MTB Impact Report

Pippen said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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But...but...Mike's gone out and taken unclear pictures with
his Brownie! These so-called scientific studies don't begin
to compare.

Bill "if horses and ORV's are allowed, bikes should be
cheered" S.

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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Naaa

<Mikey1> "By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling
Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2> See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys
finally admit it. Just because other types of human travel
in wilderness areas cause damage is no reason not to ban
bikes! </Mikey2>

Pete which will it be, Mikey?

Pippen said:

This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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He's had no trouble ignoring the studies themselves, he'll
have no problem ignoring the summary.

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address, at least)

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It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file the
[censored]. All the frickin post that respond to him just feeds
him. We all know he's a loose cannon.

Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted by
somebody affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state that
they cannot possibly be objecting and clearly lied in
conducting their research. After all, all mountain bikers,
including international ones are known liars right?

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-p

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-p

It's biased anyway. I wish you guys would just kill file
the [censored]. All the frickin post that respond to him just
feeds him. We all know he's a loose cannon.

Pah - loose [censored] pea shooter, more like.

Shaun aRe

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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Naaa

<Mikey1> "By Gary Sprung, International Mountain Bicycling
Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2> See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys
finally admit it. Just because other types of human travel
in wilderness areas cause damage is no reason not to ban
bikes! </Mikey2>

Pete which will it be, Mikey?

How decidedly accurate.

Shaun aRe - Don't waste your time, folks.

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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-p

Good to see we are supporting the Grizzly Bear
population...<g>

(Note to self: Install baseball cards in spokes in
bear country.)

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This should get Mikey's panties in a wad...

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They need to add to that, a cyclist can carry enough tools
on a BOB Yak for a 5 man trail repair crew, hikers just step
over the washouts. 🙂
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Michael Paul said:

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Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted
by somebody affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state
that they cannot possibly be objecting and clearly lied in
conducting their research. After all, all mountain bikers,
including international ones are known liars right?

Funny thing is, the author of that article is a pretty well-
known guy around these parts. He's headed up a very active
and vocal anti-development, anti-ski area group called HCCA
(High Country Citizen's Alliance). They're generally
regarded as fringe kooks by "regular" (people who work for a
living instead of having trust funds) folks. I guess it's
all a matter of perspective.

Matt (got lots of anecdotal evidence that horses and
motorcycles are way worse than bikes - duh!)

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Naaa

<Mikey1> "By Gary Sprung, International Mountain
Bicycling Association"

Of COURSE this 'study' is flawed. Look who wrote it!
</Mikey>

or

<Mikey2> See. Mountain bikers DO cause damage. You guys
finally admit it. Just because other types of human
travel in wilderness areas cause damage is

no

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reason not to ban bikes! </Mikey2>

Pete which will it be, Mikey?

How decidedly accurate.

Well...it was jut too easy. And I had one concept wrong.
Should have used 'and' instead of 'or'.

"]news:[email hidden] 1 APR 2004
11:54 (12 hours after mine) "...As far as I know, every one
of these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a
mountain biker. Besides, they are irrelevant, because the
harm done by mountain biking is not related to the harm done
by other activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same,
regardless of what hikers or anyone else is doing!"

Pete

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:33:07 GMT, "Pippen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

.This should get Mikey's panties in a wad... .
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Don't make me laugh. Anyone who bothers to read these
"studies" will find that they actually prove the OPPOSITE of
what they CLAIM to prove! They actually examine only damage
PER MILE. Since mountain bikers typically travel several
times as far as hikers (try HIKING 25-50 miles in a day!),
it follows FROM THEIR OWN RESEARCH that mountain bikers have
several times the impact of hikers. They also don't test
mountain biking under normal conditions: they simply roll
passively down a gently sloping hill -- no acceleration, no
turns, no braking, all of which would apply shear
(horizontal) forces to the ground. In addition, almost all
studies ignore impacts on wildlife. As far as I know, every
one of these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a
mountain biker. Besides, they are irrelevant, because the
harm done by mountain biking is not related to the harm done
by other activities, such as hiking. The damage is the same,
regardless of what hikers or anyone else is doing!

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to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the
previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:57:01 GMT, "Michael Paul" <[email hidden]>
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.Well, since the study was sponsored by IMBA and conducted
by somebody .affiliated with IMBA, Mikey will clearly state
that they cannot possibly be .objecting and clearly lied in
conducting their research. After all, all .mountain bikers,
including international ones are known liars right?

That all goes without saying.

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Don't make me laugh. Anyone who bothers to read these
"studies" will find

that

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they actually prove the OPPOSITE of what they CLAIM to
prove! They

actually

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examine only damage PER MILE. Since mountain bikers
typically travel

several

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times as far as hikers (try HIKING 25-50 miles in a day!),
it follows FROM

THEIR

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OWN RESEARCH that mountain bikers have several times the
impact of hikers.

They

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also don't test mountain biking under normal conditions:
they simply roll passively down a gently sloping hill --
no acceleration, no turns, no

braking,

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all of which would apply shear (horizontal) forces to the
ground. In

addition,

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almost all studies ignore impacts on wildlife. As far as I
know, every one

of

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these "studies" was done by (surprize, surprize) a
mountain biker.

Besides, they

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are irrelevant, because the harm done by mountain biking
is not related to

the

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harm done by other activities, such as hiking. The
damage is the same, regardless of what hikers or anyone
else is doing!

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-
limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent
the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.)

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Mission accomplished...

-p