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  1. ~~~ thanks Kathi ... great article! ~~~

    Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that is

    realhealthnews.comrealhealthnews.com

    Just for the record: There's no excuse for crime, in my
    eyes.

    But that doesn't stop drug manufacturers, HMOs, hospitals
    and insurance companies from shamelessly ripping us off left
    and right for their poisonous pills, hazardous mammograms
    and needless MRIs, does it? And what does our government do
    while they fleece us blind? They sit back and collect those
    nice, fat tax revenue checks as prices spiral up and out of
    reach of average Americans. I ask you: Where's their
    incentive to help trim our health care costs by freeing the
    free enterprise system to do what it does best - create the
    healthy competition that drives prices down...

    This is the fundamental principle our system is based on,
    but it's nothing more than a fantasy in this day and age.
    Nowadays, there's really no such thing as competition in the
    medical world. Why? Because doctors and hospitals
    artificially inflate their prices for care because they know
    someone other than the patient is paying the bills - which
    is why in order to pay for our medical bills, we now NEED
    those greedy insurance companies, HMO's, and government
    handouts. The only other way to pay for your health care is
    if you're independently wealthy...

    Unless you ROB A BANK!

    That's what one 71-year-old Florida man did just half an
    hour before his wife's doctor's appointment. Caught by
    police after the dye-pack in the money-bag exploded as he
    left the bank, the septuagenarian told investigators he
    needed the cash to pay for his wife's medical care! Like a
    modern-day American Gothic version of Bonnie and Clyde, this
    elderly man and his accomplice wife (she drove the getaway
    car) are now in a heap o' trouble - ostensibly because
    doctors cost so much. I guess they should look at the bright
    side, though: Medical care costs nothing in jail.

    This example is comical, sure, but it's also telling and
    tragic. Gone are the days when medical care was an
    affordable, cash-on-the-barrelhead proposition, just like
    car maintenance, carpentry work, or buying livestock. Gone
    are the days when doctors and hospitals had to keep their
    prices low or else their competitor across town would get
    the business. And gone are the days when YOU decide what
    your medical options are, not some pointy-headed, bean-
    counting pencil pusher who's paying the bloated bills.

    Talk about robbery in the name of medicine, huh?

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    Why? Because the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA have
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    Remember a while back when I told you about that whack-job
    doctor (who's likely still licensed somewhere in this
    country, by the way) who implanted a freshly sawed-off
    section of screwdriver into a person's spine because he'd
    misplaced in mid-operation the high-tech titanium rod that
    was supposed to be installed? (Daily Dose, 10/17)

    That kind of stuff makes headlines here in America for its
    rarity - but apparently it's par for the course across the
    pond in Britain!

    According to a recent Reuters online article, British
    surgeons are commonly using such household items as PAPER
    CLIPS and CLOTHES PINS during common medical procedures.
    Not emergency measures in the field, mind you, but routine
    operating-room scenarios. Relaying the findings of a
    Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency report, the article
    outlined instances in which common paper clips (and
    urinary catheters) were used to close wounds - and wooden
    clothes pegs were used to attach pulse oximeters to
    patients' bodies...

    Amusing? Not really. The report also cites instances in
    which this type of medical improvisation led to some
    disastrous consequences: Widespread use of ordinary tongue
    depressors as splints for infants' limbs were directly
    responsible for two deaths and one amputation from
    infection!

    I wonder: Is this the kind of thing we could expect in
    America if our health-care system becomes governmentalized,
    like Britain's? Believe it or not, many in left-leaning
    socialized medicine circles tout the British health care
    system as being one to emulate - even with such snafus (and
    horrendous waiting times for even routines procedures, I'm
    told) into the bargain. But you don't even have to look
    that far to see the degeneracy of government medicine -
    just a glance northward. Canadians swarm south to get
    surgical care.

    Don't know about you, but I'll take my chances here any day.

    Waving a red flag because I don't want to live under one,

    William Campbell Douglass II, MD

  2. Quoted message said:

    ~~~ thanks Kathi ... great article! ~~~

    Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that is

    realhealthnews.comrealhealthnews.com

    Just for the record: There's no excuse for crime, in my
    eyes.

    But that doesn't stop drug manufacturers, HMOs, hospitals
    and insurance companies from shamelessly ripping us off
    left and right for their poisonous pills, hazardous
    mammograms and needless MRIs, does it?

  3. [email hidden] (Sweet Ilsa9) wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ~~~ thanks Kathi ... great article! ~~~

    Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that is

    realhealthnews.comrealhealthnews.com

    Just for the record: There's no excuse for crime, in
    my eyes.

    But that doesn't stop drug manufacturers, HMOs, hospitals
    and insurance companies from shamelessly ripping us off
    left and right for their poisonous pills, hazardous
    mammograms and needless MRIs, does it?


    Quoted message said:

    Like anyone is forcing people to take pills, get cancer
    screenings or even take an MRI. The originals posters agenda
    is as obvious as the proverbial nose.

    r

    --
    Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with
    DLT tapes.

  4. Too Many Mammograms Performed?

    Recent data from the University of Washington and Harvard
    University reveals that over a period of a single decade,
    one out of every two women will have a false positive result
    as the result of mammography, and of those, nearly 20
    percent will undergo an unnecessary breast biopsy. (9)
    Contrary to what many health-related agencies advise, recent
    findings seem to demonstrate that too many rather than too
    few mammograms are performed every year in the United
    States. Further, estimates show that for every $100 spent on
    the cost of mammograms, $33 goes to the unproductive and
    unnecessary expense of false positive results.

  5. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that is
    From: [email hidden] (Jan)
    Date: 4/17/2004 1:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    one out of every two women will have a false positive
    result as the result of

    ok....so what???

    tho I believe that figure is far far too high...personally
    have had mammos since age 35...have never had a
    positive..false or otherwise..

    Quoted message said:

    nearly 20 percent will undergo an unnecessary breast
    biopsy. (9) Contrary to what many health-related agencies
    advise, recent findings seem to demonstrate that too many
    rather than too few mammograms are performed every

    this truly shows YOUR ignorance Janny....what woman would
    NOT be thrilled to have an "unneccessary" biopsy..as you put
    it..to rule out breast cancer??

    wouldn't bother ME in the least...those of us intelligent
    enough to grasp the meaning of statistics...and the "not
    100%" accuracy of many diagnostic tests (well except the
    imbeciles like you who believe liver flukes can be
    zapped)....usually accept as reality that diagnostic tests
    do the BEST that they can...that follow up..ie biopsies are
    sometimes needed...is NOT an indication that the test is bad
    per se...but that it raises a red flag...that..again...those
    of us intelligent enough to grasp the significance welcome

    The best news I can give a patient after a negative breast
    biopsy is "good news..the biopsy is negative".....have never
    had a patient gripe that it wasn't positive!!!

    yikes you are a moron...

    Quoted message said:

    Further, estimates show that for every $100 spent on the
    cost of mammograms, $33 goes to the unproductive and
    unnecessary expense of false positive results.

    so....that leaves $67 well spent...in my book..

    don't like them odds...skip it Janny...will save the rest of
    us some money

    again..just don't come knocking on MY ER when you get
    into trouble

    hawki.....

  6. [email hidden] (Hawki63) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that
    is From: [email hidden] (Jan) Date: 4/17/2004 1:14 PM
    Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: <20040417161409.19251.00000019@mb-
    m07.aol.com>

    Quoted message said:

    one out of every two women will have a false positive
    result as the result of

    ok....so what???

    tho I believe that figure is far far too high...personally
    have had mammos since age 35...have never had a
    positive..false or otherwise..

    Quoted message said:

    nearly 20 percent will undergo an unnecessary breast
    biopsy. (9) Contrary to what many health-related
    agencies advise, recent findings seem to demonstrate
    that too many rather than too few mammograms are
    performed every

    this truly shows YOUR ignorance Janny....what woman would
    NOT be thrilled to have an "unneccessary" biopsy..as you
    put it..to rule out breast cancer??

    wouldn't bother ME in the least...those of us intelligent
    enough to grasp the meaning of statistics...and the "not
    100%" accuracy of many diagnostic tests (well except the
    imbeciles like you who believe liver flukes can be
    zapped)....usually accept as reality that diagnostic tests
    do the BEST that they can...that follow up..ie biopsies
    are sometimes needed...is NOT an indication that the test
    is bad per se...but that it raises a red
    flag...that..again...those of us intelligent enough to
    grasp the significance welcome

    The best news I can give a patient after a negative breast
    biopsy is "good news..the biopsy is negative".....have
    never had a patient gripe that it wasn't positive!!!

    yikes you are a moron...

    Quoted message said:

    Further, estimates show that for every $100 spent on the
    cost of mammograms, $33 goes to the unproductive and
    unnecessary expense of false positive results.

    so....that leaves $67 well spent...in my book..

    don't like them odds...skip it Janny...will save the rest
    of us some money

    again..just don't come knocking on MY ER when you get
    into trouble

    hawki.....

    About 2 years ago -- shortly after a *negative* routine
    mammogram -- I found a lump during SBE. Ultrasound couldn't
    determine what it was, nor could the 2 doctors who examined
    me. It developed quickly & was becoming uncomfortable. Its
    excision & biopsy gave me one of the GREATEST pieces of
    news I've ever heard -- "it's NOT cancerous & we removed
    the tissue". A very faint scar is a reminder to me of how
    lucky I am.

    It was worth every damn penny it cost. And I'll get a
    mammogram every year & follow up on anything out of the
    ordinary. Just like the other exams & tests I undergo.
    Finding a deadly disease while there's a greater chance of
    successfully fighting it makes sense.

    As someone who goes on & on about the value of "personal
    experience", Jan might want to ask women who have had so-
    called "unecessary" mammograms, ultrasounds, & biopsies for
    their opinions.

    To those who complain about "$33.00 out of $100.00 wasted"
    -- pound sand.

  7. (Sweet Ilsa9) said:
    Quoted message said:

    ~~~ thanks Kathi ... great article! ~~~

    Crime doesn't pay - the medical bills, that is

    realhealthnews.comrealhealthnews.com

    Just for the record: There's no excuse for crime, in
    my eyes.

    But that doesn't stop drug manufacturers, HMOs, hospitals
    and insurance companies from shamelessly ripping us off
    left and right for their poisonous pills, hazardous
    mammograms and needless MRIs, does it?


    The thinking goes like this.

    1. Tell women that mammograms are dangerous so that they
    stop having regular checks which can detect breast cancer
    early enough to allow relatively successful treatment.

    2. When the cancer has grown enough to be palpable, tell the
    woman horror stories about "cut, burn and poison" and get
    her to use zappers, essiac tea, laetrile,
    antineoplastons, coloured lights, vitamins and anything
    else you can think of until the money runs out or the
    cancer has obviously progressed to the stage where she
    finally, in desperation, goes to see a real doctor.

    3. When the doctor says that the only way to save her life
    is to perform a complete mastectomy, tell her that she
    must not even think about breast reconstruction using an
    implant. She can always stuff one side of her bra with
    Kleenex tissues.

    4. If the cancer has metastasised, get her to cash in her
    life insurance (see
    ratbags.comescrow.htm) to pay
    for more quackery and go back to Step 2.

    5. Laugh. Go back to Step 1.

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