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Another Typical Mountain Biker Demonstrates Their Utter Ignorance of Basic Biology

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  1. At 02:28 PM 4/12/04 -0500, Jonathan Fogel
    <[email hidden]> wrote: July 2, 1993

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    Auto-Free Bay Area Coalition / 510-849-0770

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    P.O. Box 10141

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    Berkeley, California 94709

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    Dear Dr. Vandeman,

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    I recently read your letter to the Auto-Free Bay Area
    Coalition, (Re:


    Appropriate and Inappropriate Uses of the Bicycle; Promoting
    Bicycling) written July 2, 1993. Despite the fact that this
    letter was written over 10 years ago, I found it difficult
    to restrain myself from throwing rotten vegetables at my
    monitor. From your retro-grouch stance, I'm willing to bet
    that you are still to this day, of the same opinion in
    regards to trail usage.

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    I consider myself an environmentalist and a road cyclist /
    mountain biker /


    hiker.

    That's a contradiction. Mountain bikers are NOT
    environmentalists.

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    I'm also a progressive, open minded individual who is
    able to roll


    with the issues at hand and not afraid to change my opinions
    if it benefits the whole.

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    Now that we got that out of the way, I wanted to address a
    few points of


    your letter. Judging from your extreme leftist slant, I'd be
    willing to bet you're not a fan of President Bush and his
    dogmatic rhetoric. I just wanted to point out to you how
    similar your style is.

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    "However, a bicycle is still a tool of technology, and
    like all such tools


    can be used for good or "evil"."

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    Isn't it a little sociocentric, and overzealous to assume
    that mountain


    biking his inherently "evil"

    I don't assume it. I prove it.

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    I know of things happening in the world right


    now that are truly evil, and let me tell you, mountain
    biking isn't one of them. I found it quite childish and
    smacking of the religious right, not to mention cheap and
    quite frankly, unintelligent.

    Tell that to the wildlife you have killed by crusing them.

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    We Mountain bikers are trail users. What we take from
    the trail is


    enjoyment, just like anyone else.

    As well as accelerating erosion and driving away other trail
    users and wildlife.

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    Unlike most user groups we give back. Here


    In Missouri and all over the country, our mountain bike
    culture is defined by an ethic of responsibility. Most of us
    here engage in trail maintenance on a regular basis.

    Trail maintenance, like trail construdtion, is a destructive
    activity. You also forgot to mention that you HAVE to do
    trail maintenance, because you destroy the trails.

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    We do it because we realize we use the trail more than


    most.

    And do most of the DAMAGE. Be honest!

    Despite this we don't do a lot of finger pointing. We don't
    complain that we are the only private user group here
    improving and maintaining our trail system for everyone.

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    The idea that a mountain bike could be responsible for the
    extinction of


    wildlife is quite honestly preposterous.

    I never said that. But it has contributed.

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    Quite honestly, I've never heard a


    more narrow-minded argument. In fact it wasn't much of ,
    just a weak, unsubstantiated slant. As for getting out into
    the backcountry, here in Missouri, we're not going anywhere
    a hiker can't get to. Besides, trails require usage...they
    don't maintain themselves.

    Trails only require maintenance if mountai bikers ruin them.

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    I'm sure if you had it your way we would be looking at
    nature from behind a


    glass wall, protected as it where in a sterile environment.
    It's perfectly fine with me if you want to exercise your
    right to abstain from a hike in the backcountry, but don't
    put our right to appreciate nature in jeopardy.

    So it is impossible for you to appreciate nature without
    being on a bike?! Can't you WALK?

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    With lack of appreciation comes lack of caring and
    commitment. It's the one


    of the founding principles of our National Park system.

    If mountain bikers appreciated nature, they wouldn't ride
    around it on knobby tires, ripping up the trails and killing
    the wildlife.

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    Sincerely,

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    Jonathan Fogel

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    P.S. When was the last time you physically did anything to
    improve your


    local trail system? Deeds not words.

    I pick up the trash whenever it needs it.
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    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
    to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the
    previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
    construction.)

    home.pacbell.netmjvande

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    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
    to morons ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the last
    900=20 Years fighting idiots and cretins.)

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    Mike Vandeman<[email hidden]> 4/12/2004 11:33:03
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    At 02:28 PM 4/12/04 -0500, Jonathan Fogel
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    Auto-Free Bay Area Coalition / 510-849-0770

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    P.O. Box 10141=20

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    Berkeley, California 94709

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    Dear Dr. Vandeman,

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  3. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    At 02:28 PM 4/12/04 -0500, Jonathan Fogel
    <[email hidden]>


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    July 2, 1993

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    That's a contradiction. Mountain bikers are NOT
    environmentalists.

    neither is one who's mere existence comes from the benefit
    of motorized transportation or any other fossil fuel
    derivative such as plastic, natural gas, rubber, asphalt,
    etc. etc. etc.

    you say a mountain biker is not an environmentalist since
    they ride on the trail yet your pathetic existence is based
    on benefiting from envionmental damage as well. by your own
    logic, you are also not an environmentalist. you can't have
    different standards for yourself than you do others
    (although it does make your side of the argument easier)

    idiot

  4. Mike Vandeman wrote: <snip>

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    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
    limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent
    the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
    construction.)

    home.pacbell.netmjvande


    Mike, what is your address? I had a visitor in my house
    today. A racoon that climbed in for some cat food. I
    considered sending him to you. He fit nicely in my cat
    carrier. Hopefully, your human proof barrier will keep him
    in from human home. But because I was not set up to ship
    immediately, I took him to the police, who released him at a
    lake about 2 miles away. Oh, I could try to donate a family
    of 6 white tail deer. They keep running across my yard in
    the same place. One was hit and killed last summer. About 2
    weeks ago another deer did not leave any blood behind, just
    some hair in the bent bumper and the plate frame broke off
    on the pickup truck.

  5. On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 00:37:20 -0500, Mike Schwab <[email hidden]> wrote:

    . . .Mike Vandeman wrote: .<snip> .> === .> I am working on
    creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .> humans
    ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .>
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) .> .>
    home.pacbell.netmjvande .Mike, what is your address?

    The White House Washington, D.C.

    I had a visitor in my house today. A .racoon that climbed
    in for some cat food. I considered sending him to .you. He
    fit nicely in my cat carrier.

    Good. Send him right away.

    Hopefully, your human proof .barrier will keep him in from
    human home. But because I was not set up .to ship
    immediately, I took him to the police, who released him at
    a .lake about 2 miles away. Oh, I could try to donate a
    family of 6 white .tail deer. They keep running across my
    yard in the same place. One was .hit and killed last
    summer. About 2 weeks ago another deer did not .leave any
    blood behind, just some hair in the bent bumper and the
    plate .frame broke off on the pickup truck.

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits
    to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the
    previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
    construction.)

    home.pacbell.netmjvande

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