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    Doe
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  2. markd
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    As explained to you on another list Tom, it is manganese
    levels that are associated with greater stores of iron in
    diabetics. This means iron levels are an effect of manganese
    being stored and not that iron causes diabetes or greater
    mortality. Diabetes is a well known risk factor for
    mortality, so the study shows nothing thatt supports your
    thesis, sorry.

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  3. Doe
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    Subject: Re: Iron Overload Triples Mortality / Medscape
    From: [email hidden]
    Date: 4/3/2004 8:34 AM Mountain Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    As explained to you on another list Tom, it is manganese
    levels that are associated with greater stores of iron in
    diabetics.

    Iron Overload Triples Mortality

    This means iron

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    levels are an effect of manganese being stored and not that
    iron causes diabetes or greater mortality.

    Iron Overload Triples Mortality

    Diabetes is a well known risk factor for

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    mortality, so the study shows nothing thatt supports your
    thesis, sorry.

    Iron Overload Triples Mortality

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    Iron Overload Triples Mortality

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    Who loves ya. Tom

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  4. Guy
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    (doe) said:

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    Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore DEAD
    PEOPLE WALKING
    pages.ivillage.comdeadpeoplewalking

    According toi the header I should live foerever. I am


    deficient in iron now. Doe, it is OK if you pursue your iron
    ideas. But there is more than iron involved in health. Put
    some effort into other areas and a few of might listen.

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  5. Doe
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    Subject: Re: Iron Overload Triples Mortality / Medscape
    From: Guy [email hidden]
    Date: 4/3/2004 2:23 PM Mountain Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    On 03 Apr 2004 11:09:47 GMT, [email hidden]

    (doe) said:

    medscape.com472583

    Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore DEAD
    PEOPLE WALKING
    pages.ivillage.comdeadpeoplewalking

    According toi the header I should live foerever. I am


    deficient in iron now.

    So you are either starving , bleeding internally or have
    malabsorption .. eh ..

    Compounded by diabetes ..

    Right ..

    I might tend to believe some of the iron researchers
    who state .. "any doctor who prescribes iron should be
    sued .." ..

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    Doe, it is OK if you pursue your iron ideas. But there is
    more than iron involved in health.

    Which .. avenues .. do YOU .. advise .. there .. Guy ..

    Put some

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    effort into other areas and a few of might listen.

    What .. areas / avenues .. ?

    Maybe avenues .. less .. successful .. than .. the one I am
    following now .. ?

    Since I am now having more success in the medical field than
    anyone in history .. I suppose the answer to your query
    might be ..

    "no .. guy .. that would be stupid .. "

    Who loves ya. Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!
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  6. Guy
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    (doe) said:
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    Subject: Re: Iron Overload Triples Mortality / Medscape
    From: Guy [email hidden] Date: 4/3/2004 2:23 PM
    Mountain Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    On 03 Apr 2004 11:09:47 GMT, [email hidden]

    (doe) said:

    medscape.com472583

    Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore
    DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
    pages.ivillage.comdeadpeoplewalking

    According toi the header I should live foerever. I am


    deficient in iron now.

    So you are either starving , bleeding internally or have
    malabsorption .. eh ..

    Compounded by diabetes ..

    Right ..

    I might tend to believe some of the iron researchers
    who state .. "any doctor who prescribes iron should be
    sued .." ..

    Quoted message said:

    Doe, it is OK if you pursue your iron ideas. But there is
    more than iron involved in health.

    Which .. avenues .. do YOU .. advise .. there .. Guy ..

    Put some

    Quoted message said:

    effort into other areas and a few of might listen.

    What .. areas / avenues .. ?

    Maybe avenues .. less .. successful .. than .. the one I am
    following now .. ?

    Since I am now having more success in the medical field
    than anyone in history .. I suppose the answer to your
    query might be ..

    "no .. guy .. that would be stupid .. "

    Who loves ya. Tom

    Jesus Was A Vegetarian! jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
    Man Is A Herbivore!
    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore DEAD
    PEOPLE WALKING
    pages.ivillage.comdeadpeoplewalking


    Tom, I am scheduled to see the doc Tuesday. Do I tell him
    you say we are stupid. I am sure you know about Epgon. It
    costs so much I would like to drop it. There is some
    story about kidney damage reducing the red cell count. Do
    you have any answers. Anemia leaves you like a limp rag.
    Any ideas Guy

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  7. Nico Kadel-Garc
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    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

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    "Iron overload" in this case is a grotesque level of iron:
    you may as well weld it into a club and use it to beat the
    people to death.

    For newbies, "doe" is an anti-meat whackjob confusing the
    ills of hemochromatosis, which is a very specific and
    easily detected medical condition which accumulates
    *incredible* amounts of iron in the body, with meat eating
    in general. Yes, hemochromatosis is very bad for you. So is
    hitting someone with a baseball bat, but this doesn't we
    shouldn't use a nice soft paper Kleenex to wipe our noses
    with, which about matches the level of intensity of the
    iron of hemochromatosis compared to normal iron levels from
    eating meat.

    Doe also somehow seems to ignore the existence of diabetes
    among women who are chronically anemic, and like his
    beloved ghoddess of toe jam worship Betty Martini, utterly
    ignores reality.

    And Doe? No, Jesus *wasn't* a vegetarian. The last supper
    included lamb, because it was Passover, and you better
    *believe* he had some as a nice Jewish boy and the head of
    the group there.

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  8. Doe
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    Subject: Re: Iron Overload Triples Mortality / Medscape

    medscape.com472583

    Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!
    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore DEAD
    PEOPLE WALKING
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  9. Bl 1204
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    Ya know Tom, for those with an iron storage problem you are
    right!! That is a small subset of people with diabetes.

    However, I think it is a good idea for those with diabetes
    to get all the normal testing for hemochromatosis.

    Here is some practical information--

    digestive.niddk.nih.govhemochromatos
    is/index.htm#di agnosis

    ALWAYS a good idea to get copies of your blood tests and do
    your own interpretation, rather than just have doc say you
    don't have a problem. Why? The normal reference ranges are
    very wide!!

    So Tom is raising awareness. Does that mean that Jesus was a
    vegetarian or that we all should be vegetarians? NO
    NO!!!!!!!!!

    Remember that even a stopped clock gets it right twice a
    day.

    BL

    "As the waves pass the rock, their shape is changed. There
    is a hologram of the rock within the wave that comes forward
    and crashes on the beach, then there's a reflected wave
    back." Ralph Abraham

    "I'd like to learn to windsurf." BL

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  10. Beav
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    "doe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Iron Overload Triples Mortality / Medscape
    From: Guy [email hidden] Date: 4/3/2004 2:23 PM
    Mountain Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    On 03 Apr 2004 11:09:47 GMT, [email hidden]

    (doe) said:

    medscape.com472583

    Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
    jesuswasavegetarian.7h.comjesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore!


    pages.ivillage.commanisaherbivore

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    According toi the header I should live foerever. I am


    deficient in iron now.

    So you are either starving , bleeding internally or have
    malabsorption ..


    eh ..

    Quoted message said:


    Compounded by diabetes ..

    Right ..

    I might tend to believe some of the iron researchers who
    state .. "any


    doctor

    Quoted message said:

    who prescribes iron should be sued .." ..

    Quoted message said:

    Doe, it is OK if you pursue your iron ideas. But there is
    more than iron involved in health.

    Which .. avenues .. do YOU .. advise .. there .. Guy ..

    Put some

    Quoted message said:

    effort into other areas and a few of might listen.

    What .. areas / avenues .. ?

    A dead end street would be good.

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