Silly hats

Doki said:

Are they as bloody horrible as the one I had 10 years ago?
IE capable of roasting 30% of your brain cells on a sunny
day? Has anyone actually worked out whether I'm more or
less likely to hurt myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

The way you put the question reminded me of...

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(Your reactions are allegedly slower if you're wearing a
helmet, due to brain overheating. And if, heaven forbid,
you're playing Cricket.)

But I don't think anyone can honestly give you a clear-cut,
evidence-based answer.

AC

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Quoted message said:

Are they as bloody horrible as the one I had 10 years ago?
IE capable of roasting 30% of your brain cells on a sunny
day? Has anyone actually

worked

Quoted message said:

out whether I'm more or less likely to hurt myself when
I'm wearing a (expletive deleted)

Come on Doki! Get with it! How long have you been using this
group? Just do a quick h*lmet check on Google. Should keep
you occupied for a millenium or so ;-)
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<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Are they as bloody horrible as the one I had 10 years ago?
IE capable of roasting 30% of your brain cells on a sunny
day? Has anyone actually worked out whether I'm more or
less likely to hurt myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

Thud thud thud.......

I've just found they are very useful for stopping a sore
forehead when hitting against the desk.

A thread was started on the 19th April entitled obscurely
'Helmets', it now contains over 460 posts (admittedly not
all about helmets), I suggest that it's better to go over
and read that thread rather than have another one.

If that isn't enough a quick Google Groups on Helmets
should satisfy.

You know, the suggestions that you lurk for a couple for
weeks on a groups before posting has it's merits......
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Chris French, Leeds

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Quoted message said:

Are they as bloody horrible as the one I had 10 years
ago? IE capable of roasting 30% of your brain cells on a
sunny day?

Depends on what sort of hat you mean. I think a balaclava
(spelling?) would be hot, you may be better off with a cap
of some description.

Quoted message said:

Has anyone actually worked out whether I'm more or less
likely to hurt myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

'They' haven't worked it out, but they have discussed it at
great length. Google search this group for 'helmet' and you
may find a few hits.

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:03:16 +0100, "Doki" <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

roasting 30% of your brain cells on a sunny day? Has anyone
actually worked out whether I'm more or less likely to hurt
myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

You have a choice: either onw which is as hot as that and
conforms to the equivalent standard (Snell B95) or one which
is much less hot and heavy, but conforms (if you are lucky)
to a much lower standard.

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Just zis Guy said:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:03:16 +0100, "Doki"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

roasting 30% of your brain cells on a sunny day? Has
anyone actually worked out whether I'm more or less likely
to hurt myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

You have a choice: either onw which is as hot as that and
conforms to the equivalent standard (Snell B95) or one
which is much less hot and heavy, but conforms (if you are
lucky) to a much lower standard.

Weird, isn't it - look at Giro's website and the only
standard they mention is CE, which has nothing to do with
crash tests.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:58:22 +0100, chris French
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

A thread was started on the 19th April entitled obscurely
'Helmets', it now contains over 460 posts (admittedly not
all about helmets), I suggest that it's better to go over
and read that thread rather than have another one.

I'm with Doki: the question was a fair and unusual one.

<url:http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mainframes.html#1081.htm-
l> refers.

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Doki said:

I've been here a while, and I've seen the various threads
on helmet compulsion and read bits of them. I've not seen
anyone say anything about if they've improved any since I
last had one.

They are generally made to a lower European standard these
days. They are sold more on design than anything else.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Weird, isn't it - look at Giro's website and the only
standard they mention is CE, which has nothing to do with
crash tests.

If you look at their American website then you can see which
models conform to ANSI (or such was certainly the case when
I was looking for a new lid about a year ago).

When I e-mailed Giro asking why such information wasn't made
readily available in the UK, the reply was that ANSI and
Snell standards aren't meaningful to UK consumers, who are
instead looking for CE compliance. Duh!

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Quoted message said:

I've been here a while, and I've seen the various threads
on helmet compulsion and read bits of them.

Quoted message said:

They are generally made to a lower European standard
these days.

Yes, the old British Standard helmet threads were much
better <gd&r>

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:45:48 +0100, Zog The Undeniable
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been here a while, and I've seen the various
threads on helmet compulsion and read bits of them.

Quoted message said:

They are generally made to a lower European standard
these days.

Yes, the old British Standard helmet threads were much
better <gd&r>

Of course, that standard was well exceeded by the Snell
standards, which produced the finest, flamiest threads,
many of which were terminated by mutual submission to
Godwin's Law.
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I'm with Doki: the question was a fair and unusual one.

and one that was asked by me on the 9th April

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the sport for you.

Simon Brooke said:

The newer one is a less demanding standard, so helmets
made to the new standard are allegedly weaker

Not "allegedly" according to the man who tests them.

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Doki said:

Are they as bloody horrible as the one I had 10 years
ago? IE capable of roasting 30% of your brain cells on a
sunny day?

They're a lot better now than they used to be in the Old
Days. My first one was a Vetta, similar in size and mass to
a coal scuttle, which caused one's brane to melt even at low
levels of output. The Specialised King Cobra wot I use for
commuting is several orders of magnitude cooler, while the
Giro Pneumo wot is my race hat is better still. And so it
should be at /that/ price...

As to being hurt, a WVM once took a swing at me during a
heated altercation concerning his right to turn left across
my bows without engaging that which passed for his brain
first. I didn't notice the knuckle-shaped dents in it until
I got to work, but I'm betting WVM lit up and said "tilt"...

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"Doki" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Has anyone actually worked out whether I'm more or less
likely to hurt myself when I'm wearing a helmet?

No, not conclusively. You also need to define what you mean
by "hurt myself". My interpretation of the available
evidence is that wearing a helmet you are:

- slightly more likely to have an accident
- more likely to bang your head if you do have an accident
- more likely to suffer a facial injury
- more likely to hurt your neck
- much less likely to sustain a minor head injury,
particularly to the top of your head
- very slightly more likely (but still very unlikely) to
sustain a serious brain injury or be killed

I stress this is my personal interpretation of the available
evidence. More effort needs to go into research to find out
why increased helmet use does not appear to bring benefits
at a population level. Less effort needs to go into
promoting a safety device whose effects are so little
understood for use in an activity which is not particularly
dangerous.

--
Dave...

Dave Larrington said:

As to being hurt, a WVM once took a swing at me during a
heated altercation concerning his right to turn left
across my bows without engaging that which passed for his
brain first. I didn't notice the knuckle-shaped dents in
it until I got to work, but I'm betting WVM lit up and
said "tilt"...

I got wildly gesticulated at by a WVM today, only he was
going the opposite way down a road wide enough for three
cars to travel abreast comfortable, and I was keeping well
in to the side. All other drivers seemed OK, and passed
safely at reasonable distance. One coming the other way even
stopped overtaking whiles't going past me. Dunno what was
wrong with the WVM.

- Richard

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Quoted message said:

Dave Larrington said:

As to being hurt, a WVM once took a swing at me during a
heated altercation concerning his right to turn left
across my bows without engaging that which passed for his
brain first. I didn't notice the knuckle-shaped dents in
it until I got to work, but I'm betting WVM lit up and
said "tilt"...

I got wildly gesticulated at by a WVM today, only he was
going the opposite way down a road wide enough for three
cars to travel abreast comfortable, and I was keeping well
in to the side. All other drivers seemed OK, and passed
safely at reasonable distance. One coming the other way
even stopped overtaking whiles't going past me. Dunno what
was wrong with the WVM.

Probably a friend or neighbour.

I think gesticulating back at a car that's tooting
frantically at you only to find they're doing it to say
hello (or being tempted to gesticulate back) is the best way
there is to learn to temper your reactions.

A

Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

If you look at their American website then you can see
which models conform to ANSI (or such was certainly the
case when I was looking for a new lid about a year ago).

But can you be sure that a model sold in the UK is identical
to the model of the same name sold in the US?

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I said:

Quoted message said:

If you look at their American website then you can see
which models conform to ANSI (or such was certainly the
case when I was looking for a new lid about a year ago).

and Dave Kahn responded:

Quoted message said:

But can you be sure that a model sold in the UK is
identical to the model of the same name sold in the US?

That's a fair point that hadn't occurred to me. The specs
are otherwise the same and I'd expect them to be made in the
same factory.

When I finally bought my Giro Eclipse I found that the box
/does/ mention ANSI certification. It's just not mentioned
on any sticker inside the lid (as Snell and ASTM
certification /used/ to be, before the CE certification
came in), or seemingly in any Giro literature intended for
the UK market.

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