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  1. Towards the end of last year I ordered a KH Velo saddle for
    DW to give me for Christmas. I fitted it to the Coker when
    we got home after Christmas, then I didn't ride it. Then I
    didn't ride it a bit more.

    The Coker usually only gets used for commuting once or twice
    a week, if that. First a succession of colds meant I didn't
    feel like the extra effort of yiking to work (added to which
    I have to get up 20 minutes earlier to yike to work, which
    is really hard to do in the winter). Later on, DW's advanced
    state of pregnancy meant that I might have to get home
    quickly, so I wanted the extra speed afforded by a second
    wheel and a decent range of gears.

    But now the baby's out, I'm feeling good, it was a lovely
    morning, so I did it.

    The first thing to become very obvious was how much deeper
    the KH is than my old Viscount. I had about 3/4" less
    seatpost showing than with the Viscount and it was only just
    rideable. I stopped after 1/2 mile and lowered it by about
    3mm, then it was perfect. (I wasn't wearing the same shoes
    that I used with the Viscount, but if anything I think the
    soles on the new shoes may be slightly thicker).

    The next thing I noticed was the flex in the handle. It's
    certainly more comfortable to hang onto than the front of
    the Viscount, or the grab rail of my DM contoured, but a
    little less flex would be nice.

    When I dismounted, I discovered a problem that I may have to
    do something about. The depth of the saddle makes it quite
    uncomfortable to catch during a forward dismount. I think
    I'll have to fit a handle. I stuck to rear dismounts after
    that, but it's important to be able to grab the saddle
    during a dismount either way.

    Comfort was very impressive. I usually ride a recumbent
    bike, but I bent it last week so I've been riding a wedgie
    to work this week. My sit-bones are sore from what I used to
    think of as quite a comfy saddle, but I'm no longer used to.
    So I expected to feel sore sit-bones as soon as I mounted
    the Coker. But instead, this was the first time that I've
    yiked the 5.4 miles to work without feeling slightly sore by
    the end (except perhaps for when I was using 5" cranks).

    Unfortunately, the saddle also seemed to put pressure on
    the urethra that I don't get with the Viscount. I had
    the nose angled up as far as it would go, so I angled it
    down slightly from there for the ride home. This
    relieved the pressure on my urethra. There seemed then
    to be more pressure on my sit-bones and inner thighs,
    but that could well just have been because it was the
    second ride of the day.

    Finally, speed was better than I expected. I haven't ridden
    a unicycle for 7 months (except for a bit of bouncing around
    on the patio to entertain DD), so I expected a slow ride.
    And my cadence *did* feel low. But I still managed a pretty
    average speed for my Coker commute.

    All in all, I'm quite happy with this seat.

    --
    Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my
    reply address)
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  2. Usenet posts don't seem to make it to the forum. So let me
    at least post a reply.

    Shame that the KH Velo was unused for so long...

    Danny Colyer said:

    Unfortunately, the saddle also seemed to put pressure on
    the urethra that I don't get with the Viscount. I had
    the nose angled up as far as it would go, so I angled it
    down slightly from there for the ride home. This
    relieved the pressure on my urethra. There seemed then
    to be more pressure on my sit-bones and inner thighs,
    but that could well just have been because it was the
    second ride of the day.

    Mostly people report sitting more on their sitting bones if
    they tilt the saddle /up/. It may sound counterintuitive.
    Maybe you need to make a conscious effort to reposition
    yourself more to the rear? The increased pressure on the
    urethra may also have to do with the general softness and
    deepness of the padding. It distributes the weight but that
    implies pressing everywhere.

    Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict
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  3. Klaas Bil said:

    Usenet posts don't seem to make it to the forum. So let me
    at least post a reply.

    Is it broken again? Oh well, thanks for letting me know I'm
    not completely alone.

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly people report sitting more on their sitting bones
    if they tilt the saddle /up/.

    I know. I was quite surprised by the difference.

    Quoted message said:

    The increased pressure on the urethra may also have to do
    with the general softness and deepness of the padding. It
    distributes the weight but that implies pressing
    everywhere.

    It probably is. The KH saddle could probably benefit from a
    cutout section in the middle. I'm not ready to go hacking it
    about just yet though ...

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    reply address)
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  4. Danny Colyer said:

    *It probably is. The KH saddle could probably benefit from
    a cutout section in the middle. I'm not ready to go
    hacking it about just yet though ... *

    I would prefer that the KH saddle didn't have such a deep
    "U" shape. The deep shape causes the front of the saddle to
    give the soft tissues less room and is all too constricting.

    On my air seats I trim the foam at the nose of the saddle to
    give the saddle a shallower "U" shape. I find that shallower
    shape to be much more comfortable. I have pictures of what I
    do in my 'Air Seat Gallery'
    (gallery.unicyclist.comAirseat). Specifically 'this
    picture' (tinyurl.com2sjkx).

    I would like it if the KH saddle had the same operation to
    trim down the foam at the front of the saddle.

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  5. I agree to that the KD saddle is too ‘full’ at the front for
    men, it doesn’t provide enough space to be comfortable. The
    softness I also find is a problem with pressure causing lost
    circulation in that area underneath. I’ve now got two KH
    saddles, your photos are great!

    A couple of questions, did you make the pillow? From what
    material? Do you find that you can ‘feel’ the inner tube in
    the pillow? Did you make the pillow smaller or larger than
    the saddle base? How did you stop it all from slipping
    around inside the Roach seat cover?

    Thanks lots of questions, but you’ve got me spirited to
    alter my saddle.

    JJ

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  6. Huthwaite said:

    *A couple of questions, did you make the pillow? From what
    material? Do you find that you can ‘feel’ the inner tube
    in the pillow? Did you make the pillow smaller or larger
    than the saddle base? How did you stop it all from
    slipping around inside the Roach seat cover?

    Thanks lots of questions, but you’ve got me spirited to
    alter my saddle.

    JJ *

    I made the air pillow myself. I don't know what kind of
    fabric it is. I just looked for a heavy duty fabric that was
    on sale. Color didn't matter because it's inside the seat.

    I used the foam pad from a Miyata seat as the pattern for
    making the air pillow. The carbon fiber seat base has the
    same shape and size as the Miyata seat so the Miyata foam
    makes for the perfect pattern. To make the pattern I traced
    around the Miyata foam and then added 1/2" for the seam.

    You want the air pillow to be slightly undersized for the
    seat base because when you sit on it it's going to bulge out
    a bit. I made several air pillows and because of my poor
    sewing some of them were wider in the middle area than
    others. The wide ones that bulged out too far beyond the
    sides of the seat base were not comfortable.

    Because of the foam on top of the air pillow you do not feel
    the tube. You know it's there because the seat is cushy and
    you can adjust the cushyness by changing the amount of air
    in the tube. But you cannot feel the folds in the tube.

    The shape of the foam on top of the air pillow makes a big
    difference in the comfort of the saddle. My Muni seats use
    the Miyata foam, but I didn't find the Miyata foam to be
    comfortable on my Coker. The shape of the Miyata foam was
    too blocky. For my Coker seat I'm using the foam from an old
    Schwinn saddle. The old Schwinn foam is very contoured with
    a shape very similar to the Viscount seat. That contoured
    shape was much more comfortable for Coker style riding. I'm
    going to try the foam from an old Viscount saddle to see how
    it compares.

    Saddle comfort is more than just adding an innertube. The
    shape of the saddle is also very important and the shape of
    the foam on top is very important.

    I do nothing to keep the air pillow and foam from sliding
    around. Things do stay in place inside the Roach cover. I
    have no problems with things moving around and getting
    out of place.

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