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  1. As i'm a lazy git can someone point me in the right
    direction here, my eyes are glazing over with the manual. I
    have 2 landscapes, sky good on one exposure. Land good on
    other. They are very similar but probably not identical, (no
    tripod used). It strikes me the sky from one and the land
    from the other would make a useful image. Whats the best way
    to proceed?
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  2. The Reids said:

    As i'm a lazy git can someone point me in the right
    direction here, my eyes are glazing over with the manual. I
    have 2 landscapes, sky good on one exposure. Land good on
    other. They are very similar but probably not identical,
    (no tripod used). It strikes me the sky from one and the
    land from the other would make a useful image. Whats the
    best way to proceed?

    If the skyline isn't too complicated, no trees for example.
    Copy the good sky onto the good land one set opacity to 50%
    and try dragging it to get a good alignment. If that fails
    try a free tansform to get the skylines to match.

    This explains what to do when the pictures *do* match. luminous-luminous-
    landscape.com/tutorials/blended_exposures.shtml You may have
    to do some masking if you cant get a decent match over the
    whole frame.

    You could get somewhere close by using contrast masking a
    single frame. luminous-luminous-
    landscape.com/tutorials/contrast_masking.shtml
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
    "Westminster Gasworks"

  3. The Reids said:

    As i'm a lazy git can someone point me in the right
    direction here, my eyes are glazing over with the manual.
    I have 2 landscapes, sky good on one exposure. Land good
    on other. They are very similar but probably not
    identical, (no tripod used). It strikes me the sky from
    one and the land from the other would make a useful image.
    Whats the best way to proceed?

    My experience is that they are very difficult if not
    impossible to match up. Best technique to use is to take the
    two photos on a tripod in the first instance (I realise
    that's not practical now). Only then will you ensure that
    the two photos will line up.

    It's not just a question of physically lining them up. If
    the composition is different then the lens distortion will
    be different in different parts of the picture, especially
    if you used a wide angle lens. I've tried this and no amount
    of moving and rotating would get the two skylines to match -
    the differences due to lens distortion were obvious when
    placed on top of one another.

    If the sky is very similar on both pics then you could cut
    out the good sky just above the horizon and paste it onto
    the other pic. Then you'd only have to get a good blend
    between the skies rather than have to match it to the
    horizon. You'd use layer masking for this of course.

    1. Paste good sky pic on top of good land pic.

    2. Apply layer mask to the sky pic. Use Hide All. This
    gives a black mask that completely hides the top layer.

    3. Use the brush tool to modify the mask. Painting with a
    white brush will erase the mask and reveal the top
    picture. Paint over the sky to replace the old sky with
    the new. Larger brush sizes have softer edges so you
    get a smoother blend. If you make any mistakes you can
    switch to a black brush to paint the mask back. You can
    change to smaller brush sizes to work on areas of
    detail if necessary.

    If the skies don't match at all it might be better to
    position the good sky slightly lower in the image, so that
    the good sky's horizon is below the good land's horizon. In
    this way you wouldn't need to match the horizons perfectly.
    What you would need to do is make the layer mask match the
    horizon perfectly. Fortunately this can usually be done
    quite easily.

    4. Go to the Channels window. Look at each of the red,
    green and blue channels to determine which has the best
    contrast between sky and land (specifically along the
    horizon). It's usually the blue channel but not always.

    5. Drag the appropriate channel onto the Create New
    Channel icon at the bottom of the window. This creates
    a copy of the channel.

    6. Using the Levels tool, drag the shadow slider to the
    right until the land is completely black and drag the
    highlight slider to the left until the sky is
    completely white. They will meet in the same place
    giving reducing the entire image to just black and
    white. Ideally the sky will be completely white and
    land black, but often they won't be.

    7. If they aren't, use the brush tool (with hard edges) to
    paint black over any white bits of land and white over
    any black bits of sky. You should end up with a
    perfectly white sky and black land with the dividing
    line matching the horizon perfectly.

    8. Hold the control key and left click on the new channel
    you've just created. This will turn the black and white
    image into a selection.

    9. Click on the RGB channel, then the Layers window to go
    back to working on the pic normally.

    10. Click on your top layer (assuming you've already pasted
    it in) then add a layer mask using "Reveal Selection".
    This will match the horizon perfectly allowing your new
    sky to cover the old sky. As I said, if you drag the
    new sky down a bit you'll avoid the problem of having
    to match the horizon with both pics.

    11. It's usually a good idea to apply gaussian blur to the
    mask to smooth the join between images, but since your
    images will be different you'll need to use quite a
    small number. Experiment to see what number looks best.

    The above may sound a bit complex but it's easy once you've
    done it a few times. You can always recreate the selection
    if you lose it by going back to the black and white channel
    you created, then holding control and left clicking on it.

    One more thing. If you are going to blend two different
    images it's a really good idea to enlarge both images first,
    the larger the better, at least twice as large. After the
    blending you would then reduce the image size back to the
    original. This will help to smooth what might be an
    otherwise obvious join.

    Finally, I must say that after a lot of hassle trying to do
    this sort of thing myself, I consider it far preferable to
    work on a single image. Unless you have two identical
    compositions taken on a tripod the hassles just aren't worth
    it IMO. Working on a single image is infinitely easier and
    can produce far better results, provided there's no under or
    over exposure in the image.

    So, is the sky over exposed in one image and the land
    under exposed in the other? (I mean do they have
    completely white or black areas?). I'm guessing that the
    good land shot may have an over-exposed sky, whereas the
    good sky shot will have dark but not completely under-
    exposed land. Is that right?

    As you may know from my digital comments I tend to expose
    for the sky and let the land go dark. I then use contrast
    masking to brighten the land without over-exposing the sky.
    There's no reason why the same principle can't be used with
    film scans, except that you'll have less exposure latitude
    on slides.

    Dark land may look pretty naff in the original, but when
    brightened it can look fine. It does tend to lose a bit of
    colour and contrast though, so after brightening it often
    needs a little boost in contrast and saturation to help
    bring it back to life.

    So if your good sky photo has dark land but not completely
    black, my advice would be to work on that picture alone.
    Scan it using the Long Exposure Pass mode so as to extract
    as much shadow detail as possible and minimise noise. You'll
    then have a decent scan to work from.

    You know how to do the contrast mask, don't you?

    12. Duplicate layer.

    13. Desaturate new layer.

    14. Invert new layer.

    15. Change layer mode to Overlay.

    16. Apply Gaussian Blur to layer. Values from 150-250
    usually work best
    IMO.

    When done, flatten the image. You may need to brighten it a
    bit using Curves.

    Then boost the local contrast (not the overall contrast)
    using the Unsharp Mask too. Set the radius to 250, threshold
    to 0 and amount to say 10-20%. Experiment with the amount,
    but don't use too much. This does not sharpen the picture,
    it boosts the contrast, but in a local not a global way.
    (Compare with a normal contrast increase if you want to see
    the difference.)

    Finally you might need to boost the saturation a little.

    HTH.

    Paul
    --
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukwildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  4. The Reids <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    As i'm a lazy git can someone point me in the right
    direction here, my eyes are glazing over with the manual.
    I have 2 landscapes, sky good on one exposure. Land good
    on other. They are very similar but probably not
    identical, (no tripod used). It strikes me the sky from
    one and the land from the other would make a useful image.
    Whats the best way to proceed?

    As your'e a lazy git you've got no chance of doing this.
    There is a lot of work involved.

  5. Following up to Paul & Phil

    Quoted message said:

    My experience is that they are very difficult if not
    impossible to match up.

    I will look up techniques mentioned. As the skyline is
    simple once I have tackled splitting the image in two
    I should be able to shift the land "up" a bit to
    overlap the join.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  6. Following up to Phil Cook

    Quoted message said:

    If the skyline isn't too complicated, no trees for example.
    Copy the good sky onto the good land one set opacity to 50%
    and try dragging it to get a good alignment. If that fails
    try a free tansform to get the skylines to match.

    i'll try this first then tackle the splitting the image in
    two if no joy.
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  7. The Reids said:
    Quoted message said:

    If the skyline isn't too complicated, no trees for
    example. Copy the good sky onto the good land one set
    opacity to 50% and try dragging it to get a good
    alignment. If that fails try a free tansform to get the
    skylines to match.

    i'll try this first then tackle the splitting the image in
    two if no joy.

    You're thinking about this the wrong way. You don't actually
    "split" the image, you simply copy one photo on top of the
    other, so that you have two layers. You then apply a layer
    mask to the top image. Then you simply paint (B) onto the
    mask using white to reveal the top layer or black to hide
    it. It's easy, try it. It's non destructive so you can mess
    about with the mask as much as you like. It only becomes
    destructive when you "Flatten" the layers.

    When you've masked the top image to your satisfaction you
    can move (V) it around. The mask moves with it. So if you
    want to shift the land up a bit it's probably best to put
    the land layer on the top and mask that. Masks can only be
    applied to upper layers, not the base layer.

    Paul
    --
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukwildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  8. Other than merging the two pictures as discussed above (which is not
    easy to do well):

    If the sky is not 'good' because it is slightly overexposed,
    you can rescue it by applying a 'digital graduated grey
    filter'... To do this, select Layer>New, and in the
    properties window select 'Color burn' in the 'Mode' box.

    Then select the lightest grey for the foreground color using
    the color picker.

    Using the gradient tool, drag the gradient down from the top
    of the frame to a point where you'd like the grey to end
    (holding the shift key while you do this will keep the line
    dead straight). Once the grad grey is applied you can adjust
    the opacity to suit your tastes. Once you're happy, flatten
    the image (under the 'layer' menu).

    This method can also be used from the bottom up if your
    foreground is overexposed. The technique won't make a bad
    image good, but it can rescue an 'almost' kind of pic.

    Regards,

    Michael S

  9. Following up to Paul Saunders

    Quoted message said:

    You're thinking about this the wrong way. You don't
    actually "split" the image, you simply copy one photo on
    top of the other, so that you have two layers. You then
    apply a layer mask to the top image. Then you simply paint
    (B) onto the mask using white to reveal the top layer or
    black to hide it. It's easy, try it. It's non destructive
    so you can mess about with the mask as much as you like. It
    only becomes destructive when you "Flatten" the layers.

    When you've masked the top image to your satisfaction you
    can move (V) it around. The mask moves with it. So if you
    want to shift the land up a bit it's probably best to put
    the land layer on the top and mask that. Masks can only be
    applied to upper layers, not the base layer.

    thanks Paul!
    --
    Mike Reid "Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
    Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London
    "fellwalk.co.ukfellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
    Eat-walk-Spain "fell-walker.co.ukfell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@
    all, it's a spamtrap

  10. Michael S said:

    If the sky is not 'good' because it is slightly
    overexposed, you can rescue it by applying a 'digital
    graduated grey filter'...

    Depending on your definition, over-exposure can't really be
    "rescued". It can be improved but if part of the sky has
    gone completely white it'll stay that way, or be reduced to
    a featureless grey. You can never recover detail that's
    been lost.

    Slight overexposure isn't too bad, but fine detail in clouds
    is very important IMO so I try never to over-expose any part
    of the sky. This often isn't possible if the sun is in the
    picture though, as was the case with those two black and
    white pics I just posted links to.

    Your best chance of rescuing an over-exposed sky is if you
    took the shot in raw mode. By reducing the contrast and the
    exposure you can often claw back an extra stop of detail at
    the bright end. I've been pleasantly surprised to discover
    that certain shots that I thought were over-exposed actually
    weren't. If they'd been saved as jpegs the sky would have
    been unrecoverable.

    Quoted message said:

    This method can also be used from the bottom up if your
    foreground is overexposed. The technique won't make a bad
    image good, but it can rescue an 'almost' kind of pic.

    Over-exposed foreground? Now that's a rarity (for me
    anyway). If your foreground is over-exposed I dread to think
    what will have happened to your sky. Due to my extreme
    paranoia about over-exposure I usually get the opposite
    problem, under-exposed foregrounds, which can be lightened
    using pretty much the same technique.

    It's usually far better to lose detail in the shadows than
    in the highlights. The human eye is very sensitive to
    highlight detail, but doesn't seem to mind black shadows so
    much. Always better to underexpose rather than overexpose
    IMO, if you a correct exposure isn't possible.

    Paul
    --
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukwildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  11. Quoted message said:

    Depending on your definition, over-exposure can't really
    be "rescued". It can be improved but if part of the sky
    has gone completely white it'll stay that way, or be
    reduced to a featureless grey. You can never recover
    detail that's been lost.

    Obviously. If the highlights are blown there is nothing
    you can do. I was talking about situations where the shot
    is not great because the sky is a little on the light
    side - say half- to one-stop over. Generally, deeper
    skies are much more popular on landscapes (with picture
    buyers, for example).

    Quoted message said:

    Slight overexposure isn't too bad, but fine detail in
    clouds is very important IMO so I try never to over-expose
    any part of the sky. This often isn't possible if the sun
    is in the picture though, as was the case with those two
    black and white pics I just posted links to.

    Graduated ND filters are used on virtually all my landscapes
    to control the sky. In most situations the sky is brighter
    than the land. If you have both in your picture you will not
    be able to expose the whole frame perfectly unless the
    brightness of the sky is reduced appropriately. Any
    photographers serious about landscape photography who don't
    use Grad ND filters should start a.s.a.p.

    Quoted message said:

    Over-exposed foreground? Now that's a rarity (for me
    anyway).

    Really?! When composing the various elements of a landscape
    shot I often find the foreground can be anywhere from half-
    to two-stops brighter than the rest of the frame. As such,
    even when using 35mm, I spot meter every element within the
    composition using a hand-held lightmeter. Some may say
    that's overkill - I let the resulting images act as proof
    that it is worth the extra time and effort.

    Quoted message said:

    If your foreground is over-exposed I dread to think what
    will have happened to your sky.

    In shots of mine where the foreground is slightly over-
    exposed the sky (and the middle-ground) is perfect - the
    shots were exposed to capture sky and middle-distance
    perfectly - the overexposed foreground is a consequence of
    that. In one particular shot I took of the Langdale Pikes I
    was using 2 grad ND filters on the sky, so I couldn't use a
    grad ND filter upside down to control the foreground (which
    I often normally do), which was grass in bright sunlight.
    When the slide was developed I was very happy with the image
    - except for the foreground grass which was slightly too
    bright (but I knew this would be the case). After scanning
    the image I applied the 'digital ND grad' to it in photoshop
    and the problem was sorted. I sent the digital file to one
    of my photo libraries and since then the image has been used
    in 2 calendars and on one book cover.

    Quoted message said:

    Due to my extreme paranoia about over-exposure I usually
    get the opposite problem, under-exposed foregrounds, which
    can be lightened using pretty much the same technique.

    It's usually far better to lose detail in the shadows than
    in the highlights. The human eye is very sensitive to
    highlight detail, but doesn't seem to mind black shadows
    so much. Always better to underexpose rather than
    overexpose IMO, if you a correct exposure isn't possible.

    I would say it is usually far better to expose correctly,
    neither under- or over-exposing. However, scenes are rarely
    uniformly illuminated. As such, the photographer must decide
    what is the most important element of the shot and, as a
    priority, ensure that element is exposed correctly (often at
    the expense of over- or under-exposed elements elsewhere in
    the frame). An example being the Langdales shot above. The
    foreground grass was the least important element - I
    'sacrificed' correct exposure here, knowing that it could be
    rescued later in PS (provided it wasn't blown). And if it
    was blown, I could still crop it out and have a saleable
    panoramic image.

    The method I oputlined above is for those situations where
    you have had to sacrifice areas at the top or bottom of the
    image - or quite simply when your exposure has been
    slightly off-perfect but the image is not 'lost'. In either
    case, the method wil only work if exposure is *slightly*
    off being perfect.

    Regards,

    Michael S

    Quoted message said:

    Paul

  12. Sorry interupt you photo pros but I have been away for a few
    days and took some photos of a sunset. Trouble is the
    foreground of the shot is very dark, is there anything I can
    do to bring up that part of the shot - I have photoshop but
    to be honest I have never used it - but since I bought my
    digital camera I thought I might as well have a go??

    Here are some of the shots I took.

    groups.msn.comshoebox.msnw
    oto&PhotoID=41

    groups.msn.comshoebox.msnw
    oto&PhotoID=43

    groups.msn.comshoebox.msnw
    oto&PhotoID=40

    For the purposes of the newsgroup my *walk* was onto the
    point at Worms Head. Weather was very nice this weekend so
    took the chance to camp out in Port Eynon with wifey and
    the youngest. Before we went yesterday I took a stroll up
    Carn Y Cefn with the purposes of taking some shots - but
    got halfway up the hill before I realised I had the camera
    but the batteries were still on charge at home! ...oops, I
    will learn.

  13. AC said:

    Sorry interupt you photo pros but I have been away for a
    few days and took some photos of a sunset. Trouble is the
    foreground of the shot is very dark, is there anything I
    can do to bring up that part of the shot - I have photoshop
    but to be honest I have never used it - but since I bought
    my digital camera I thought I might as well have a go??

    Here are some of the shots I took.

    groups.msn.comshoebox.msnw
    hoto&PhotoID=41

    There are several ways to skin this cat.

    A - Contrast Mask. See luminous-landscape.comunderstanding
    series/u-contrast-masking.shtml

    Layer > Duplicate layer.

    Image > Adjust > Desaturate

    Image > Adjust > Invert

    On the Layers Pallette set layer style to "Overlay"

    Filters > Blur > Gaussian Blur, radius 30 pixels.

    Adjust the layer intensity on the layers pallette to taste,
    in this case 80%

    p-t-cook.freeserve.co.ukmasked.jpg

    B - Modify the levels.

    Image > Adjust > Levels >

    Drag the centre point on the histogram towards the shadows
    so that the input levels read 0 1.70 255.

    p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uklevels.jpg
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
    "Westminster Gasworks"

  14. AC <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry interupt you photo pros but

    No problem, so long as you don't let the subject of walking
    creep in....
    --
    Gordon

  15. "Gordon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    AC <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Sorry interupt you photo pros but

    No problem, so long as you don't let the subject of
    walking creep in....

    Walking is OK so long as it's only for the purpose of
    checking your GPS is working :-)
    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net <<Tiens!
    Ce poulet a une grenade!

  16. In article <[email hidden]>, Mark South
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Walking is OK so long as it's only for the purpose of
    checking your GPS is working :-)

    I thought it was a means of passing the time while you were
    waiting for your rechargeables to discharge !
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  17. Mark South said:

    Walking is OK so long as it's only for the purpose of
    checking your GPS is working :-)

    That's exactly what I use my walking for! I've been doing a
    lot of GPS checking during the last week.

    It seems to work, but I'll need to study the results in
    Anquet and Ozi to be sure.

    Paul
    --
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukwildwales.fsnet.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  18. "Michael S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    | > Over-exposed foreground? Now that's a rarity (for me
    | > anyway).
    |
    | Really?! When composing the various elements of a
    | landscape shot I often find the foreground can be anywhere
    | from half- to two-stops brighter than the rest of the
    | frame. As such, even when using 35mm, I spot meter every
    | element within the composition using a hand-held
    | lightmeter. Some may say that's overkill - I let the
    | resulting images act as proof that it is worth the extra
    | time and effort.

    Hi Michael, I think I found your website, and you do have
    some very nice images there indeed.

    | >If your foreground is over-exposed I dread to think what
    | >will have happened to your sky.
    |
    | In shots of mine where the foreground is slightly over-
    | exposed the sky (and the middle-ground) is perfect - the
    | shots were exposed to capture sky and middle-distance
    | perfectly - the overexposed foreground is a consequence of
    | that. In one particular shot I took of the Langdale Pikes
    | I was using 2 grad ND filters on the sky, so I couldn't
    | use a grad ND filter upside down to control the foreground
    | (which I often normally do), which was grass in bright
    | sunlight. When the slide was developed I was very happy
    | with the image - except for the foreground grass which was
    | slightly too bright (but I knew this would be the case).
    | After scanning the image I applied the 'digital ND grad'
    | to it in photoshop and the problem was sorted.

    Are you talking about image JL105? I couldn't tell for sure
    because there were no photographer's notes for this
    particular image. It's a lovely scene though, and I agree
    that you can't beat a deep blue sky (with white fluffy
    clouds). I also liked VL029, and thought that you had used
    an ND filter on this one too, but the photographers notes
    say you only used a polarising filter.

    | I sent the digital file to one of my photo libraries and
    | since then the image has been used in 2 calendars and on
    | one book cover.

    There's quite a few people in this group who send their
    images to photo libraries. I've noticed that quite a few
    favour Alamy. Out of interest, do you have a preferred
    agency at all Michael? Or found any to be more productive
    for your work than others? (probably the same questions!)

    A few months ago, I had the pleasure of seeing one of my
    images used on the front cover of a book. However, you don't
    find this book in all good bookshops, as it was for a
    Romanian physics textbook! :-) The Professor found my photo
    on the Internet, and I let him use it for free as I'm such a
    kind guy. ;-)

    <snip>

    | Michael S
    |
    |
    | > Paul

    Regards,

    Ste

  19. Quoted message said:

    Hi Michael, I think I found your website, and you do have
    some very nice images there indeed.

    Hi Ste, judging by the reference numbers you refer to
    below, it seems as though you have indeed found the
    website (or one of them, anyway - there are 2). Thanks for
    the compliments - I'm glad you like them. One of the sites
    (not the lake district one) is badly in need of a spring
    clean, as it still has some very old and not very good
    pictures on there!!!

    Quoted message said:

    Are you talking about image JL105? I couldn't tell for
    sure because there were no photographer's notes for this
    particular image. It's a lovely scene though, and I agree
    that you can't beat a deep blue sky (with white fluffy
    clouds). I also liked VL029, and thought that you had used
    an ND filter on this one too, but the photographers notes
    say you only used a polarising filter.

    JL105 is a 'duplicate' of the image I am talking about...
    You may have read the other thread about taking more than
    one shot of a scene so you have a 'duplicate'. The actual
    image used is very slightly different, but essentially the
    same. VL029 was only a polariser IIRC. Sometimes the
    polariser produces a grad ND effect, and sometimes when
    combined with a drag ND it makes the sky too dark. I
    probably did try some with a grad ND at the time though.

    Out of interest, do

    Quoted message said:

    you have a preferred agency at all Michael? Or found any
    to be more productive for your work than others? (probably
    the same questions!)

    Alamy has it's pros and cons. It is convenient in that it is
    all 'electronic', so you can keep your slides and use them
    for other things. Also, they don't require a minimum
    submission of, say, 200 images (which many people do not
    have - not good quality ones, anyway). However, this did
    mean that virtually everyone was sending pics to them, and
    the general quality of images was quite poor (I remember
    seeing some *horrendous* pictures on Alamy over the years).
    However, they have tried to improve the general quality by
    making submission guidelines slightly tougher, so you must
    at least have decent equipment to meet the criteria. Since
    the quality on Alamy improved the sales have too. I don't
    actually have many images with them (about 40-ish), but
    that's only due to my own laziness. I will be submitting
    more images to them soon. Considering the small number of
    images I have with them my sales have been quite good. Other
    agencies are springing up that are copying Alamy, and it
    seems to be the way forward. As for other agencies, well,
    the list is a long one (see the BAPLA website for a list).
    The best method is to find an agency that best represents
    your style or chosen photographic subject. For example, if
    you take pictures of racing cars, you'd *probably* sell more
    through an agency specialising in sports cars than you would
    through a general agency like Alamy. However, do remember
    that the stock photography market makes VERY few people
    rich. Those that do make it work have literally thousands of
    images with agencies.

    Quoted message said:

    A few months ago, I had the pleasure of seeing one of my
    images used on the front cover of a book. However, you
    don't find this book in all good bookshops, as it was for
    a Romanian physics textbook! :-) The Professor found my
    photo on the Internet, and I let him use it for free as
    I'm such a kind guy. ;-)

    Nice one! It's surprising the number of commercial requests
    that come through personal websites (I've made more money
    like this than I have from photo agencies, for example -
    including supplying a marketing company with an image of
    London to be used on billboards for an up-coming 20th
    Century Fox film).

    A lot of pro photographers dislike amateurs supplying images
    for free (or very cheaply), but I personally have no
    objections to this practice, as long as it's only done as a
    means of getting a foot in the door, as it were. Once you
    have a 'CV' of a few commercially-used images you can start
    commanding a higher figure for licenses to use your photos!
    Keep up the good work!

    Regards,

    Michael S

  20. *After* posting my main reply I noticed I referred to a
    'drag ND'... To avoid any confusion, this *IS* a typo, and
    not some magical piece of photographic equipment! ;-)

    Michael S

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