U-lock info

There's a lock test in the latest Cycling Plus...

"Steve Sharman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the
cost of it?

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:36:06 GMT, Steve Sharman

may have said:

Hi,

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the
cost of it?

Solely my opinion, based on apparent resistance to methods
commonly applied to defeat it: the Kryptonite New York 3000,
or the similar models that are sold in Europe.

kryptonitelock.comabtinetis.exOpen ↗
e/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=3035&atf=products_it-
em&pgrp=20

or

tinyurl.comst3hOpen ↗

Cost will vary according to where you buy it.

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I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and the
others will cease to be in business.

Then again, your milage may vary.

Rob

Werehatrack said:

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:36:06 GMT, Steve Sharman

may have said:

Hi,

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the
cost of it?

Solely my opinion, based on apparent resistance to methods
commonly applied to defeat it: the Kryptonite New York
3000, or the similar models that are sold in Europe.

kryptonitelock.comabtinetis.exOpen ↗
e/PublicArticleDetails@public?artid=3035&atf=products_it-
em&pgrp=20

or

tinyurl.comst3hOpen ↗

Cost will vary according to where you buy it.

robrac said:

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and
the others will cease to be in business.

Then again, your milage may vary.

Rob

What if the clearly superior lock is 5x more expensive than
any other and all you're doing is locking up a relatively
inexpensive commuter bike? ...that's why the "others" would
stay in business.

FWIW, I have a very old Kryptonite U-lock (1979 era) locked
throught the back wheel and seat tube of my best bike. Also
attached to the lock is a
5/8 diameter cable that runs through four other bikes. So
without cutting anything, you'd have to move all four
bikes as a bunch. They are all hanging off the garage
ceiling. ...oh yeah, the dogs have free reign of the yards
and garage!

Remember, all locks do is keep honest people honest and [censored] thieves enough to steal elsewhere.

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:28:47 GMT, robrac <[email hidden]>

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I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and
the others will cease to be in business.

Then again, your milage may vary.

If you have a $50 bike, it probably seems ludicrous to
spend $75 on a lock...but even a $50 bike needs a lock in
most places.

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robrac said:

Quoted message said:

may have said:

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the
cost of it?

Solely my opinion, based on apparent resistance to methods
commonly applied to defeat it: the Kryptonite New York
3000, or the similar models that are sold in Europe.

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and
the others will cease to be in business.

Never mind that this is manifest nonsense even where one
product is clearly superior (I know it's also an article of
faith amongst economists, but that doesn't make it true); it
makes even less sense here where different people have
different desires. Not everyone will regard the toughest
lock as superior irrespective of cost and weight.
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"Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If you have a $50 bike, it probably seems ludicrous to
spend $75 on a lock...but even a $50 bike needs a lock in
most places.

Not to me ... I'm paying so I don't have to walk home (c:

C.Q.C.

Werehatrack said:

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:28:47 GMT, robrac

may have said:

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and
the others will cease to be in business.

Then again, your milage may vary.

If you have a $50 bike, it probably seems ludicrous to
spend $75 on a lock...but even a $50 bike needs a lock in
most places.

In which case, the $75 lock is not clearly superior for the
conditions. If lock price to bike price ratio is the issue,
then the quality of the lock becomes immaterial.

skuke said:

robrac said:

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior
to all others, then everyone will buy the superior one,
and the others will cease to be in business.

Then again, your milage may vary.

Rob

What if the clearly superior lock is 5x more expensive than
any other and all you're doing is locking up a relatively
inexpensive commuter bike? ...that's why the "others" would
stay in business.

<SNIP>

Because there is no one lock which is clearly superior for
all conditions, and it is an incredibly personal decision of
how much money to spend for how much protection, and not a
question of what is the "best" lock to purchase, but what is
the best lock to purchase taking into consideration how much
the lock cost, how much the bike cost, how much the lock
weighs, how convienent is it to carry the lock, is it easy
enough to use in the middle of a rain storm, and so many
other variables that my mind is glazing over.

As my daughter likes to say, everyone has a solution to the
problem, but nobody has a solution that works for everyone.

So, my next suggestion is to find someone using a lock that
you think will do whatever it is that you want, look at it,
do not steal it, go to the lbs and purchase a similar lock.

Rob

On 07 Apr 2004 18:47:23 +0100 (BST), David Damerell

may have said:

robrac said:

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior to
all others, then everyone will buy the superior one, and
the others will cease to be in business.

Never mind that this is manifest nonsense even where one
product is clearly superior (I know it's also an article of
faith amongst economists, but that doesn't make it true);
it makes even less sense here where different people have
different desires. Not everyone will regard the toughest
lock as superior irrespective of cost and weight.

Very true. The old saying that "one man's treasure is
another's trash" readily applies. If the same item was the
best for all applications, then there would be little need
for choices...but the world is full of choices because one
size almost never fits all.

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Rob may have said:

Werehatrack said:

If you have a $50 bike, it probably seems ludicrous to
spend $75 on a lock...but even a $50 bike needs a lock in
most places.

In which case, the $75 lock is not clearly superior for the
conditions. If lock price to bike price ratio is the issue,
then the quality of the lock becomes immaterial.

Well, not commetely immaterial, but the price/benefit ratio
may rule out the more expensive units. Of course, there can
be instances in which it makes sense to have a $100 lock for
a $50 bike. If the bike is in use by a NYC messenger as his
backup, for instance, then the price of the bike is less
relevant than the reasonable certainty that it will still be
present when the rider returns for it. I'm told that they
favor massive chains and WMD-resistant padlocks over U-
locks, though.

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Steve Sharman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Hi,

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the
cost of it?

ty

Steveo

see no 3 of FAQ:
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Steve Sharman <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the cost
of it?

ty

Steveo

see no 3 of FAQ:
<http://www.nybma.com/>

I have to say that I totally agree with the thoughts on a
quad chain, seeing as I live in Chicago. The thing that I
have been curious about with my quad chain is this, with
the weight of this thing will it eventually lead my
wheelset gettting out of true? I mean every time I slip
that thing through my rear wheel I think about that. These
things are heavy!

I have seen enough bike carcasses to know that I want my
rear wheel! Front wheels are much cheaper to replace🙂

And they are right about that mini U-lock that comes on it.
toss it! I stopped using mine once I could feel the key was
starting to come apart, but darn that thing lost a lot of
weight with that bit gone!

David Damerell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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robrac said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> may have said:
>Whats the best U-Lock on the market and whats the cost
>of it?
Solely my opinion, based on apparent resistance to
methods commonly applied to defeat it: the Kryptonite
New York 3000, or the similar models that are sold in
Europe.

I always figure that if one product is clearly superior
to all others, then everyone will buy the superior one,
and the others will cease to be in business.

one principle that works against this assertion is: the
point of diminishing returns.

consider a case where the "best" was objectively only 1%
better than the "next best" - but it cost 2% more.

would you still buy the "best"?

probably.

what if the cost were 20% more?

maybe.

200%?

the point [of diminishing returns] is where it;s not worth
it to you.

and it;s different for everyone.

this is why the "best" doesn;t just beat everything else
out.

sometimes it doesn;t even survive.

and of course in most examples, the criteria are subjective
so you really can;t even say what is "best".

or maybe one thing can be measured objectively [weight]
but others can;t be ["this one feels better", "the color
is prettier", "you can;t see the combination numbers in
the dark"]

or one person;s feature is another person;s nightmare.
["power windows - cool!" vs "i hate power windows because
they are unreliable"]

etc etc etc

wle.

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