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  1. OK, so lots of us got stirred up by Martlew. This could be
    one of two things: a colossal waste of time, or the start of
    some quality grass-roots campaigning.

    No prizes which I'm shooting for. I would like the
    Government:

    * To make available in handy point of sale presentations,
    with a distribution mechanism suited to the bike trade,
    the two main Stationery Office publications of value to
    cyclists, namely the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. I would
    like to see these on the counter in every bike shop in
    Britain, and Halfords.

    * To commission genuine research into what increases cyclist
    safety, for example an in-depth study of the Hull home
    zones project.

    * To make available revenue funding for training, e.g. for
    cycle instructors and active travel advisors.

    * To change the Highway Code to include a minimum
    recommended distance for overtaking a cyclist, backed by a
    public information campaign making the point.

    * To withdraw all future funding for BeHIT.

    Only the last one is in the least bit negative ;-)

    --
    Guy
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    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  2. Just zis Guy said:


    * To make available in handy point of sale presentations,
    with a distribution mechanism suited to the bike trade,
    the two main Stationery Office publications of value to
    cyclists, namely the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. I
    would like to see these on the counter in every bike
    shop in Britain, and Halfords.

    How about removing the requirement to fit a bell to every
    bike sold and replace it with a requirement to include
    Cyclecraft and the Highway Code with every bike sold (and
    draw the purchasers attention to them)?

    Tony

  3. Just zis Guy said:

    OK, so lots of us got stirred up by Martlew. This could be
    one of two things: a colossal waste of time, or the start
    of some quality grass-roots campaigning.

    No prizes which I'm shooting for. I would like the
    Government:

    * To make available in handy point of sale presentations,
    with a distribution mechanism suited to the bike trade,
    the two main Stationery Office publications of value to
    cyclists, namely the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. I
    would like to see these on the counter in every bike
    shop in Britain,

    and Halfords.

    Do I detect a 'trace of irony' here?

    Quoted message said:


    * To commission genuine research into what increases
    cyclist safety, for example an in-depth study of the
    Hull home zones project.

    Agreed. I wrote to the BBC's Horizon programme once
    suggesting that they could do something similar, but I got a
    "sorry not enough leading edge high tech posh sounding
    science in it for us" reply. The plan was that tv coverage
    would reach _all_ road users, not just those of us who are
    already committed to the cause. Yer average bus-driving Mr.
    Blobby tends not to read uk.rec.cycling. (My apologies to
    any bus driving Mr. Blobbys who are actually reading this)

    Quoted message said:


    * To make available revenue funding for training, e.g. for
    cycle instructors and active travel advisors.

    And can we put some of that training on the curriculum in
    Secondary Schools please. It seems to be a widely
    accepted view among the teaching fraternity that cycle
    training has been dealt with by the time children get
    into Secondary Schools. In my opinion an 11 year old
    child is still developing the skills necessary to
    _become_ a road user and cannot possibly have been taught
    enough to actually _be_ one.

    Quoted message said:


    * To change the Highway Code to include a minimum
    recommended distance for overtaking a cyclist, backed by
    a public information campaign making the point.

    'They' are going to have to get a bigger book methinks.

    Quoted message said:


    * To withdraw all future funding for BeHIT.

    Only the last one is in the least bit negative ;-)

    One of the things that bothers me as a commuting cyclist is
    that in order to keep me safe from harm, I may not only be
    forced to wear a plastic hat, ('They' needn't bother, my
    wife is working on their behalf already.) but I may also be
    forced to ride in the cycle lanes/routes which have been
    provided for me at great expense and which don't go from my
    house to my workplace or worse still, The Pub!

    Terry Duckmanton (a.k.a. The Bicycling Banana)

  4. Just zis Guy, you know? posted ...

    Quoted message said:

    * To withdraw all future funding for BeHIT.

    Only the last one is in the least bit negative ;-)

    But so positive for real safety issues .. 😉

    --
    Paul

    (8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

  5. Tony Raven posted ...

    Quoted message said:
    Just zis Guy said:


    * To make available in handy point of sale presentations,
    with a distribution mechanism suited to the bike trade,
    the two main Stationery Office publications of value to
    cyclists, namely the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. I
    would like to see these on the counter in every bike
    shop in Britain, and Halfords.

    How about removing the requirement to fit a bell to every
    bike sold and replace it with a requirement to include
    Cyclecraft and the Highway Code with every bike sold (and
    draw the purchasers attention to them)?

    Now that is sensible and very cost effective.

    --
    Paul

    (8(|) Homer rocks .. 😉

  6. Tony Raven said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    * To make available in handy point of sale presentations,
    with a distribution mechanism suited to the bike trade,
    the two main Stationery Office publications of value to
    cyclists, namely the Highway Code and Cyclecraft. I
    would like to see these on the counter in every bike
    shop in Britain, and Halfords.

    How about removing the requirement to fit a bell to every
    bike sold and replace it with a requirement to include
    Cyclecraft and the Highway Code with every bike sold (and
    draw the purchasers attention to them)?

    Tony

    how about having to supply a copy of the Highway Code with
    every car (new or secondhand), or a list of driving crimes
    and their penalties, when sold.

  7. "Pete whelan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Tony Raven said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    * To make available in handy point of sale
    presentations, with a distribution mechanism suited to
    the bike trade, the two main Stationery Office
    publications of value to cyclists, namely the Highway
    Code and Cyclecraft. I would like to see these on the
    counter in every bike shop


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Britain, and Halfords.


    How about removing the requirement to fit a bell to
    every bike sold and replace it with a requirement to
    include Cyclecraft and the Highway Code


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    every bike sold (and draw the purchasers attention to
    them)?

    how about having to supply a copy of the Highway Code with
    every car (new or secondhand), or a list of driving crimes
    and their penalties, when sold.

    How about making people learn all of these things and
    understand them in order to get their licence to operate a
    motorised vehicle?

  8. Pete whelan said:

    how about having to supply a copy of the Highway Code with
    every car (new or secondhand), or a list of driving crimes
    and their penalties, when sold.

    I'm not sure it would be a good idea to advertise that they
    could run over a cyclist and get a £60 fine :-(

    John B

  9. Mark South said:
    Quoted message said:


    how about having to supply a copy of the Highway Code
    with every car (new or secondhand), or a list of driving
    crimes and their penalties, when sold.

    How about making people learn all of these things and
    understand them in order to get their licence to operate a
    motorised vehicle?

    Now you are just being silly.

    John B

  10. "JohnB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mark South said:
    Quoted message said:

    how about having to supply a copy of the Highway Code
    with every car (new or secondhand), or a list of
    driving crimes and their penalties, when sold.

    How about making people learn all of these things and
    understand them in order to get their licence to operate
    a motorised vehicle?

    Now you are just being silly.

    You're right - having thought about it I can see it would be
    daft even to hope that it might work.
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
    Ce poulet a une grenade!

  11. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, so lots of us got stirred up by Martlew. This could be
    one of two things: a colossal waste of time, or the start
    of some quality grass-roots campaigning.

    No prizes which I'm shooting for. I would like the
    Government:

    * To make available in handy point of sale
    presentations, with a distribution mechanism suited to
    the bike trade, the two main Stationery Office
    publications of value to cyclists, namely the Highway
    Code and Cyclecraft. I would like to see these on the
    counter in every bike shop


    in

    Quoted message said:

    Britain, and Halfords.

    And alongside the other road use manuals in W.H.Smiths.

    --
    Ben

  12. On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:41:08 +0100, Terry D
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    and Halfords. Do I detect a 'trace of irony' here?

    Possibly just the teeniest bit ;-) After all, bike shops
    were against the Bill, Halfwits were for it.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  13. On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:05:04 +0100,

    Just zis Guy said:

    * To commission genuine research into what increases
    cyclist safety, for example an in-depth study of the
    Hull home zones project.


    And the london congestion charging. After all, AIUI, this is
    supposed to have sped up traffic and yet cycling casualties
    are much lower. (I didn't cycling in central london before
    the charging zone was introduced so I don't have any direct
    comparison (and I didn't start cycling in london because of
    the zone, just because of work))

    Tim.
    --
    God said, "div D = rho, div B = 0, curl E = - @B/@t, curl H
    = J + @D/@t," and there was light.

    tjw.hn.orgtjw.hn.org
    locofungus.btinternet.co.uklocofungus.btinternet.co.uk

  14. Terry D said:

    Yer average bus-driving Mr. Blobby tends not to read
    uk.rec.cycling. (My apologies to any bus driving Mr.
    Blobbys who are actually reading this)

    There is a bus-driving type from Southampton that sees these
    posts when they get to UK.Tosspot.

    Your apologies are wasted. He is a prat.

  15. Terry D said:

    Yer average bus-driving Mr. Blobby tends not to read
    uk.rec.cycling.

    Or indeed anything at all. They just look at the pictures.

    Bah!

    --

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
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  16. Dave Larrington said:

    Terry D wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yer average bus-driving Mr. Blobby tends not to read
    uk.rec.cycling.

    Or indeed anything at all. They just look at the pictures.

    Sticking up for the bus drivers - I have never had a problem
    with the bus

    a bus driver slowed to make a gap for me to turn right
    across the traffic on the High Street.

    They're not *all* bad!

    --
    Mark. tranchant.plus.comtranchant.plus.com

  17. On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:14:12 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    And the london congestion charging. After all, AIUI, this
    is supposed to have sped up traffic and yet cycling
    casualties are much lower.

    More cyclists apparently. Safety in numbers. I think there's
    a study of this relationship referenced from
    www.cyclehelmets.org.

  18. Perhaps I exaggerate (slightly) but now Ken and his Kohorts
    have introduced Bendy Buses on the 149 between London
    Bridge and Ponders End via The Death Of The Soul[1], which
    is bound to lead to more trouble, since the things are the
    Work of Stan and didn't even have the good grace to all
    burn themselves to the ground. I actually find myself
    agreeing with Stephen Bayley on this, which is worrying in
    the extreme.

    1 - Edmonton

    --

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  19. Al C-F said:

    On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:14:12 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall

    Quoted message said:

    And the london congestion charging. After all, AIUI, this
    is supposed to have sped up traffic and yet cycling
    casualties are much lower.

    More cyclists apparently. Safety in numbers. I think
    there's a study of this relationship referenced from
    www.cyclehelmets.org.

    This reminded me of a remark my wife made when I first
    started commuting by bike a few years ago. I can't remember
    exactly what she said, but it was along the lines of "Since
    you started cycling I notice cyclists more, I try very hard
    to give them enough room". I think the 'Safety In Numbers'
    thing works because motorists cannot fail to see at least
    some of us and possibly, just possibly start trying very
    hard to give us enough room.

    Terry Duckmanton.

  20. Terry D said:

    This reminded me of a remark my wife made when I first
    started commuting by bike a few years ago. I can't
    remember exactly what she said, but it was along the lines
    of "Since you started cycling I notice cyclists more, I
    try very hard to give them enough room". I think the
    'Safety In Numbers' thing works because motorists cannot
    fail to see at least some of us and possibly, just
    possibly start trying very hard to give us enough room.

    Come to think of it, it may also be because with more
    cyclists, more of the motorists on the road will have close
    friends or relatives who happen to be cyclists. I remember
    both of my parents commenting that they started to become
    more aware of cyclists, and more careful around them, when I
    started cycling as my main mode of transport.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
    <url:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/> "He who
    dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

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