How is emphsema diagnosed

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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema diagnosed?
How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety of lab
& radilogically based testing. Why not try using WebMD or
ask your doctor, you Steaming Bag of Spamming Feces?

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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety
of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor,
you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So... ilsa is still turned on by solid waste. Kinky little
thing mentions it at every opportunity. Tell us ilsa, do you
prefer to smear it on yourself, or do you prefer that some
one else do it for you?

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Quoted message said:

How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety
of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your doctor,
you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to
diagnose a disease, just how to be obnoxious.

Interesting article on emphysema and mice, of course this
hardly proves anything in humans.
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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
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Well, we are moving forward, but the question I asked was
how do you diagnose a patient with emphysema, asthma and/or
congestive heart failure.

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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if
you are to be true in your allegiance to alternative
medicine you must learn to use the correct diagnostic
vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which try to
separate illnesses into different categories so that the
right drug or surgical operation or physical modality (all
EOM constructs) can be used. They are a vital part of the
<you-know-what> that keeps us all under the thrall of the
drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins",
"parasites", the "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly
ignored these days), TCM phrases such as "too much heat in
the triple burner", aspartame or amalgam illnesses, an
immune system that won't make it to sunrise (although that's
an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used sparingly
and in as mystical a way as possible), and the all-important
"energy imbalance". I think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
anything that suggests scientific medicine may actually know
something about disease. Just get onto any alt list, tell
them your symptoms and they nurture you back into health in
the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this morning. If
your question is serious these conditions can be easily
separated by a combination of patient history, physical
examination and investigations that might include chest xray
and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative practitioner
would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but if
you are to be

true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must learn
to use the

correct

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diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts, which
try to separate illnesses into different categories so
that the right drug or surgical operation or physical
modality (all EOM constructs) can be used. They

are

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a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all
under the thrall of the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins",
"parasites", the "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so
quietly ignored these days), TCM phrases such as "too much
heat in the triple burner", aspartame or amalgam
illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise
(although that's an idea borrowed from EOM and which
should be used sparingly and in as mystical a way as
possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance". I
think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
anything that

suggests

Quoted message said:

scientific medicine may actually know something about
disease. Just get onto any alt list, tell them your
symptoms and they nurture you back into health in the most
efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this
morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a
combination of patient history, physical examination and
investigations that might

include

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chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No alternative
practitioner would have the appropriate training and
experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a
disease. Isn't this enlightening?

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How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but
if you are to be

true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must
learn to use the

correct

Quoted message said:

diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts,
which try to

separate

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Quoted message said:

illnesses into different categories so that the right
drug or surgical operation or physical modality (all EOM
constructs) can be used. They

are

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a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all
under the thrall

of

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the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of
"toxins", "parasites",

the

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"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored
these days), TCM phrases such as "too much heat in the
triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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Quoted message said:

illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to
sunrise (although

that's

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an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used
sparingly and in as mystical a way as possible), and the
all-important "energy imbalance".

I

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think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
anything that

suggests

Quoted message said:

scientific medicine may actually know something about
disease. Just

get

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onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they
nurture you back

into

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health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this
morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by a
combination of patient history, physical examination and
investigations that might

include

Quoted message said:

chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No
alternative

practitioner

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would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a
disease. Isn't this enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

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>How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
>diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
>

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety
of lab &

radilogically

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based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your
doctor, you

Steaming

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Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to
diagnose a disease, just how to be obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming
Feces who is in DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised
cavitation

procedure is

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pure ass-clownery.

Well, it appears that you are one sick puppy.

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"Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
> diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure
> diagnosed?

Apologies if you do have a serious health problem, but
if you are to

be

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true

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in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must
learn to use the

correct

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diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts,
which try to

separate

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

illnesses into different categories so that the right
drug or surgical operation or physical modality (all
EOM constructs) can be used.

They

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

are

Quoted message said:

a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us all
under the thrall

of

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Quoted message said:

the drug companies.

Illness can be completely described in terms of
"toxins", "parasites",

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored
these days), TCM phrases such as "too much heat in the
triple burner", aspartame or

amalgam

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to
sunrise (although

that's

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used
sparingly and in as mystical a way as possible), and
the all-important "energy imbalance".

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

think that about covers it.

Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
anything that

suggests

Quoted message said:

scientific medicine may actually know something about
disease. Just

get

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they
nurture you back

into

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

health in the most efficient way possible.

Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this
morning. If your

question

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is serious these conditions can be easily separated by
a combination

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

patient history, physical examination and
investigations that might

include

Quoted message said:

chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No
alternative

practitioner

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would have the appropriate training and experience.

Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a
disease. Isn't

this

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enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk here
and that you seem to think are bright enough to post, have
suggested that I still have emphysema. My point was to show
that these same individuals don't even know how to diagnose
the disease nevermind have the credibility to judge its
state. Its a demonstration of their lack of credibility.

Well Dave your doc has already demonstrated to you that
your disease is going away, so why bother? You and your doc
have the truth, so what matters - you are not going to
convince any of the sceptics on here ? If you did convince
another person or even a doctor on here, they would become
the 'quack' and the process would continue. Just my
thoughts.. Anth

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>
> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> al.com...
> > How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
> > diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure
> > diagnosed?
>
> Apologies if you do have a serious health problem,
> but if you are to

be

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true
> in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must
> learn to use the
correct
> diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts,
> which try to

separate

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> illnesses into different categories so that the
> right drug or

surgical

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> operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs)
> can be used.

They

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are
> a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us
> all under the

thrall

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of

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> the drug companies.
>
> Illness can be completely described in terms of
> "toxins",

"parasites",

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the

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> "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored
> these days),

TCM

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> phrases such as "too much heat in the triple
> burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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> illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to
> sunrise (although

that's

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> an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used
> sparingly and in

as

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> mystical a way as possible), and the all-important
> "energy

imbalance".

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I

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> think that about covers it.
>
> Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
> anything that
suggests
> scientific medicine may actually know something
> about disease.

Just

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get

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> onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they
> nurture you back

into

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> health in the most efficient way possible.
>
> Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this
> morning. If your
question
> is serious these conditions can be easily separated
> by a combination

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> patient history, physical examination and
> investigations that might
include
> chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No
> alternative

practitioner

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> would have the appropriate training and experience.
>
> Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a
disease. Isn't

this

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enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk
here and that you seem to think are bright enough to post,
have suggested that I still have emphysema. My point was
to show that these same individuals don't even know how to
diagnose the disease nevermind have the credibility to
judge its state. Its a demonstration of their lack of
credibility.

In article <[email hidden]>,

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>How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
>diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure diagnosed?
>
>

They are diagnosed by Medical Doctors using a variety
of lab &

radilogically

Quoted message said:

based testing. Why not try using WebMD or ask your
doctor, you Steaming

Bag of

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Spamming Feces?

So, what you are saying is, you haven't a clue how to
diagnose a disease, just how to be obnoxious.

No, what I'm saying is that you are a Lazy Bag of Spamming
Feces who is in DENIAL of his REAL DISEASES!

Your MLM products cannot save you and your ill-advised
cavitation procedure is pure ass-clownery.

Now, now, Ilsa -- you're just repeating the ol' EOM line.
It's obvious to any observer that Spammin' Dave doesn't
really have asthma or emphysema. Indeed, the very *idea* of
those diseases is just part of the EOM conspiracy.

Spammin' Dave can easily cure his problem by taking up
smoking. I'd suggest Old Gold unfiltered cigarettes for
maximum effect.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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From: "Peter Moran"

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No alternative practitioner would have the appropriate
training and experience.

Peter knows all the alternative practitioners in the world
and their training.

NOT!

Peter an organized medicine member, who uses the red flag
when the word alternative appears. Comes from the
brainwshing.

Close-minded people can take comfort in knowing that they
are right.

Jan

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Peter Moran said:

Illness can be completely described in terms of "toxins",
"parasites", the "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so
quietly ignored these days), TCM phrases such as "too much
heat in the triple burner", aspartame or amalgam
illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to sunrise
(although that's an idea borrowed from EOM and which
should be used sparingly and in as mystical a way as
possible), and the all-important "energy imbalance". I
think that about covers it.

That doesn't even come close to covering it! What about
colon sludge, subluxations, chronic Lyme disease (only
detectable with certain unreliable tests), and sub-clinical
occult carbon monoxide poisoning (not detectable nor
disprovable with any tests, during life)? That's not even
counting the really obscure stuff, like body thetans.

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>
> "Dave Wickware" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> message -"]news:[email hidden]-
> al.com...
> > How is severe asthma diagnosed? How is emphysema
> > diagnosed? How is congestive heart failure
> > diagnosed?
>
> Apologies if you do have a serious health problem,
> but if you are to

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

true
> in your allegiance to alternative medicine you must
> learn to use the
correct
> diagnostic vocabularies. Forget these EOM precepts,
> which try to

separate

Quoted message said:

> illnesses into different categories so that the
> right drug or

surgical

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> operation or physical modality (all EOM constructs)
> can be used.

They

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are
> a vital part of the <you-know-what> that keeps us
> all under the

thrall

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of

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> the drug companies.
>
> Illness can be completely described in terms of
> "toxins",

"parasites",

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Quoted message said:

the

Quoted message said:

> "psora" of homeopathy (sadly and so quietly ignored
> these days),

TCM

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> phrases such as "too much heat in the triple
> burner", aspartame or

amalgam

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> illnesses, an immune system that won't make it to
> sunrise (although

that's

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> an idea borrowed from EOM and which should be used
> sparingly and in

as

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> mystical a way as possible), and the all-important
> "energy

imbalance".

Quoted message said:

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I

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> think that about covers it.
>
> Do not insult your loyal "alternative" comrades with
> anything that
suggests
> scientific medicine may actually know something
> about disease.

Just

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get

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> onto any alt list, tell them your symptoms and they
> nurture you back

into

Quoted message said:

> health in the most efficient way possible.
>
> Yes, I did get out of bed on the wrong side this
> morning. If your
question
> is serious these conditions can be easily separated
> by a combination

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> patient history, physical examination and
> investigations that might
include
> chest xray and pulmonary function stduies. No
> alternative

practitioner

Quoted message said:

> would have the appropriate training and experience.
>
> Peter Moran

Another one who does not understand how to diagnose a
disease. Isn't

this

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

enlightening?

Explain the purpose of your initial question...

Look up spirometry, chest x-ray, history, EKG, etc....

I asked the question because some ignoramous' who lurk
here and that you seem to think are bright enough to post,
have suggested that I still have emphysema. My point was
to show that these same individuals don't even know how to
diagnose the disease nevermind have the credibility to
judge its state. Its a demonstration of their lack of
credibility.

You just demonstrated you inability to form a coherent
thought.

Why not go to a pulomonologist, get good spirometry
performed, and post your pre- and post- spirograms for all
to see? You can post it on your website, and, if they show
that you no longer have COPD, etc. then you have proven
your claim.

Until then, since your record is that you are in the
negative credibility range, you have no proof.