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  1. I have some woods near my house a few bikers ride there but
    i have never seen them only there markings!Anyway can anyone
    give me some pointers on making a smaller(eg lower,easier
    and not so long) north shore type stuff on my back door
    step??can it be against the law to make it? Phil do you want
    to help? Ben

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  2. Yeah , I also have the plan near me, it would be illegal- at
    least tresspasing and depending what you did vandalism so it
    might be best too ask first. I dont have the link but you
    can get some tips from the people at whistler mountain bike
    park, which someone might have a link to... aaron

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  3. You need an axe, a hammer, a big box of 6" or 8" nails, and
    a smallish chainsaw. You will get in trouble if anyone
    catches you, as they call it criminal damage. If they don't
    catch you making it, you'll find it pulled down before too
    long. The forestry commission certainly don't like them!

    Now, if you can get the landowners permission that's a
    different story.

    Like all construction the key is thinking in triangles, oh
    and remember that trees are much stronger than any post you
    can bang in.

    When I was a kid, i helped a few of my mates (skaters) build
    a half pipe in the woods (without permission of course!).
    They found a really dense coppice, and cut the desired shape
    into the trees that stood there to leave supports. A lot of
    plywood was found hanging around a building site, which was
    nailed straight onto the tree trunks. It was remarkably
    sturdy, and worked well despite unsymetrical transitions. It
    caused much pain and amusement until it mysteriously
    disappeared after a month or two...

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  4. thinuniking said:

    *I have some woods near my house a few bikers ride there
    but i have never seen them only there markings!Anyway can
    anyone give me some pointers on making a smaller(eg
    lower,easier and not so long) north shore type stuff on my
    back door step??can it be against the law to make it? Phil
    do you want to help? Ben *

    It can be illegal. I'm no lawyer and I know zilch about the
    laws in the UK, but yeah, you can get in big trouble for
    building trails on random land.

    The 'North Shore Mountain Bike Association'
    (nsmba.bc.cansmba.bc.ca) has some info on building North
    Shore style trail obstacles. Go to Trail Info >> Trail Tips.

    The 'IMBA' (imba.comimba.com) has an 'IMBA Freeriding
    Guide' (imba.comindex.html)
    that has lots of information on freeriding and how to build
    trails and stunts.

    If you build anything make sure you know what you're
    getting in to if it's public land or private land. You
    could find yourself in big trouble. Don't cut down live
    trees. Don't nail anything in to live trees. I see stunts
    built on some local trails that are nailed to live trees.
    That is bad, very bad. It will get torn down and deserves
    to get torn down.

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  5. thinuniking said:

    *I have some woods near my house a few bikers ride there
    but i have never seen them only there markings!Anyway can
    anyone give me some pointers on making a smaller(eg
    lower,easier and not so long) north shore type stuff on my
    back door step??can it be against the law to make it? Phil
    do you want to help? Ben *

    It can be illegal. I'm no lawyer and I know zilch about the
    laws in the UK, but yeah, you can get in big trouble for
    building trails on random land.

    The 'North Shore Mountain Bike Association'
    (nsmba.bc.cansmba.bc.ca) has some info on building North
    Shore style trail obstacles. Go to Trail Info >> Trail Tips.

    The 'IMBA' (imba.comimba.com) has an 'IMBA Freeriding
    Guide' (imba.comindex.html)
    that has lots of information on freeriding and how to build
    trails and stunts.

    If you build anything make sure you know what you're
    getting in to if it's public land or private land. You
    could find yourself in big trouble. Don't cut down live
    trees. Don't nail anything in to live trees. I see stunts
    built on some local trails that are nailed to live trees.
    That is bad, very bad. It will get torn down and deserves
    to get torn down.

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  6. john_childs said:

    * The 'IMBA' (imba.comimba.com) has an 'IMBA
    Freeriding Guide'
    (imba.comindex.html) that
    has lots of information on freeriding and how to build
    trails and stunts.

    *

    I just picked up the IMBA Freeride Guide yesterday and it
    does have a lot of info. I got it for free at the bike shop.

    Mojoe

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  7. john_childs said:

    * The 'IMBA' (imba.comimba.com) has an 'IMBA
    Freeriding Guide'
    (imba.comindex.html) that
    has lots of information on freeriding and how to build
    trails and stunts.

    *

    I just picked up the IMBA Freeride Guide yesterday and it
    does have a lot of info. I got it for free at the bike shop.

    Mojoe

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  8. Mojoe said:

    *

    I just picked up the IMBA Freeride Guide yesterday and
    it does have a lot of info. I got it for free at the
    bike shop.

    Mojoe *

    If you were an IMBA member it would have been mailed to you.
    🙂 IMBA membership isn't just for two wheels.

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  9. In the UK there are a few relevant laws to do with
    illegal building.

    Firstly, even if the woods are open access for pedestrians
    you're probably not supposed to ride off bridleways, so
    you're trespassing. This is a civil offence though, so it's
    not like the police can haul you in for it. Also riding is
    unofficially tolerated in a lot of areas anyway. Basically
    if you're allowed to walk your dog in the woods, this isn't
    too much to worry about it.

    Next up, if you damage trees, you're potentially up for
    criminal damage. However, unless it's a commercial woods and
    you've destroyed tons and tons of trees, this isn't ever
    likely to happen to anyone.

    The most important one though, is that the landowner of the
    woods has a legal duty of care to people who are in the
    woods. What this means, is that if the landowner knows there
    are dangerous structures in the woods and someone falls off
    them, there's a possibility that the landowner could be sued
    for it. Because of this, if the landowner finds out about
    anything you build without permission in the woods, they'll
    probably chainsaw it down.

    The best thing to do is to try and find out about any legal
    trail-building near you, maybe ask in bikeshops, or ask
    local mountain bikers. However, it's quite likely that this
    will not be north-shore, because it requires quite a lot of
    organisation to get allowed to legally build structures.
    That's why only 3 or 4 of the forestry trailbuilding sites
    have got permission to build north shore yet.

    However, if you're building illegally, the most important
    thing is that it should be hard to find. It shouldn't be
    near any obvious paths or visible from any of the main paths
    in the woods. You need it to be made so that dog walkers
    don't come across it and tell someone. You should also keep
    quiet about exactly where it is and definately never post
    the exact location on the internet.

    If you get told by the landowner to stop building, or if
    stuff gets torn down, it's not worth building any more in
    the same location, it'll just get chainsawed.

    Practical things to remember when building

    1) Only use dead wood (fallen down), best is wood you got
    from somewhere else.(*)
    2) Don't use really rotted up wood
    3) If you're using a live tree as a support, if
    possible don't nail into it, use forks in the tree
    as support points.
    4) Expect illegal building to get pulled down at some point,
    don't spend too much time on it.

    You need a saw, lots and lots of nails and maybe an axe. A
    chainsaw is nice if you have one, but not really vital.

    Don't forget, even if the wood costs nothing, nails cost
    money, so building shore isn't totally free. The stuff in
    unicyclist.comalbuo83 apparently had
    several hundred pounds worth of nails in it.

    Joe (*) Building sites often have skips full of wood going
    for nothing if you ask.

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  10. One other thing is that if you clear trails on the
    ground, as opposed to northshore, they're a lot less
    likely to get closed down. It's also much quicker to
    build than north shore.

    Obviously it just isn't the same and isn't up in the
    trees, but you can still make trails that are really good
    fun to ride.

    You can go halfway between full on north shore and normal
    trails, by building trails on the ground and building small
    stunts along the way, skinnies, see-saws, drops etc. This
    way even if the stunts get killed, you've still got the
    trail to ride. Low down stunts like that are also much much
    less likely to get torn down, as they're much less likely to
    make the landowner worry about liability.

    Joe

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  11. North Shore building is all about trial and error when you
    first start, just start building and you will get better and
    better at it. I have a little freeride park that myself and
    some of my friends have been building on my property......I
    won't hit much of it on a uni, but maybe one day when I'm
    better I will 😉

    Here's some shots/vids of my stuff, maybe you can pull some
    ideas from
    it...

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    _Wayne_HC_doubles_1.jpg]

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    _Wayne_Truck_Stop.jpg]

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    er_stand_teeter_1.jpg]

    Here's a few vids...

    southerndiscomfort.netPZ010404.wmv

    tinyurl.comwhmf

    tinyurl.com2x42h

    tinyurl.com2t9vz

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  12. I just saw a trail standards guide put together by Whistler. It goes
    over some of their standards for building technical trails. It's a PDF
    document and is available here: 'Whistler Trail Standards document'
    (whistlercycling.orgtrail standards.pdf)

    One thing it mentions about the building of North Shore
    style stunts is to make the less skilled riders fall early.
    Put a narrow section or difficult turn early in the stunt
    and keep that section close to the ground. Less skilled
    riders will not make it past that section, or they'll catch
    a clue that the stunt may be too big for them. Then after
    that little introductory section the stunt can get higher
    off the ground and get more crazy.

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  13. john_childs said:

    *One thing it mentions about the building of North Shore
    style stunts is to make the less skilled riders fall
    early. Put a narrow section or difficult turn early in the
    stunt and keep that section close to the ground. Less
    skilled riders will not make it past that section, or
    they'll catch a clue that the stunt may be too big for
    them. Then after that little introductory section the
    stunt can get higher off the ground and get more crazy. *

    Yep, that's a great building practice....we call it a CHOKE.
    We're not always consistant about incorporating them but it'
    an excellent technique

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  14. Of course the best way to get past all the legal business is
    to have your own patch. I have started (slowly) building a
    trail in the little field next to my house, its kind of a
    long term project...which means that if i get working it has
    the potential to be really good. The field is a pretyty good
    location. there are no trees but mud and steep slopes are
    plentiful! Cumbrian folks would of course be welcome to come
    and use it once its good if they promise to be gental in
    their suing . And theyd be even more welcome to help me make
    an effort and get some serious work done on it!

    TIm (he of no signature...yet)

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