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  1. I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to prevent
    a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12 mins. at 450
    degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it expands to almost a
    half inch above the rim of the pan, but I've never been able
    to cool it without having it fall about 1/4 inch below the
    rim. Actually, if I could keep it from expanding so much to
    begin with, I suspect that would help, but I don't know what
    to adjust. It still tastes fine, and everyone who's eaten
    some always takes several pieces home, but I think it's too
    dense at the end. Besides vanilla and lemon extract, the
    ingredients include 40 oz. cream cheese, 3 T flour, 1.75 C
    sugar, 4-5 eggs + 2 yolks and 1/4 C cream.

    --

    L. Raymond

  2. L. Raymond said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12
    mins. at 450 degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it
    expands to almost a half inch above the rim of the pan,
    but I've never been able to cool it without having it
    fall about 1/4 inch below the rim. Actually, if I could
    keep it from expanding so much to begin with, I suspect
    that would help, but I don't know what to adjust. It
    still tastes fine, and everyone who's eaten some always
    takes several pieces home, but I think it's too dense at
    the end. Besides vanilla and lemon extract, the
    ingredients include 40 oz. cream cheese, 3 T flour, 1.75
    C sugar, 4-5 eggs + 2 yolks and 1/4 C cream.

    Turn off the oven and leave the cheesecake undisturbed for
    another hour.

    Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  3. L. Raymond said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling.

    Did you let it cool in the oven?

    ~john

  4. On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:38:49 GMT, L. Raymond <[email hidden]>
    Interjected.. :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12
    mins. at 450 degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it
    expands to almost a half inch above the rim of the pan,
    but I've never been able to cool it without having it
    fall about 1/4 inch below the rim. Actually, if I could
    keep it from expanding so much to begin with, I suspect
    that would help, but I don't know what to adjust. It
    still tastes fine, and everyone who's eaten some always
    takes several pieces home, but I think it's too dense at
    the end. Besides vanilla and lemon extract, the
    ingredients include 40 oz. cream cheese, 3 T flour, 1.75
    C sugar, 4-5 eggs + 2 yolks and 1/4 C cream.

    Just made one last night. I'm no experienced baker, so I
    had used Alton Brown's recipe. Even though I promised
    myself I will not make any of his recipes ever again. They
    are not based on reality.

    This time, the cheesecake is still chilling and came out
    great. And did not fall. The taste was fantastic, just
    licking the bowl told me that. It looks great.

    The difference: The recipe calls to bake the crust of
    graham crackers at 350F for 10 minutes and add the filling
    to the cooled pan and bake it at 250 for 1 hour. Let the
    heat out, and leave the cheesecake in there for another
    hour, then chill.

    Your ingredients are identical. Almost. This one uses 20oz
    cream cheese, and sour cream added.

    My gripe with the recipe is that the graham crackers were
    not nearly enough for the task, and the filling was too
    much by a third. So I had to use two extra large ramekins
    in addition.

    The big difference I see is the temperatures. I'll repost
    his recipe here so you can see what I mean. The fact is,
    that it is baked well, and did not fall at all.

    *****

    Cheesecake with Sour Cream Recipe courtesy Alton Brown

    Recipe Summary Prep Time: 25 minutes Cook Time: 2 hours
    Inactive Prep Time: 6 minutes Yield: 8 to 10 servings
    Crust: 33 graham cracker squares, crumbled 4 ounces (1
    stick) unsalted butter, melted, plus additional, for
    brushing the pan 1 tablespoon sugar Filling: 20 ounces
    cream cheese 1 1/4 cups sour cream 1 cup sugar 1 tablespoon
    vanilla extract 2 eggs 3 yolks
    1/3 cup heavy cream

    Preheat oven to 300 degrees F. Brush some of the melted
    butter around a 9 by 3-inch cake pan. Adhere parchment to
    the bottom and the sides. In a small bowl, combine crumbled
    graham crackers, the remaining melted butter, and 1
    tablespoon of sugar. Press 2/3 of the mixture into the
    bottom of the parchment-lined pan. Place remaining crumbs on
    a sheet pan and bake both the crust and the remaining
    mixture for 10 minutes. Cool. Reserve additional crumb
    mixture for sides.

    In a mixer with a paddle attachment, beat sour cream for 10
    seconds. Add the cream cheese and sugar and mix on low for
    30 seconds and then turn up to medium. Scrape the bowl.

    In a separate container, combine vanilla, eggs, yolks, and
    heavy cream. With the mixer on medium, slowly pour the
    liquid mixture in. When half of it is incorporated, stop and
    scrape. Continue adding the mixture until the rest of the
    ingredients are incorporated. Once completely combined, pour
    into the cooled crust.

    Lower oven temperature to 250 degrees F. Place cheesecake
    into a preheated water bath, in the oven for 1 hour. Turn
    the oven off and open the door for one minute. Close the
    door for one more hour. Remove the cheesecake from the water
    bath and place in the refrigerator for 6 hours to completely
    cool before serving.

    When ready to serve, place the entire cake pan into a hot
    water bath for about 15 seconds. Unmold onto a cake round or
    serving dish. Take the remaining graham cracker mixture and
    press into the sides of the cake.

    To slice, place your knife into a hot water bath and wipe
    dry each time you make a pass through the cake.

    Episode#: EA1E04

    Copyright © 2003 Television Food Network, G.P., All
    Rights Reserved

    Steve

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  5. (Curly Sue) said:

    Turn off the oven and leave the cheesecake undisturbed for
    another hour.

    Thanks, but I've done this without any effect on the
    falling.
    --

    L. Raymond

  6. Levelwave© said:
    L. Raymond said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling.

    Did you let it cool in the oven?

    I've turned the oven off and let it sit for an hour. I've
    dropped the temperature to 100 degrees and let it sit. I've
    taken it out and immediately put it under a dome to keep
    the heat in. It always tastes excellent, but I'm just not
    happy with the look.
    --

    L. Raymond

  7. Steve Ritter said:

    This time, the cheesecake is still chilling and came out
    great. And did not fall. The taste was fantastic, just
    licking the bowl told me that. It looks great.

    The difference: The recipe calls to bake the crust of
    graham crackers at 350F for 10 minutes and add the filling
    to the cooled pan and bake it at 250 for 1 hour. Let the
    heat out, and leave the cheesecake in there for another
    hour, then chill.

    Similar to my recipe, except I don't like gragham cracker
    crusts so I use a lemon pastry. It gets baked at 400 for
    about 8 minutes, cooled, then the filling is added.

    Quoted message said:

    The big difference I see is the temperatures. I'll repost
    his recipe here so you can see what I mean. The fact is,
    that it is baked well, and did not fall at all.

    I'll have to try these lower temps. I'm going to be making
    several cheesecakes soon for a little glaze-tasting party,
    so I'll have plenty of chances to experiment with
    different settings.

    Quoted message said:

    Lower oven temperature to 250 degrees F. Place cheesecake
    into a preheated water bath, in the oven for 1 hour. Turn
    the oven off and open the door for one minute. Close the
    door for one more hour. Remove the cheesecake from the
    water bath and place in the refrigerator for 6 hours to
    completely cool before serving.

    This is an idea a guest and I were just discussing,
    whether I should put the pan into a larger pan of water.
    Also I see he suggests here opening the oven for just a
    minute. I've tried not opening the door at all, or opening
    it for about 3-4 minutes. I'll have to try this shorter
    time, I guess.

    Thanks for these ideas; several things I'll have to try
    now.
    --

    L. Raymond

  8. L. Raymond said:
    (Curly Sue) said:

    Turn off the oven and leave the cheesecake undisturbed for
    another hour.

    Thanks, but I've done this without any effect on the
    falling.

    Try adding a couple more tbsp of flour. You might not have
    enough to stabilize the structure.

    Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  9. L. Raymond <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Levelwave© said:
    L. Raymond said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling.

    Did you let it cool in the oven?

    I've turned the oven off and let it sit for an hour. I've
    dropped the temperature to 100 degrees and let it sit.
    I've taken it out and immediately put it under a dome to
    keep the heat in. It always tastes excellent, but I'm
    just not happy with the look.
    --

    L. Raymond

    I had this last night and I'll admit it fell a little but
    not much and was very tasty and nicely browned. It was
    originally a kraft recipe but I talked her into modifing the
    Graham crust by removing 1/4 c crumbs and adding 1/4 cup
    chopped nuts. I think coconut in the crumbs would work too.

    It was dessert after a fine meal (roast beast) and it had
    only cooled about
    1.75 or 2 hours before we ate it....First time I had ever
    eaten a warmish Cheese Cake. But it won't be the last time
    as it was glorious and melted in your mouth more than a
    refridgerated cheesecake does.

    Orange Lime CheeseCake

    1 cup Graham Waffer Crumbs
    2/4 cup Chopped Nuts (Hazelnuts or Pecans)
    3/4 cup Melted Butter 3 pkg (8oz/250gr each) Cream Cheese
    Room temp. 1 cup Sugar 1 ts Vanilla 1 TB (each) Lemon,
    Lime, & Orange Juice 1 TB (each) Lemon, Lime, & Orange
    Peel 3 Eggs

    Combine Crumbs, nuuts and Melted Butter and Press into a 9
    inch Spring Form Pan.

    Beat Cream Cheese, Sugar and Vanilla on Med Speed till well
    Blended. Blend in Juices and Peels. Add eggs 1 at a time
    mixing well in between.

    Pour over the crust.

    Bake at 350F for 45-50 minutes or untill center is
    almost set.

    Cool completely on a rack and refridgerate 4 hours or over
    night before serving.

    Quite enjoyable eaten after barely cooled (almost room temp)
    Serve with whipped Cream.

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  10. "L. Raymond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Steve Ritter <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:


    This is an idea a guest and I were just discussing,
    whether I should put the pan into a larger pan of water.
    Also I see he suggests here opening the oven for just a
    minute. I've tried not opening the door at all, or
    opening it for about 3-4 minutes. I'll have to try this
    shorter time, I guess.

    Thanks for these ideas; several things I'll have to
    try now.

    I think the pan of water is a must. I make cheesecakes
    fairly often and always do this, and have always had perfect
    (well nearly ;o) cakes.

  11. set it in a sheet pan with water in it when you cook it.

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  12. Steve Knight <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    set it in a sheet pan with water in it when you cook it.

    Be sure and seal the exterior of the springform pan with
    foil when setting it in a pan of water.

    Wayne

  13. "L. Raymond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12
    mins. at 450 degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it
    expands to almost a half inch above the rim of the pan,
    but I've never been able to cool it without having it
    fall about 1/4 inch below the rim. Actually, if I could
    keep it from expanding so much to begin with, I suspect
    that would help, but I don't know what to adjust. It
    still tastes fine, and everyone who's eaten some always
    takes several pieces home, but I think it's too dense at
    the end. Besides vanilla and lemon extract, the
    ingredients include 40 oz. cream cheese, 3 T flour, 1.75
    C sugar, 4-5 eggs + 2 yolks and 1/4 C cream.

    Here is a slightly different view of the problem. It's not
    that you have a problem with your cheesecake falling. Your
    problem is that it expanded. While there will be some
    expansion, you want to minimize it. The most common error it
    to over-beat the mixture. This incorporates too much air and
    expansion follows. As others have mentioned, moderating the
    temperature with a water bath will help. You will not only
    avoid over-expansion, but the texture will be better. Follow
    the advice about slow cooling. Also, when you do remove the
    cake from the oven, release it from the sides of the pan
    before letting it come to room temperature.

  14. "L. Raymond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]... It always tastes

    Quoted message said:

    excellent, but I'm just not happy with the look.

    Well, to save the look of it, just put some strawberries on
    top, and no-one will notice :-)

  15. Vox Humana said:

    Here is a slightly different view of the problem. It's not
    that you have a problem with your cheesecake falling. Your
    problem is that it expanded. While there will be some
    expansion, you want to minimize it. The most common error
    it to over-beat the mixture.

    That sounds likely. Once the batter reaches a pudding-like
    consistency there's still beating for each egg and the
    yolks, and I probably get carried away.

    Quoted message said:

    This incorporates too much air and expansion follows. As
    others have mentioned, moderating the temperature with a
    water bath will help. You will not only avoid over-
    expansion, but the texture will be better. Follow the
    advice about slow cooling. Also, when you do remove the
    cake from the oven, release it from the sides of the pan
    before letting it come to room temperature.

    Thanks; I'll try these ideas for the next one.

    --

    L. Raymond

  16. "L. Raymond" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Vox Humana said:

    Here is a slightly different view of the problem. It's
    not that you have


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    problem with your cheesecake falling. Your problem is
    that it expanded. While there will be some expansion, you
    want to minimize it. The most common error it to over-
    beat the mixture.

    That sounds likely. Once the batter reaches a pudding-
    like consistency there's still beating for each egg and
    the yolks, and I probably get carried away.

    Here is what works for me. I put about half of the cheese
    and all of the sugar and flour or cornstarch in the mixer
    and combine them on low (speed 2 on the kitchenaid). When
    that is all combined, I add the rest of the cheese, one
    package at a time. After all the sugar, starch, and cheese
    is combined, I increase the speed slightly and add the eggs,
    one at a time, until they are incorporated. At that point I
    turn off the mixer and stir in any cream or sour cream by
    hand. I never go above speed 4 and I only beat until the
    eggs disappear.

  17. In article <[email hidden]>, L. Raymond

    Quoted message said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12
    mins. at 450 degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it
    expands to almost a half inch above the rim of the pan,
    but I've never been able to cool it without having it
    fall about 1/4 inch below the rim. Actually, if I could
    keep it from expanding so much to begin with, I suspect
    that would help, but I don't know what to adjust. It
    still tastes fine, and everyone who's eaten some always
    takes several pieces home, but I think it's too dense at
    the end.

    I wouldn't start it at such a high temperature. I think I
    bake mine at 375 for about 50-60 minutes.

    Regards. Ranee

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  18. In article <[email hidden]>, Steve Ritter

    Quoted message said:

    The difference: The recipe calls to bake the crust of
    graham crackers at 350F for 10 minutes...

    Oh, that is something else I do, I bake the crust 10
    minutes in advance, then pour the filling in.

    Regards, Ranee

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  19. Ranee Mueller said:

    Oh, that is something else I do, I bake the crust 10
    minutes in advance, then pour the filling in.

    I must be very odd. I can't stand any crusts on my
    cheesecake. I just like the solid dense cheesecake itself
    without anything else. Goomba

  20. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm wondering if anyone can offer hints as to how to
    prevent a cheesecake from falling. When it bakes (12
    mins. at 450 degrees followed by 55 mins. at 300), it
    expands to almost a half inch above the rim of the
    pan, but I've never been able to cool it without
    having it fall about 1/4 inch below the rim. Actually,
    if I could keep it from expanding so much to begin
    with, I suspect that would help, but I don't know what
    to adjust. It still tastes fine, and everyone who's
    eaten some always takes several pieces home, but I
    think it's too dense at the end.


    _______________________________________________________

    I always bake mine at a very low temperature for the whole
    time. If you think yours is too dense, you might not like
    the following recipe, but it is a wonderful new york style
    cheesecake ... It took me about 3 years to perfect this
    recipe. It tastes best after it sits and chills in the
    fridge for a few days. It also freezes well after it has had
    a couple of days to compact and settle. My oven temperature
    reads a little higher than it actually is so I think I'm
    baking this at about 275 degrees for the three hours.

    WHITE CHOCOLATE CHEESECAKE - My own recipe (Dori) one of the
    best cheesecakes I've ever eaten - (just my opinion) 565
    Calories per slice CRUST:
    1/4 cup grated pecans 1 cup shortbread cookie
    crumbs (use more if you want thicker crust)
    2/2 stick butter CHEESECAKE 3 - 8 oz packages
    Cream Cheese 2 - cups sour cream 1 - package
    white chocolate chips (12 oz) 3 - eggs 1 - cup
    sugar 3 - Tablespoons butter
    3/4 cup flour 1 - tsp vanilla extract 1 - tsp Almond
    extract POUR into a springform pan BAKE in Waterbath
    in 300 degree oven until set (about 3 hours) COOL in
    oven - yields 16 slices DECORATE with drizzles of
    melted milk chocolate diluted with cream.

    Nutrition Facts per serving: Total: carbohydrates (from
    Sugar 64 grams) 70 grams (280 Calories) Protein 6 grams (24
    Calories) Fat 29 grams (261 Calories)

    Total Calories per slice: (16 slices for this recipe) = 565

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------
    ---------------

    WHITE CHOCOLATE CHEESECAKE (not as good as the recipe above
    - but much less fattening) My recipe (Dori Lamer Neu) )
    adapted for the Diabetic diet

    CRUST chopped nuts (just dust bottom of greased pan)
    CHEESECAKE 3 - 8 oz packages low-fat Cream Cheese 2 - cups
    nonfat sour cream 6 oz white chocolate chips 3 - eggs 1 -
    cup splenda 2 - Tablespoons butter
    4/4 cup flour 1 - tsp vanilla extract 1 -
    tsp Almond extract BAKE in Waterbath in
    300 degree oven until set (about 3 hours)
    COOL in oven

    16 SERVINGS @ 220 calories per serving EXCHANGES: 2 fat 1
    starch - high fat meat

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