I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180 crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of the frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high enough to be sucked between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain & possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG 53 chain for a SRAM power link and have filed down the back side of the large sprocket to remove the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem might not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.
I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180 crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of the frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high enough to be sucked between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain & possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG 53 chain for a SRAM power link and have filed down the back side of the large sprocket to remove the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem might not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.
Any ideas or similar experiences?
Thanks Cliff
Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been plagued by chainsuck?
"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄IHec.116708$gA5.1490996@attbi_s03...
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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180 crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of
the
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frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high enough to be
sucked
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between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain
&
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possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG 53 chain for a
SRAM
Quoted message said:
power link and have filed down the back side of the large sprocket to
remove
Quoted message said:
the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem
might
Quoted message said:
not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.
Any ideas or similar experiences?
Thanks Cliff
Just a thought. Did you buy this bike online, or did you buy it from a Local bike Shop. Why not have them have a look at it. Any good bike shop should be able to assist you. Of course, if you bought it online, then your at the mercy of the lbs. Seems like a small adjustment, but then again a new model always has some growing pains.
"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄IHec.116708$gA5.1490996@attbi_s03...
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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180 crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of
the
Quoted message said:
frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high enough to be
sucked
Quoted message said:
between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain
&
Quoted message said:
possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG 53 chain for a
SRAM
Quoted message said:
power link and have filed down the back side of the large sprocket to
remove
Quoted message said:
the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem
might
Quoted message said:
not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.
Any ideas or similar experiences?
Thanks Cliff
Just a thought. Did you buy this bike online, or did you buy it from a Local bike Shop. Why not have them have a look at it. Any good bike shop should be able to assist you. Of course, if you bought it online, then your at the mercy of the lbs. Seems like a small adjustment, but then again a new model always has some growing pains.
"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news😄IHec.116708$gA5.1490996@attbi_s03...
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I have a new Gary fisher Cake 3 DLX (LX group - XT 180 crank) - XL. When shifting on the crank sometimes the chain is sucked up and jammed into the swing arm. The problem is that the big sprocket is within a 1/4 inch of
the
Quoted message said:
frame and during shifts some times the chain jumps high enough to be
sucked
Quoted message said:
between the large sprocket and the swing arm. If you compress the rear suspension I can remove the chain. Not good for the frame, sprocket, chain
&
Quoted message said:
possibly my self (ouch). I have swapped out the stock HG 53 chain for a
SRAM
Quoted message said:
power link and have filed down the back side of the large sprocket to
remove
Quoted message said:
the munches from the chain jamming, this has helped some. This problem
might
Quoted message said:
not happen if the derailleur tension spring was stronger.
Any ideas or similar experiences?
Thanks Cliff
I have a Klein Adept (a boutique Fisher Sugar) and although I haven't seen the Cake, other than In pictures, it seems to have the same swingarm / chainstay design as mine. If the drive train is not kept immaculately cleaned and oiled it SUCKS! I filed some of the aluminum swingarm down so I could backpedal the chain out from between it and the ring. Is this area a carbon composite now? You'll get used to it.
-- DTW .../\.../\.../\...
I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing. The rest I've just wasted.
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Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been plagued by chainsuck?
- khill
"Cliff Holloway" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<fNIec.126146$JO3.83130@attbi_s04>...
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Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of course, the first model year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?
But it was helpful. Mr. Hill has a very valid point, you made a mistake by buying that thing in the first place. If you had done a bit of research on Google (even in this NG), you might have found out the cake should have been named the [censored] from someone who took a spin on one of the prototypes. Sell the damn thing to some other fool and buy a good bike. That'll solve your problem.
JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.com20Open ↗ 04_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the cake gets 4.75 out of 5 very good ratings and not one mention of the problem I have. Mr. Hill does have a point, nobody including me likes to buy the first year of production (before the bugs are worked out) - sometimes it just works out that way. As far as a piece of [censored] - I think not -- such brash over generalities are usually based on emotion not logic or experience. If I don't find a answer (I thought I eliminated one of the potential causes up front with a quality XT crank) right away, one will come. I'm a big 6'4" 220 lb Ex Motocrosser (15 yrs & ex test rider) so I've been down this thrashing equipment road before. It was hard to give up the old Cannondale F700 (5 out of 5 on MTBR Reviews) because the frame was so Solid. Frame flex has always been an issue and I hope it is not the case here. If it looks hopeless I still might do something like you suggested.....
Cliff
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Don't buy a bike in its first model year from a manufacturer whose previous FS attempts have been plagued by chainsuck?
- khill
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Well that sure helped ... NOT. An obvious point of course, the first
model
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year and all..... Any truly helpful Ideas?
But it was helpful. Mr. Hill has a very valid point, you made a mistake by buying that thing in the first place. If you had done a bit of research on Google (even in this NG), you might have found out the cake should have been named the [censored] from someone who took a spin on one of the prototypes. Sell the damn thing to some other fool and buy a good bike. That'll solve your problem.
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No [censored]? Is there a bit of manufacture's dollars influence going on here?
No, just a lot of blind brand loyalty. I stopped using it years ago.
Do you think this forum is a better place from which to get advice?!?! 😉
I would have to say yes to that, seriously. I wouldn't say there's any more objectivity, but the interactive nature of the NG vs the forum can give you a better feel for where the reveiwer is coming from and allow you to see engage in more of a discussion rather than read a long list of statements. On MBTR dudes will write, "This gear sucked, it broke after only 5 rides." Here you don't get any more of an impartial look, but you can see a broader spectrum of comment and make better judgements about who's opinion is worthwhile and who's isn't.
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JD, I did my research, go to mtbr.commtbr.comOpen ↗ 2004_full_suspension/product_123075.shtml where the cake gets 4.75 out of 5 very good ratings and not one mention of the problem I have. Mr. Hill does have a point, nobody including me likes to buy the first year of production (before the bugs are worked out) - sometimes it just works out that way. As far as a piece of [censored] - I think not -- such brash over generalities are usually based on emotion not logic or experience. If I don't find a answer (I thought I eliminated one of the potential causes up front with a quality XT crank) right away, one will come. I'm a big 6'4" 220 lb Ex Motocrosser (15 yrs & ex test rider) so I've been down this thrashing equipment road before. It was hard to give up the old Cannondale F700 (5 out of 5 on MTBR Reviews) because the frame was so Solid. Frame flex has always been an issue and I hope it is not the case here. If it looks hopeless I still might do something like you suggested.....
Don't be so sure about my experience with the GF [censored]. I had the misfortune to take one of the prototype craps for a spin and it was laugable. Take a close look at all of the Fruita photos in this year's GF propaganda catalog. He, his entrouage of "yes men" and junky bikes were here. Take it from someone who is 6'-7" 225, it's hopeless.
As far a mtbidiots goes, the Clydesdale forum there might be worth your while for equipment issues, though you still have to wade through a few santa crud blind brand loyalists.
