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  1. I see from the news that Pres. Bush is going to announce
    plans for NASA to return to the Moon, and go on to Mars,
    sometime in the next 10-15 years. Great news! Obviously, it
    won't be long before someone takes a unicycle to the Moon.

    Anybody want to speculate on what a "lunicycle" might look
    like? Just think about it..... the drops you could land at
    one-sixth of a gravity, the jumps you could clear, the lower
    likelihood of painful falls.

    You could imagine two kinds of riding: an "indoor" sort of
    trials riding inside some large pressurized space where you
    could ride in street clothes, or "outdoor" Muni (Mooni??)
    where you'd have to ride on the lunar terrain with a
    spacesuit on. What kind of uni would you design for low-
    gravity trials or Muni? What sort of tire would work well in
    the lunar soil (will we see 6-inch Gazzas?!)? What sort of
    speed could you reach on a Coker on the Moon? How light a
    frame and wheel set could you make? I'd guess a lunicycle
    would look ridiculously light and fragile by terrestrial
    standards.

    Any thoughts?

    "...to boldly unicycle where no one has unicycled
    before........"

    Doug

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  2. Mooni

    I think with the 'no' gravity, people would find more fun in
    doing things not involved with riding on the ground, where
    we have to make use of our situation, so would they.

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  3. Quoted message said:

    a "lunicycle"

    hee hee thats funny

    My lunicycle design:

    velcro seat and you have to wear velcro troushers to stick
    to it (coz of the gravity on the moon)

    Huge inflatable tyre so you can bounce loads

    pedal with attached mini wings (so when you boucne on your
    tyre really high you can flap about a bit)

    special settings so when you ride in a crater your 'luni'
    coonverts into a giraffe so you can seen over the top of
    the crater

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  4. The Luni would have to be capable of being ridden in a space
    suit, and capable of riding in deep, ultra-fine powder.

    We sent a lander to take pictures of Mars. I say it would be
    infinitely more extraordinary (and cheaper) to just send
    Kris Holm with a muni and a Nikon. Watch for his new video-
    Into the Thunder... um... Planet

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  5. sockmonster said:

    *I say it would be infinitely more extraordinary (and
    cheaper) to just send Kris Holm with a muni and a Nikon.*

    Or we could just have m_extreme_uni hop there

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    Sofa - You Tu Tu Tuni?

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    'London Unicycling Club Website ' (brianmackenzie.comLUC)
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    enough to stop me in my track. ' - MikeFule

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  6. My sister is going to be the first person on Mars. I'll ask
    her if I can come, and bring my uni.

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    James_Potter - OFFICIAL POSTER #1078

    -The last time people listened to a Bush, they wandered the desert for
    forty years.-
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  7. Some one please post a link to the website for the lunar
    landing and mars announcment

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  8. Here's a link to a news wire story about Bush's announcement, expected
    Wednesday the 14th:

    tinyurl.com373ah

    There are a few other stories at

    spaceflightnow.comspaceflightnow.com

    But nowhere is there any mention of lunicycle R&D ....

    Doug

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  9. I'm not sure it would be safer.

    Yes, the gravity is lower (from memory, about 1/6 Earth
    gravity) but if you bunny hopped UP and came straight back
    down, you would put the same amount of energy in, and
    therefore you'd get the same amount of energy out. In fact
    the landing would be heavier, because you'd lose nothing to
    aerodynamic drag.

    The gravity would accelerate your fall more slowly, but over
    a longer period.

    It would be safer doing simple drops, though, comparing
    drops of equal height.

    Of course, the equipment would be expensive an heavy. Air
    bottles, or perhaps a rebreather, would be heavy and bulky.

    Pumping your tyre up would take less time, as you wouldn't
    have to compensate for the ambient pressure, which is 1 Bar
    on earth, and 0 Bar on Luna.

    Of course, some of the older posters on here will refer to
    our largest satellite as Selene, rather than Luna.

    Roger, do you have any Cavorite-coated Nimbus frames in
    stock?

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  10. I don't know how realistic Bush's plans are for us paying
    for new manned space missions (they would cost a lot more
    than what we did in the 60's), but I think it would be a
    great goal for us to have. There is nothing like pushing the
    limits of human achievement to give us a sense of wonder and
    possibility.

    Obviously you need to have gravity for a unicycle to be fun.
    To ride on in orbit, for example, you'd have to build up
    some centrifugal force or something. Give me the moon for
    that. Indoors on the moon, you wouldn't have to worry about
    all the environmental gear you'd need to carry outside. So
    how about an indoor Trials course? You could still land
    bigger drops than in Earth gravity, because you'd have more
    time to absorb your inertia as you came down (I think). You
    should be able to invent lots of new tricks right off the
    bat, but only after relearning to ride the thing in the
    first place.

    If I had enough indoor space on the moon, however, I'd get
    into human-powered flight. I read an interesting science
    fiction story once, where people were living inside the
    moon, in large underground spaces. This would provide the
    headroom. Supposedly you'd be light enough to fly under you
    own power. That might make the unicycle seem a bit quaint by
    comparison...

    --
    johnfoss - IUF Director

    John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
    "jfoss" at "unicycling.com"
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  11. On the moon, you'd initially have 6 times the strength, but
    your muscle mass would dwindle quickly. You might not be so
    great after a while.

    Astronauts exercise religiously, and still lose lots
    of muscle.

    ...once you came home, you'd be jello.

    --
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  12. johnfoss said:

    *There is nothing like pushing the limits of human
    achievement to give us a sense of wonder and
    possibility. *

    Possible limits of human achievement, which would give me,
    for one, a sense of wonder and possibility:

    Ensuring that all 6 000 000 people on the planet are fed and
    have access to fresh water.

    Ensuring that all 6 000 000 people on the planet have the
    opportunity to learn to read and write.

    Eradicating major diseases like AIDS which are ravaging
    whole countries in Africa.

    Introducing free and democratic elections to every country
    in the world. I write as a subject of an hereditary
    monarchy, knowing that many of my readers live in a country
    where the current President received the fewest votes in a
    two horse race...

    Oh, and getting 3 or possibly 4 people to walk on Mars at
    a cost roughly equivalent to that of achieving either of
    the first two on the above list, and possibly the third
    and fourth.

    But let's not get too serious. This is a unicycle forum,
    after all.🙂

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  13. err, good point, but its 6 000 000 000. Fairly sure, being
    that I thought the UK alone was 55 000 000.

    John, trying to stop being so pedantic.

    (and failing)

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  14. johnfoss said:

    *I don't know how realistic Bush's plans are for us paying
    for new manned space missions (they would cost a lot more
    than what we did in the 60's), but I think it would be a
    great goal for us to have. There is nothing like pushing
    the limits of human achievement to give us a sense of
    wonder and possibility.

    Obviously you need to have gravity for a unicycle to be
    fun. To ride on in orbit, for example, you'd have to build
    up some centrifugal force or something. Give me the moon
    for that. Indoors on the moon, you wouldn't have to worry
    about all the environmental gear you'd need to carry
    outside. So how about an indoor Trials course? You could
    still land bigger drops than in Earth gravity, because
    you'd have more time to absorb your inertia as you came
    down (I think). You should be able to invent lots of new
    tricks right off the bat, but only after relearning to
    ride the thing in the first place.

    If I had enough indoor space on the moon, however, I'd get
    into human-powered flight. I read an interesting science
    fiction story once, where people were living inside the
    moon, in large underground spaces. This would provide the
    headroom. Supposedly you'd be light enough to fly under
    you own power. That might make the unicycle seem a bit
    quaint by comparison... *

    Actually, if you hollowed out the moon evenly, the
    gravity on the inside would cancell and you'd be
    waitlessa, so yes, you could fly under your own power,
    but it'd kinda be cheating.

    Also, Bush's plan for the moon is a load of bullsh**. If
    congress gives NASA the $800 million per year, it'll come
    out of their science budget, and basically not be any budget
    increase. Not to mention that the moon's only habitable near
    the poles where there *might* be water, and where the
    sunlight is weak enough to keep the temperatures to a
    reasonable range. Near the equator the moon's surface can
    reach temperatures of up to 400 degrees farenheight, and a
    lack of an strong magnetosphere makes it so you're exposed
    to extra rediation and things like that. Also, by the time
    we're established enough on the moon to go for unicycle
    trials and the like people like Ryan Atkins and me will have
    been dead for about 30 years. I think Bush has no idea what
    he's saying, and our chance of getting an established
    moonbase is way too close to nil. And as for Mars, to quote
    sky and telescope "Going to Mars actually -is- rocket
    science." Really, humanity has much more pressing concerns
    than unicycling on the moon or Mars, and those won't happen
    for at least another century and a half.

    Bevan

    P.S. If we could technologically get people to Mars, there'd
    be the problem of keeping them alive for the trip.
    During the 6month+ trip, the astronauts would be
    exposed to over 10 times the amount of radiation a
    nuclear plant worker is exposed to per year. Also,
    whenever there's a solar flare, the astronauts would
    have to rush into a protected space in order to keep
    from being seriously burned with radiation. Not to
    mention, what do you do when you get there? What if you
    break your arm? "Um Houston, I just snapped my humerus
    and need to be medivaced back to Earth" "Sorry, you're
    6 months journey from home, without enough fuel for a
    return trip manufactured yet, in 1/2 of Earth gravity.
    Looks like you're dead. Sorry 'bout that." Not to say
    that it wouldn't be fun to ride down the rim of a giant
    crater, but we can do that in Arizona anyway.

    Also, someone post a counterpoint to this, and correct me if
    I'm wrong about anything.

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  15. I agree with Mike except for the bit about forcing democracy on all
    countries. Democracy may be a good concept but it is not perfect because
    it ends up with candidates putting each other down to make themselves
    look better, and they argue more than they agree, even though their
    goals are often the same. Party politics are a screwed up way of doing
    things in my opinion.

    gerblefranklin said:

    *Bush's plan for the moon is a load of bullsh**.*


    [image: addis-addis-
    welt.de/smilie/smilie/schild/1044284036.png] I don't even
    believe anyone has made it to the moon yet, and I don't
    think anyone will make it anytime soon. I watched this
    program about the conspiracy theory about how Nasa did one
    of the biggest scams in history, trying to trick the whole
    world into thinking they had been to the moon. The proof
    against it was so conclusive, and Nasa's reaction was so
    pathetic that I believed the program. The crosshairs painted
    on the camera lens were partially covered by images of
    spacemen and landers in the photos. The flag they planted
    appeared to be blowing in a breeze. Two landscapes,
    supposedly on places far apart on the moon, had identical
    backgrounds, and could have been shot in the desert
    somewhere in Arizona or something. They had heaps more proof
    too and Nasa had no feasable arguement to dispute it. > *I
    think Bush has no idea what he's saying* I totally agree
    with that, most of the time he says whatever he thinks his
    voters want to hear. I'm glad Bush isn't my president, and I
    feel sorry for those who have him as a leader, and even more
    sorry for those who support him. I think war and moon/mars
    missions are a waste of the worlds resources, and like
    Mikefule said, there are heaps more important uses the money
    could be put to.

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  16. Quoted message said:

    ....once you came home, you'd be jello

    The tasty red kind or the yucky green kind with pineapple in
    it. Man i havent had blue jello in like... a month.

    --
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  17. Quoted message said:

    I don't even believe anyone has made it to the moon yet,
    and I don't think anyone will make it anytime soon. I
    watched this program about the conspiracy theory about
    how Nasa did one of the biggest scams in history, trying
    to trick the whole world into thinking they had been to
    the moon.

    May I suggest a pertinent website for you to peruse at your
    leisure? badastronomy.comfoxapollo.html

    Or read something from NASA on the subject...
    science.nasa.govast23feb 2.htm

    I wouldn't trust a Fox TV special on *any* subject. This is
    a station that airs shows like "Deadliest Police Chases" and
    "Girls Gone Wild." I must point out that most privately
    owned TV networks are in the business for the purpose of
    making money. A special on a controversial issue sells ads.

    I do agree, however, that much of the Space program is a
    waste of money. The world has more important issues to
    deal with.

    I'm not sure what a "lunar" unicycle would look like. It
    would need a wide tire for traction. I don't think it would
    be able to be built lighter, as a person on the moon still
    has the same momentum as he does on Earth. A person's weight
    is different on the moon, not his mass.

    Caleb

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  18. Mikefule said:

    *

    Possible limits of human achievement, which would give me,
    for one, a sense of wonder and possibility:

    Ensuring that all 6 000 000 people on the planet are fed
    and have access to fresh water.

    Ensuring that all 6 000 000 people on the planet have the
    opportunity to learn to read and write.

    Eradicating major diseases like AIDS which are ravaging
    whole countries in Africa.

    Introducing free and democratic elections to every country
    in the world. I write as a subject of an hereditary
    monarchy, knowing that many of my readers live in a
    country where the current President received the fewest
    votes in a two horse race...

    Oh, and getting 3 or possibly 4 people to walk on Mars at
    a cost roughly equivalent to that of achieving either of
    the first two on the above list, and possibly the third
    and fourth.

    But let's not get too serious. This is a unicycle forum,
    after all.🙂 *

    Mikefule has some great ideas, shared by a great many I'm
    sure. But before everybody blames NASA for all the world's
    problems, may I just point out that in 1996, people in the
    US spent over $22.7 billion on their PETS (see
    buscom.comGA034X.htm), and that figure was
    expected to reach $28.5 billion by 2001. I believe a similar
    figure is spent annually on hair care! Now before all you
    pet owners (or people with hair) get mad, all I'm saying is
    that there are many places to look for money that might be
    better spent elsewhere - like making sure all those 6
    thousand million people have decent unicycles, too....

    Doug😉

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  19. Rowan said:

    *I don't even believe anyone has made it to the moon yet,
    and I don't think anyone will make it anytime soon. *

    thanx for bringing this up i was itching to but i guess a
    lifetime of being called a loon for questioning the moon-
    landings made hesitant chilliwack's post links to a bunch of
    sites, pro and anti, take the time to work thru them and
    make up your own mind (and get a bunch of material for
    scintilating dinner conversation)

    ps. if they DID land on the moon, i'm sure they landed on
    the grassy knoll, that's why u can't see any dust

    😉

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  20. Rowan and Gild, you sure like to stir things up! Get
    yourselves a damn telescope. Better yet, build one of your
    own, so you won't have to worry about conspriacies by the
    telescope companies. Then do some research about where the
    moon landings claim to have been.

    Then see for yourselves. We did not clean up after
    ourselves up there. Tire tracks, flags, footprints (might
    be a bit hard to make out), The bottom half of each LEM,
    and the Mariners and other probes that have landed (or
    crashed) there.

    Then return to newsgroup and tell us what you saw. There's
    plenty of other stuff going on in the world to not
    believe... 🙄

    My dad worked for NASA from 1962-67. He did not go to the
    moon, but he worked on real science that really exists. If
    we can put things in orbit (buy a cheap telescope), there's
    no reason we can't go farther.

    --
    johnfoss - IUF Director

    John Foss, the Uni-Cyclone
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