Tyres

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are
what Giant stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK.
These tyres are steel beaded and whenever I go anywhere
vaguely muddy they clog very quickly, and the mud doesn't
come back out of the tread until I've been riding home on
the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing w/mud.
Purely a tread pattern matter, IMO.

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Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar
bead?), and will give me good grip in muddy conditions
(seem to be the only kind you get in Derbyshire :P).

I'll let the bloody mudders offer suggestions; I've had good
luck with Panaracer Fire XC Pros and IRC Mythos (both fairly
light, but not sure of mud-shedding characteristics since
it's mostly dry here in LoSoCal)...

Bill "Oki Doki?" S.

Doki said:

S o r n i said:

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are
what Giant stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK.
These tyres are steel beaded and whenever I go anywhere
vaguely muddy they clog very quickly, and the mud
doesn't come back out of the tread until I've been
riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing
w/mud. Purely a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Yes. I'm not familiar with your Kendas, but generally
speaking Kevlar beads are a good deal lighter than steel
(though I'm sure there are SOME steel-bead tires that are
lighter than SOME Kevlar-beeded ones)...

Bill "K easier to install, too" S.

Doki said:

Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light (kevlar
bead?), and will give me good grip in muddy conditions
(seem to be the only kind you get in Derbyshire :P).

The problem is that tyres that are specifically designed for
mud tend to suck at every other discipline. Taking a tarmac
corner on mud tyres is something that will scare the pants
off you. Have a look for a general tyre with wider spacing
between the knobbies. Conti Vert or Survival pros might be
good, or the Panaracer Trailrakers, which were designed with
UK conditions in mind.

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Doki said:

S o r n i said:

Doki said:

I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are
what Giant stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK.
These tyres are steel beaded and whenever I go anywhere
vaguely muddy they clog very quickly, and the mud
doesn't come back out of the tread until I've been
riding home on the road for a few miles.

The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing
w/mud. Purely a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Kevlar bead plus copious mud on bike = heavy bike anyway.
Kevlar won't hurt but if it's purely weight savings you're
after it's probably not as big an issue as you might think.

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Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light
(kevlar bead?), and will give me good grip in muddy
conditions (seem to be the only kind you get in
Derbyshire :P).

I'll let the bloody mudders offer suggestions; I've had
good luck with Panaracer Fire XC Pros and IRC Mythos
(both fairly light, but not sure of mud-shedding
characteristics since it's mostly dry here in LoSoCal)...

Bill "Oki Doki?" S.

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Doki said:

Any ideas on a decent tyre that's reasonably light
(kevlar bead?), and

will

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give me good grip in muddy conditions (seem to be the
only kind you get

in

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Derbyshire :P).

The problem is that tyres that are specifically designed
for mud tend to suck at every other discipline. Taking a
tarmac corner on mud tyres is something that will scare
the pants off you. Have a look for a general tyre with
wider spacing between the knobbies. Conti Vert or Survival
pros might be good, or the Panaracer Trailrakers, which
were designed with UK conditions in mind.

IRC Seracs have been good to me.

Doki said:

Westie said:

Doki said:

S o r n i wrote:
> Doki wrote:
>> I've currently got Kenda Crosscountry tyres, which are
>> what Giant stuck on the bike when they made it AFAIK.
>> These tyres are steel beaded and whenever I go
>> anywhere vaguely muddy they clog very quickly, and the
>> mud doesn't come back out of the tread until I've been
>> riding home on the road for a few miles.
>
> The steel beads have nothing to do with their packing
> w/mud. Purely a tread pattern matter, IMO.

Yep, but steel beads = heavier than kevlar, yes?

Kevlar bead plus copious mud on bike = heavy bike anyway.
Kevlar won't hurt but if it's purely weight savings
you're after it's probably not as big an issue as you
might think.

The fact that the tyre's on the outside of the wheel and
you've got to make it spin round means that mass makes a
big difference. Particularly the difference between a
heavy tyre that's covered in mud and light tyre that's
shedding the mud.

Yes, rotating mass does make a difference. And Yes, a mud-
shedding tread will be even better. And a tyre that has more
traction AND sheds mud AND has a kevlar bead will be just
about damn perfect. What I'm saying is that it will be the
mud that makes the major difference. Not the bead weight or
the rotating mass. It seemed from what you were saying
originally that you are placing an unreasonable significance
on the weight of the bead alone. IMO, one of the last
factors to be considered in improving mud performance is the
bead weight.
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Westie said:

Yes, rotating mass does make a difference. And Yes, a
mud-shedding tread will be even better. And a tyre that
has more traction AND sheds mud AND has a kevlar bead
will be just about damn perfect. What I'm saying is that
it will be the mud that makes the major difference. Not
the bead weight or the rotating mass. It seemed from
what you were saying originally that you are placing an
unreasonable significance on the weight of the bead
alone. IMO, one of the last factors to be considered in
improving mud performance is the bead weight.

I agree. But a lighter tyre is A Good Thing IMO. It's also
a pretty easy

way

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to drop a pound or two off the bike.

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Yes. I'm not familiar with your Kendas, but generally
speaking Kevlar beads are a good deal lighter than steel
(though I'm sure there are SOME steel-bead tires that are
lighter than SOME Kevlar-beeded ones)...

Tens of grams. Nothing you would ever be able to tell the
difference about.

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