Freewheel problem?

"John Hearns" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My new reoad bike, the Claud Butler, has a problem. On
ascents and under stress, the chain slips.
(ie. the pedals run round for say 1/2 turn then catch
again). Seems like a problem freewheel to me.

Anyone know if this is a major job (read expensive) for a
bikeshop to fix? If I got a cassette remover, is it
something I might tweak in the mechanism, or is a
replacement on the cards? Have consulted Sheldon Brown,
and won't be upgrading to Nanodrive just yet.

Components are Simano Sora.

Check the rear mech indexing, if OK sounds like time for a
new chain and cassette to me.

KC

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:41:05 +0100, John Hearns <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My new reoad bike, the Claud Butler, has a problem. On
ascents and under stress, the chain slips.

New bike or new to you?

If it's a new bike, just take it back.
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John Hearns said:

My new reoad bike, the Claud Butler, has a problem.

How new? This sounds like a job for the LBS under
warranty to me.

Quoted message said:

On ascents and under stress, the chain slips.
(ie. the pedals run round for say 1/2 turn then catch
again). Seems like a problem freewheel to me.

Prolly indexing. Unlikely to have shagged a chain and / or
cassette on a new bike, unless you've been giving it a
serious hammering.

Quoted message said:

Anyone know if this is a major job (read expensive) for a
bikeshop to fix?

On a new bike it's free ;-)

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you know? said:

John Hearns said:

My new reoad bike, the Claud Butler, has a problem.

How new? This sounds like a job for the LBS under
warranty to me.

True, but this bike was delivered by courier. I shan't name
the shop - as I haven't even contacted them yet. I guess I
could post th wheel off to them if needed. Anyone actually
posted a rear wheel?

BTW, and this may be a stupid question, why would the
indexing make the chain or freewheel seem like it is
slipping?

John Hearns said:

Reading further on Sheldon Brown's pages.

The hub is marked FH-RM40 On the Shimano website, the
exploded diagram has the frewheel body as part no. Y-3SL
98030. Clear as mud. Anyone know which one this would be
on (say) Wiggle?

Sounds like the chain jumping on the sprockets rather that
the freehub ratchect gone. Does the problem occur in all
combinations of gears or just one specific pairing. A new
cassette and chain would obviously eliminate these
components but if it is simply the rear mech not adjusted
properly you will not need these just yet. Replacing the
chain well before it really needs it means you don't have to
replace the cassette as often, which is important if you use
old kit like I do.

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:16:25 +0100, John Hearns <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

BTW, and this may be a stupid question, why would the
indexing make the chain or freewheel seem like it is
slipping?

Because the chain wouldn't sit properly on the sprocket. It
would try and ride up or down and in trying to move between
sprockets it'll slip because it's not engaged on the teeth.

FWIW I don't think I've ever had a freehub slip in 15 years
and that's with putting them through some seriously high
muddy miles.
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MSeries said:

Sounds like the chain jumping on the sprockets rather that
the freehub ratchect gone. Does the problem occur in all
combinations of gears or just one specific pairing.

That's exactly what is does feel like. Not sure about the
gear combinations - but being the unfot bod I am I'm still
using low range gears on it, to help with spinning.

John Hearns said:

Quoted message said:

How new? This sounds like a job for the LBS under
warranty to me.

Quoted message said:

True, but this bike was delivered by courier. I shan't
name the shop - as I haven't even contacted them yet. I
guess I could post th wheel off to them if needed. Anyone
actually posted a rear wheel?

Call the shop and talk to them. And next time remember
that the extra few quid from the LBS can sometimes be
negotiated away ;-)

Quoted message said:

BTW, and this may be a stupid question, why would the
indexing make the chain or freewheel seem like it is
slipping?

Chain rides up onto the teeth and then slips back is the
usual reason, I think.

Have you got a workstand? Sometimes getting the biek up on
the stand and watching it from behind while an assistant
turns the pedals will reveal the source of the problem.

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Call the shop and talk to them. And next time remember
that the extra few quid from the LBS can sometimes be
negotiated away ;-)

It was an insurance replacement - and I'm all for the LBS.

Quoted message said:

Have you got a workstand?

I do indeed - I have a natty gadget called an X-20 Bike
Stand. Says on it 'Made in England by Pery' Its an upright
tube about three feet high, on two detachable feet. The
chainstay and seatstay are put in hooks on the upright,
raising the rear wheel off the ground. I use it as a storage
stand also.

I got this in a strange shop in Oxford Street, London yonks
ago. It sold off all sorts of en-of-lien sports gear. I got
my Zamberlan hiking boots there too, dead cheap. Still fit
like a dream.

John Hearns said:

MSeries said:

Sounds like the chain jumping on the sprockets rather
that the freehub ratchect gone. Does the problem occur in
all combinations of gears or just one specific pairing.

That's exactly what is does feel like. Not sure about the
gear combinations - but being the unfot bod I am I'm still
using low range gears on it, to help with spinning.

My bet would be a imperfectly adjusted derailleur which is
starting to change to the next gear (up or down) under load.
Try to determine if it jumps up (my bet) or down, then use
the cable adjuster at the back to move the derailleur the
opposite way (i.e. if if jumps up make the derailleur move
down by a tiny amount. Repeat a few times until the problem
goes away. Check that the hanger (where the derailleur is
attached to the frame) is not bent, it should be true
vertical, adjusting the mech peropely will be much harder if
this is bent.

Me again. Sorry if I'm getting boring.

Quick tweaking session of the rear gear cable over
lunchtime, though I haven't ridden the bike yet.

I notice that the smallest cog is firmly fixed, yet the
larger 7 seem to float up and down the splines of the
freehub. Is this correct? Doesn't seem so to me, but I admit
that it may be some feature in the latest Shimano kit?

Quoted message said:

I notice that the smallest cog is firmly fixed, yet
the larger 7 seem to float up and down the splines of
the freehub. Is this correct? Doesn't seem so to me,
but I admit that it may be some feature in the latest
Shimano kit?

This is absolutely not meant to happen. Take the bike into a
shop ASAP and get it fixed.

Simon

John Hearns said:

I notice that the smallest cog is firmly fixed, yet
the larger 7 seem to float up and down the splines of
the freehub. Is this correct? Doesn't seem so to me,
but I admit that it may be some feature in the latest
Shimano kit?

Wot Simon said: that is not how it should be. Hie you
to your friendly neighbourhood bikemonger and have
repairs effected.

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Wot Simon said: that is not how it should be. Hie you to
your friendly neighbourhood bikemonger and have repairs
effected.

Wilco. Will visit Whitcomb in Deptford (*), Harry Perry or
maybe Evans. There might be a spacer missing between the
first two cogs.

(*) Whitcomb did a smashing job on welding my Orange (water
bottle boss had been damaged and ripped out), plus replacing
entire drivechain. then it got nicked. Sniff...

Quoted message said:

There might be a spacer missing between the first
two cogs.

Just out of interest, where did you buy the bike?

Simon

Simonb said:

Quoted message said:

There might be a spacer missing between the first
two cogs.

Just out of interest, where did you buy the bike?

As I said, its not fair to name the shop as they haven't had
a chance to fix it.

In article <[email hidden]>,

BenS said:

If it's a new bike, just take it back.

Sounds like the best advice - however - in case it is
something simple like a stiff like turn the pedals backwards
and watch the chain on the cassette (smallest cog) if it is
a stiff link you will see it easily.

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deserve a plug for fitting a new spacer to my cassette this
evening for a very modest price.

Punctured on the way home, but the karma was made up to me
as I stopped in an East End park and loads of local kids
came up to look at the thin tyres on my 'racing bike'. They
were jumping over a bit of plywood they had found,
accompanied by a young lady on a scooter and a disabled
young lad on a trike. Magic. I think he was chuffed when I
siad I liked his bike.

Tooo mainy spilling mestaykes you lot. Don'te you evere check youre
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:24:10 +0100, Just zis Guy, you

know? said:

Call the shop and talk to them. And next time remember
that the extra

few

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

quid from the LBS can sometimes be negotiated away ;-)

It was an insurance replacement - and I'm all for the LBS.

Quoted message said:

Have you got a workstand?

I do indeed - I have a natty gadget called an X-20 Bike
Stand. Says on it 'Made in England by Pery' Its an upright
tube about three feet high, on two detachable feet. The
chainstay and seatstay are put in hooks on the upright,
raising the rear wheel off the ground. I use it as a
storage stand also.

I got this in a strange shop in Oxford Street, London
yonks ago. It sold off all sorts of en-of-lien sports
gear. I got my Zamberlan hiking boots there too, dead
cheap. Still fit like a dream.