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  1. "BUY a flat and get a free bike. That will be the deal for
    people who snap up one of more than 60 new flats in
    Southampton city centre.

    Developers are offering the sweetener because there will be
    no car parking spaces on the site. Instead, there will be
    spaces for each resident to park their bicycles.

    The pioneering project - the first of its kind in the area -
    will see new owners at a block in St Mary Street each given
    a bicycle with their flats.

    They will also have the use of a fleet of six electrically
    powered cycles as part of an initiative which has already
    won plaudits from green campaign group Transport 2000.

    The electric cycles will be made available for residents
    under a booking system which will be operated by the
    managing agents at the flats.

    Work is likely to begin this summer on the development which
    is due to be completed in summer 2005.

    City highways bosses and developers Cindan Land Ltd will be
    monitoring the scheme's success on cutting down congestion
    and pollution.

    The flats are likely to sell for about £100,000.

    The new four-storey block of 63 one-bedroom apartments will
    be built above former shops in St Mary Street opposite the
    city's Bellway housing development.

    Developers are also being forced to provide public open
    space and a children's play area as part of the multi-
    million pound development.

    Roger Hurt, of Cindan Land Ltd, said: "We have conducted
    quite a bit of research into electric vehicles and we
    thought this was the way to go. There is no car parking
    available at the site but this is an environmentally
    friendly approach which will help the government meet its
    pollution targets."

    Transport 2000 Steve Hounsham spokesman said: "This is a
    forward thinking and, it has to be said, a brave move.

    "We would certainly applaud efforts by developers to
    encourage people to use sustainable transport and there
    will be a lot of people out there who will be impressed
    with this scheme.

    "People do want to escape from the stranglehold of the car
    and this scheme is obviously very innovative and exciting.

    "It deserves a lot of attention and we would certainly like
    to see a lot more pro-active schemes of this kind to get
    people back on two wheels instead of four."

    The chairman of Southampton City Council's planning and
    rights of way committee Councillor John Slade said: "I am
    glad that companies are now trying to be more innovative in
    respect of the development of land in the city. We will
    watch this scheme with interest to see if it is successful."

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  2. If there's no car parking, where are people going to keep
    their cars? If the buyers don't already own cars, they
    probably already have bikes. I doubt the option to 'book'
    the use of a bike is going to lure people into buying a one-
    bedroom flat at £100'000. Which market are they going for?
    Young professionals are the usual target for one bedroom.

    Who is going to maintain and replace the bikes? The
    developers? The householders?

  3. Quoted message said:

    They will also have the use of a fleet of six electrically
    powered cycles

    Ugh.

  4. Simonb said:

    If there's no car parking, where are people going to keep
    their cars?

    St Mary's is ideal for anyone who works in the City itself
    and not too far for anyone working at the Uni or the various
    hospitals and med schools.

    Don't be such a curmudgeon ;-)

    --
    Guy
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    Washington University

  5. Quoted message said:

    Don't be such a curmudgeon ;-)

    I'm not being curmudgeonly. I just think it's a gimmick.

  6. "Simonb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    If there's no car parking, where are people going to keep
    their cars? If the buyers don't already own cars, they
    probably already have bikes. I doubt the option to 'book'
    the use of a bike is going to lure people into buying a
    one-bedroom flat at £100'000....

    £100k is cheap for a 1 bed flat as they often go for about
    £110-£120 here in rural somerset!

  7. "Simonb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They will also have the use of a fleet of six
    electrically powered cycles

    Ugh.

    Not if you are disabled!

  8. Quoted message said:

    £100k is cheap for a 1 bed flat as they often go for about
    £110-£120 here


    in rural

    Quoted message said:

    somerset!

    You've never been to St Mary Street.

  9. Quoted message said:

    Not if you are disabled!

    Eh?

  10. Simonb said:
    Quoted message said:

    Don't be such a curmudgeon ;-)


    I'm not being curmudgeonly. I just think it's a gimmick.

    The free bike? For sure. The car-free flats? Anything but.

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    Guy
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    Washington University

  11. Quoted message said:

    The free bike? For sure. The car-free flats? Anything but.

    OK. I see your point. But it's trivialising bikes.

  12. Simonb said:
    Quoted message said:

    The free bike? For sure. The car-free flats?
    Anything but.


    OK. I see your point. But it's trivialising bikes.

    Really? I didn't see it that way, more as a broad hint
    really ;-)

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    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  13. Not Responding said:

    "BUY a flat and get a free bike. That will be the deal for
    people who snap up one of more than 60 new flats in
    Southampton city centre.

    Developers are offering the sweetener because there will be
    no car parking spaces on the site. Instead, there will be
    spaces for each resident to park their bicycles. ... The
    new four-storey block of 63 one-bedroom apartments will be
    built above former shops in St Mary Street opposite the
    city's Bellway housing development.

    It would have to be a very secure space. It's not the most
    salubrious area of town.

  14. Simonb said:
    Quoted message said:

    £100k is cheap for a 1 bed flat as they often go for
    about £110-£120 here in rural somerset!


    You've never been to St Mary Street.

    And if you have, you'd keep quiet about it ;-)

    --
    Guy
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    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  15. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by -Lsqnot Respond
    "BUY a flat and get a free bike. That will be the deal for
    people who snap up one of more than 60 new flats in
    Southampton city centre.

    Developers are offering the sweetener because there will be
    no car parking spaces on the site. Instead, there will be
    spaces for each resident to park their bicycles.

    The pioneering project - the first of its kind in the area -
    will see new owners at a block in St Mary Street each given
    a bicycle with their flats.

    They will also have the use of a fleet of six electrically
    powered cycles as part of an initiative which has already
    won plaudits from green campaign group Transport 2000.

    The electric cycles will be made available for residents
    under a booking system which will be operated by the
    managing agents at the flats.

    Work is likely to begin this summer on the development which
    is due to be completed in summer 2005.

    City highways bosses and developers Cindan Land Ltd will be
    monitoring the scheme's success on cutting down congestion
    and pollution.

    The flats are likely to sell for about £100,000.

    Developers are also being forced to provide public open
    space and a children's play area as part of the multi-
    million pound development.

    Transport 2000 Steve Hounsham spokesman said: "This is a
    forward thinking and, it has to be said, a brave move.

    "It deserves a lot of attention and we would certainly like
    to see a lot more pro-active schemes of this kind to get
    people back on two wheels instead of four."

    The chairman of Southampton City Council's planning and
    rights of way committee Councillor John Slade said: "I am
    glad that companies are now trying to be more innovative in
    respect of the development of land in the city. We will
    watch this scheme with interest to see if it is successful."

    Car-free residential schemes are not new, but very few have actually been built because of the general populus' slavish addiction to motor-transport.

    Without knowing the area I cannot comment on whether it is appropriate or not, but you are going to start seeing more of this sort of scheme as the Government's "brownfield" imperative (enshrined in documents like PPG3 Housing) starts to put the squeeze on developers and force them to look at more and more previously developed sites. Town Centres will be a favourite because of their existing public transport links.

    I cannot see the booking system for electric bikes being too easy to administer, but who knows? At least one company has been brave enough to try it - although the lure of a return on each flat of at least £60k will doubtless have played a part in their decision making as well 😉

  16. Not Responding said:

    The flats are likely to sell for about £100,000.

    I hope they give the new householders very nice bikes for
    that price! However, I question whether their target market
    (rich single people) will be willing to give up their cars
    for the privilege owning a swanky new flat. Such a
    development would be ideal[1] for me since I don't drive but
    since most cyclists own cars too I wonder if the flats will
    sell well.

    Regards,

    -david

    [1] Well, ideal if I had £100000 to spare of course...

  17. Simonb said:


    If there's no car parking, where are people going to keep
    their cars?

    Assuming some have cars it will have to be a long way away.
    So what? If they choose to buy one of the flats they will
    know that won't they?

    If the

    Quoted message said:

    buyers don't already own cars, they probably already have
    bikes. I doubt the option to 'book' the use of a bike is
    going to lure people into buying a one-bedroom flat at
    £100'000. Which market are they going for? Young
    professionals are the usual target for one bedroom.

    Does it really matter?

    Quoted message said:

    Who is going to maintain and replace the bikes? The
    developers? The householders?

    Does it really matter?

    John B

  18. "Simonb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    £100k is cheap for a 1 bed flat as they often go for
    about £110-£120 here


    in rural

    Quoted message said:

    somerset!

    You've never been to St Mary Street.

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    No streets by this name found in somerset.....plymouth is
    the closest match.

  19. Quoted message said:

    No streets by this name found in somerset.....plymouth is
    the closest


    match.

    It's in Southampton.

  20. Not Responding said:


    Developers are offering the sweetener because there will
    be no car parking spaces on the site. Instead, there will
    be spaces for each resident to park their bicycles.

    I saw some plans for flats in Harrogate which included
    residents' cycle parking. They would be going for similar
    prices, and are aimed at people working in the town away
    from home - an alternative to working out of hotels I
    suppose. One of the flats, mostly single room plus bathroom,
    seemed to be missing anything to wash yourself in. I think
    it had a loo, but not much else.

    - Richard

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