and alive and
well on Gerson many years after her diagonosis. (Of course
you would say that she was probably cured by surgery etc)

Why did the Gerson study at the OASIS have so many survivors
in stage 1,2,3 melanoma?

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Peter Moran

Anth

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You should find out what is the most effective
treatment for your

condition,

Quoted message said:

then be wondering why you have a cervix! *sorry
couldn't resist* When and if the condition tends to
cancer, in which case it becomes incurable in
mainstream,

Why this, Anth? You should know by now that the cure
rate of cervical cancer (i.e. established cancer) is
quite high if it is found before it

has

Quoted message said:

spread beyond the cervix, which it should mostly be if
women are paying attention..

Yeah but it can and does become incurable under
mainstream, in which case you will be offered palliative
care, which personally would not take.

Quoted message said:

I would fight to survive. For instance if I had inoperable
cancer, took Coley's, reduced this down

to

Quoted message said:

operable, then I could resort back to mainstream for help.

Quoted message said:

It is an alt, trait to think of cancer as "cancer". It
is actually a

myriad

Quoted message said:

of different types, stages and grades. It is mainly
metastatic cancer

that

Quoted message said:

is difficult to treat, and cures are now being obtained
with certain examples of that such as lymphoma,
testicular cancer and most childhood cancers..

Of course yes I am aware some different grades of cancer
and how this effects the prognosis.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

then you start looking for treatments that might help,
with shreds of evidence behind them. As for the
incurable case , Personally I would go for full on
Gerson, proteolytic enzymes and vitamin A emulsion, and
just to [censored] my doctor

off

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

some Laetrile added in also.

Have you tried the full Gerson regime, Anth? I suspect
it only seems as though you are living longer, from all
reports. All those coffee

enemata!!

Actually I've tried Gerson (without the enemas) and I do
now consume

juices

Quoted message said:

on a regular basis - Gerson was a very boring and time
consuming chore to say the least but I hacked it. I also
started taking vitamin c and my borderline blood
pressure took a

nose

Quoted message said:

dive to textbook perfect. As a whole I don't feel any
different and I am a little fatter. I have also spoken to
people who are on the Gerson diet and have been for many
years. One woman I spoke to had debulking (surgery) for
stage III ovarian cancer and and alive and well on Gerson
many years after her diagonosis. (Of course you would say
that she was probably cured by surgery etc)

Why did the Gerson study at the OASIS have so many
survivors in stage

1,2,3

Quoted message said:

melanoma?

1. They included small numbers of level 1 and some early
level 2 melanomata which have an excellent prognosis with
simple excision. Bad decision, as it calls into question
the rigour with which staging has been performed.

2. Their follow-up was poor. From memory about a fifth
of their patients were lost to follow-up. If most of
the lost patieints died that would completely change
their figures.

3. The numbers in most groups are too small to be
statistically significant.

4. If you take out eleven survivors who had excellent
prognoses the results don't look that good when there
were no survivors in over eighty patients with more
advanced stages of melanoma.

5. They chose melanoma because they thought their results
were quite good with that. I don't think they are
particularly good.

Retrospective studies like this are always unconvincing.
They should concentrate on producing a series of patients
with measurable cancer who show a measurable rate of clear
cut cancer remission. Too high a hurdle? [censored]. That is
what their testimonials promise to cancer patients.

Peter Moran

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Quoted message said:

Peter Moran

Anth

Peter Bowditch said:

I am looking for an alternative treatment for cervical
cancer. If a lady shows high level dysplasia in two
successive Pap smears, what would be the best thing to do?

nevdgp.org.auac colposcopy conebOpen ↗
iopsy.htm cone-biopsy.orgcone-biopsy.orgOpen ↗ J

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Cervical cancer
From: J [email hidden]
Date: 4/29/2004 4:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

nevdgp.org.auac colposcopy coneOpen ↗
biopsy.htm

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for
"alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut
and burn" by the alties...

Quoted message said:

cone-biopsy.orgcone-biopsy.orgOpen ↗ J

hawki.....

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for
"alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered "cut
and burn" by the alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for
"alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered
"cut and burn" by the alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early
detection of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and
doctors he works for appreciate his work because it allows
them to achieve a very high success rate in treating a
potentially fatal condition using a simple and safe surgical
procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given
ludicrous and dangerous advice (see repeated message below).
The reaction from alt supporters ranged from ridicule to
apathy. I posted my collection of suggestions to see if I
could get any of the alt believers to say that even one of
them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a
breakthrough in the development of a vaccine against the
virus which causes cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination
liars geared up to fight it. They extended their contempt
for children to include adult women as well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark
mailing list:

<quote> Hey all, I haven't posted much here, just lurking
and reading and trying to keep up with Dr. Clark's methods.
Here's my problem. I was diagnosed with dysplasia of the
cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6 months, I've been
doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my dental
work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming
everything was going to be good. Well, I got the results
this morning. It's STILL High grade dysplasia. I'm at a
loss as to what to do now besides surgery to have the
dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really
doesn't say much about the cervix.

Lisa </quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver
(both orally and topically), plus one person who offered a
purge recipe to "warm the cervix". My favourite, however,
has to be : "Something that's about 100% effective is ozone
insufflation". In the real world, something which is "about
100% effective" is a simple surgical procedure carried out
under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a deadly
disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide
each year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death
to quackery.

--
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The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsolesOpen ↗
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Quintessence of the Loon ratbags.comloonOpen ↗
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

Peter Bowditch said:

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for
"alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered
"cut and burn" by the alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early
detection of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists and
doctors he works for appreciate his work because it allows
them to achieve a very high success rate in treating a
potentially fatal condition using a simple and safe
surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to let the
women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being given
ludicrous and dangerous advice (see repeated message
below). The reaction from alt supporters ranged from
ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection of suggestions
to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say that
even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the
same - ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a
breakthrough in the development of a vaccine against the
virus which causes cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination
liars geared up to fight it. They extended their contempt
for children to include adult women as well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark
mailing list:

<quote> Hey all, I haven't posted much here, just lurking
and reading and trying to keep up with Dr. Clark's methods.
Here's my problem. I was diagnosed with dysplasia of the
cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6 months, I've been
doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had my dental
work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming
everything was going to be good. Well, I got the results
this morning. It's STILL High grade dysplasia. I'm at a
loss as to what to do now besides surgery to have the
dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really
doesn't say much about the cervix.

Lisa </quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal silver
(both orally and topically), plus one person who offered a
purge recipe to "warm the cervix". My favourite, however,
has to be : "Something that's about 100% effective is ozone
insufflation". In the real world, something which is "about
100% effective" is a simple surgical procedure carried out
under local anaesthetic.We are talking about a deadly
disease here, one which kills countless women worldwide
each year.When Lisa dies, nobody will attribute the death
to quackery.

It appears that the primary purpose of most of the more
vocal and rabid alties is to demonize conventional medicine
while falsely promoting alternative medicine. Toward that
end they are averse to recommending a conventional treatment
and even more averse to criticizing an alternative
treatment. IT matters little to them if the consequence of
their recommendation means death to the person. What only
matters is that alternative medicine is promoted. Sad that.

Aloha, Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Actually you are talking [censored] as I demonstrated with Coley's
toxins. I was told Coley's toxins were of no therapeutic
value at all. When I dug out the randomised blinded study
people changed their minds. Now how much more of these
'quack cures' could offer terminal patients hope and a
possible cure? Consider that. Anth

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Peter Bowditch said:

J said:

Hawki63 wrote:

> thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking
> for "alternative" treatment
>
> simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered
> "cut and burn"

by the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the
early detection of possible cervical cancer. The
pathologists and doctors he works for appreciate his work
because it allows them to achieve a very high success
rate in treating a potentially fatal condition using a
simple and safe surgical procedure. The "alternative"
method is to let the women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being
given ludicrous and dangerous advice (see repeated
message below). The reaction from alt supporters ranged
from ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection of
suggestions to see if I could get any of the alt
believers to say that even one of them was ridiculous,
but the reaction was the same - ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a
breakthrough in the development of a vaccine against the
virus which causes cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination
liars geared up to fight it. They extended their contempt
for children to include adult women as well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark
mailing list:

<quote> Hey all, I haven't posted much here, just lurking
and reading and trying to keep up with Dr. Clark's
methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed with
dysplasia of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past
6 months, I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even
went and had my dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming
everything was going to be good. Well, I got the results
this morning. It's STILL High grade dysplasia. I'm at a
loss as to what to do now besides surgery to have the
dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases"
really doesn't say much about the cervix.

Lisa </quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal
silver (both orally and topically), plus one person who
offered a purge recipe to "warm the cervix". My
favourite, however, has to be : "Something that's about
100% effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple
surgical procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We
are talking about a deadly disease here, one which kills
countless women worldwide each year.When Lisa dies,
nobody will attribute the death to quackery.

It appears that the primary purpose of most of the more
vocal and rabid alties is to demonize conventional
medicine while falsely promoting alternative medicine.
Toward that end they are averse to recommending a
conventional treatment and even more averse to criticizing
an alternative treatment. IT matters little to them if the
consequence of their recommendation means death to the
person. What only matters is that alternative medicine is
promoted. Sad that.

Aloha, Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you are a
liar) Anth

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Quoted message said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking for
"alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered
"cut and burn" by

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

Peter Bowditch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

J said:

Hawki63 said:

thanks for posting these..however the OP was looking
for "alternative" treatment

simple excision (ie cone or LEEP) would be considered
"cut and burn" by the alties...

I'm aware of that but I'm into saving lives. (not fairy
tales) gynalternatives.comcervical.htmOpen ↗ J

You must be new here. My brother is an expert in the early
detection of possible cervical cancer. The pathologists
and doctors he works for appreciate his work because it
allows them to achieve a very high success rate in
treating a potentially fatal condition using a simple and
safe surgical procedure. The "alternative" method is to
let the women die.

I has originally posted a message about a woman being
given ludicrous and dangerous advice (see repeated message
below). The reaction from alt supporters ranged from
ridicule to apathy. I posted my collection of suggestions
to see if I could get any of the alt believers to say that
even one of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the
same - ridicule or silence.

By the way, on the day that some researchers announced a
breakthrough in the development of a vaccine against the
virus which causes cervical cancer, the anti-vaccination
liars geared up to fight it. They extended their contempt
for children to include adult women as well.

Here is my original message:

The following message was recently posted to the Dr Clark
mailing list:

<quote> Hey all, I haven't posted much here, just lurking
and reading and trying to keep up with Dr. Clark's
methods. Here's my problem. I was diagnosed with dysplasia
of the cervix (pre-cancer cells). For the past 6 months,
I've been doing the Dr. Clark thing. I even went and had
my dental work done.

I went back two weeks ago and had a repap assuming
everything was going to be good. Well, I got the results
this morning. It's STILL High grade dysplasia. I'm at a
loss as to what to do now besides surgery to have the
dysplasia removed.

Any suggestions? Her book "A Cure For All Diseases" really
doesn't say much about the cervix.

Lisa </quote>

Suggestions so far have mainly been to use colloidal
silver (both orally and topically), plus one person who
offered a purge recipe to "warm the cervix". My favourite,
however, has to be : "Something that's about 100%
effective is ozone insufflation". In the real world,
something which is "about 100% effective" is a simple
surgical procedure carried out under local anaesthetic.We
are talking about a deadly disease here, one which kills
countless women worldwide each year.When Lisa dies, nobody
will attribute the death to quackery.

Early detection & treatment of cervical dysplasia & cervical
cancer is highly successful. Unfortunately, idiots who
advise women to avoid these proven methods will have no
problem lying again & denying their role in the deaths of
these patients.

Anth said:

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you are
a liar) Anth

and the lie was ? tinyurl.com23nruOpen ↗ (find it - then
post the tinyurl to it) J

Peter Bowditch said:

<snipped> I posted my collection of suggestions to see if
I could get any of the alt believers to say that even one
of them was ridiculous, but the reaction was the same -
ridicule or silence.

I see. Thank you for explaining. J

That alt therapies for cancer are ineffective. Coley's
toxins demonstrated efficacy in a double blind clinical
trial.(I have the studies in front of me) Anth

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Quoted message said:

Anth said:

(If you are the J who runs alt.support.cancer imo you
are a liar) Anth

and the lie was ? tinyurl.com23nruOpen ↗ (find it - then
post the tinyurl to it) J