Shimano MTB -) 10 Speed?

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I sure hope they don't have any plans to send the better
mtb groupsets down the same avenue any time soon.

So do I.

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Surely we've got close enough ratios on 9 speed?

Absolutely, but I think they will do it any how to earn
more. Just look at the dual control. It is totally
uneccesary. I am not saying it is bad but it is not any
better than rapidfire.

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Mark \UK\ says:

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So I've just noticed that Shimano's latest Dura-Ace
offering is a 10 speed setup.

Get a singlespeed, Dood.....

Stephen Baker said:

Mark \UK\ says:

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So I've just noticed that Shimano's latest Dura-Ace
offering is a 10 speed setup.

Get a singlespeed, Dood.....

Who coulda' seen that one coming?

Matt

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Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
accountants on this one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
accountants on this one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

Yep! I like mine 🙂

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Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
accountants on

this

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one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

I thought that the 10 speed cassettes were meant for road
racing bikes and not MTB's. Consider if you will the
differences between the gear changes, they have to be
fractional. If the difference between the gears was too
large you could imagine the problems they'd have putting
extreme force into the peddling and changing gears. The
difference between the first and last gear would be very
small, so it's more of a progressive gearchange, kinda like
when driving on an automatic box, good for acceleration and
all that. So tbh it really wouldn't be a good idea to put 10
speeds on MTB's due to the fact of the differences between
the high and low gears, either you'd have to change the
geometry of the rear mech or squeeze the cassette and narrow
the chain even more and make that more prone to stress or
even widen the rear wheel mounts. I think a lot of thought
must have gone into actually using 9 speeds, 10 speeds would
defo be overkill.

Tetsuo Shima wrote: <snip>

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I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds, 10 speeds would defo be overkill.

Isn't that what they used to say about eight speed
cassettes?

Matt

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Tetsuo Shima wrote: <snip>

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I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds, 10 speeds would defo be overkill.

Isn't that what they used to say about eight speed
cassettes?

Matt

It's hard to implement though, pretty much everything would
need to be changed, it's not worth the cost right now,
especially when the 9speeds have actually become available
to the "everyday MTB'er".

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Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
accountants on this one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

I thought that the 10 speed cassettes were meant for road
racing bikes and not MTB's.

Currently yeah. The point is whether they may have ideas in
the pipeline to commute 10 speed to some MTB groupsets in
the future.

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I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds

only in that 9 is 8+1, as indeed 8 was 7+1...

Don't get me wrong, my best bike is 9 speed and i am very
happy with it, it performs in most situations better than my
7 speed mtb. I just fail to see how taking it one speed
further can benefit mtb'ers.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen then.

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Tetsuo Shima wrote: <snip>

Quoted message said:

I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds, 10 speeds would defo be overkill.

Isn't that what they used to say about eight speed
cassettes?

Matt

It's hard to implement though, pretty much everything
would need to be changed,

so same as the 8 -> 9 increase then?

Mark (UK) said:

Tetsuo Shima said:

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> Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
> accountants on this one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

I thought that the 10 speed cassettes were meant for road
racing bikes and not MTB's.

Currently yeah. The point is whether they may have ideas
in the pipeline to commute 10 speed to some MTB groupsets
in the future.

Quoted message said:

I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds

only in that 9 is 8+1, as indeed 8 was 7+1...

Don't get me wrong, my best bike is 9 speed and i am very
happy with it, it performs in most situations better than
my 7 speed mtb. I just fail to see how taking it one speed
further can benefit mtb'ers.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen then.

If it worked well (big if there) it might be cool to do a
1x10 setup with just one ring in front. I've thought about
doing this with a 1x9 but then just decided to go all the
way and get a 1x1 instead.

Sort of makes me think of Nigel from Spinal Tap explianing
that his amp is "One loudah.". Cassettes that "go to 11"
can't be far off now...

Matt

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Tetsuo Shima wrote: <snip>
> I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
> using 9 speeds, 10 speeds would defo be overkill.

Isn't that what they used to say about eight speed
cassettes?

Matt

It's hard to implement though, pretty much everything
would need to be changed,

so same as the 8 -> 9 increase then?

I would imagine so.

Mark \(UK\) said:

Tetsuo Shima said:

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> Here's hoping that the riders at Shimano over-rule the
> accountants on this one....

MTB trannys are more susceptible to gunk/mud/crud
problems... 10-speed shifting can only scream GHOST
SHIFTING... PERMANENTLY!!!

I wish 8-speed was still the standard...

I was in My LBS last week and they had a Brand new 2004
Norco , that came with an 8 speed.

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Phil, Squid-in-Training

I thought that the 10 speed cassettes were meant for road
racing bikes and not MTB's.

Currently yeah. The point is whether they may have ideas in
the pipeline to commute 10 speed to some MTB groupsets in
the future.

Quoted message said:

I think a lot of thought must have gone into actually
using 9 speeds

only in that 9 is 8+1, as indeed 8 was 7+1...

Don't get me wrong, my best bike is 9 speed and i am very
happy with it, it performs in most situations better than
my 7 speed mtb. I just fail to see how taking it one speed
further can benefit mtb'ers.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen then.