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  1. Ok, this question is directed to people who can provide evidence for their claims - moderators, people who can link to studies, and people with a proper justification for what they say - I don't want 'I take 250mg with my protein shake and I go great every race' or similar...

    And the question is...

    It is legal to take caffeine up to a certain dosage, and it would appear to have some benefits. I know for a fact a number of professional triathletes and road cyclists use pure caffeine tablets before competition. My questions are:

    1. Are their attendant health risks associated with caffeine use, and if so what?

    2. What is the best way to calculate dosage, time to take, etc, if you are using caffeine with a view to improving race performance?

    3. What is the evidence for and against?

    4. What is the effect of different event lengths and intensities on the utility of caffeine.

    5. Is it possible to purchase 'clean' caffeine tablets - in Australia we had a problem with contamination with other drugs in the most popular brand, is their 'pharmaceutical grade' caffeine available over the counter?

  2. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by Roadie_scum
    Ok, this question is directed to people who can provide evidence for their claims - moderators, people who can link to studies, and people with a proper justification for what they say - I don't want 'I take 250mg with my protein shake and I go great every race' or similar...

    And the question is...

    It is legal to take caffeine up to a certain dosage, and it would appear to have some benefits. I know for a fact a number of professional triathletes and road cyclists use pure caffeine tablets before competition. My questions are:

    1. Are their attendant health risks associated with caffeine use, and if so what?

    2. What is the best way to calculate dosage, time to take, etc, if you are using caffeine with a view to improving race performance?

    3. What is the evidence for and against?

    4. What is the effect of different event lengths and intensities on the utility of caffeine.

    5. Is it possible to purchase 'clean' caffeine tablets - in Australia we had a problem with contamination with other drugs in the most popular brand, is their 'pharmaceutical grade' caffeine available over the counter?

    WADA have lifted the ban on caffeine effective 1 January 2004. It should mean the UCI will follow suit so you can imbibe/chew as much as you like (health restraints permitting).

    http://www.wasa.asn.au/articles/article.asp?TopicID=6&ArticleID=1559

    In relation to your pursuit of evidence to substantiate benefits of caffeine, I would sugggest you do a Pub Med search for the controlled research conclusions.

    Here is an AIS paper on the subject (pre lifting of the ban)

    http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/SuppCaffWS.htm

    "No Doz" tablets (keep your eyes owl like) contain 100mg of caffeine and are available over the pharmacist's counter without a prescription. The caffeine is artificial but whether it is contaminated by the residue of other manufactures is a question that applies to all pharmaceutical grade drugs these days.

  3. Caffeine is a legal stimulant which can be an endurance aid for activities of > 30 minutes duration. It is a member of a group of compounds called methylxanthines found naturally in coffee beans, tea leaves, chocolate, cocoa beans, guarana, and cola (kola) nuts and similar to the asthma medication theophylline.
    During prolonged exercise, the onset of fatigue correlates closely with the depletion of muscle glycogen stores (and is delayed if glycogen is spared). The metabolism of free fatty acids (FFA) as an alternative energy source can lead to decreased use of muscle glycogen. Caffeine can increase blood FFAs, and it is felt that this is its major method of action. In one study, caffeine produced a 50% increase in FFA at 3 to 4 hours. This effect was seen after 300 mg of caffeine (an average 6 ounce cup of brewed coffee contains 100 - 150 mg of caffeine but a Starbuck's 8 oz cup contrains 250 mg!).

    There is speculation that some of its benefits may also be related to its central nervous system effect as a stimulant, and a recent study has demonstrated a direct positive effect on the muscle fiber itself via a mobilization of calcium from the sarcoplasmic reticulum with a reported 7% increase in power output over a 6 second cycle exercise task.

    In one controlled study, subjects were able to perform for 90 minutes to fatigue as compared to 75 minutes in controls (a 20% increase) after the drinking the equivalent of 3 cups of coffee or 6 caffeinated colas 1 hour before, even though values for heart rate and oxygen uptake were similar in both groups. Another study, looking at performance with acute altitude change (4300 meters), demonstrated a 50% increase in performance with caffeine supplements. How this would help at lesser elevations, riding in the Rocky Mountains for example, is not clear.

    The suggested dose of caffeine for the recreational rider is 5 mg per kg of body weight (range 3 - 9 mg/kg) taken 1 hour before the ride although some riders take smaller doses periodically throughout the ride itself.

    But there are potential side effects. Caffeine can cause headaches, insomnia, and nervous irritability. In addition it is a diuretic (can cause an increase in urinary water loss) and can lead to dehydration. However the biggest negative is that in high concentrations it is considered a drug and is banned by the US Olympic Committee and US Cycling Federation (to exceed the US cycling Federation's legal limit for caffeine - urine concentration of 12 micrograms/ml - one would have to ingest 600 mg of caffeine (6 cups of coffee) and have a urine test within 2 to 3 hours). Fortunately the ergogenic effects can be achieved well below these limits.

    Habitual use will induce tolerance so a period of abstinence is recommended for several weeks before the event. The bottom line is that most endurance athletes consider caffeine useful if used correctly.

  4. That's some info i just found, im gonna try some tomorrow😄

  5. zaskar: That's an extract from Serious Cycling, by Burke. But, you failed to include the "bottom line" recommendation he makes: if you already drink coffee, fine to try before/during an event, but if you don't, don't start.

    Agree with that conclusion, although the article comes across to me as somewhat "pro-drug".

    Check out the article in the recent Velonews online; this one seems a lot closer to reality to me ( a long-term coffee addict):

    http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5800.0.html

  6. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by dhk
    zaskar: That's an extract from Serious Cycling, by Burke. But, you failed to include the "bottom line" recommendation he makes: if you already drink coffee, fine to try before/during an event, but if you don't, don't start.

    Agree with that conclusion, although the article comes across to me as somewhat "pro-drug".

    Check out the article in the recent Velonews online; this one seems a lot closer to reality to me ( a long-term coffee addict):

    http://www.velonews.com/train/articles/5800.0.html

    Thank's for pointing that out here is the rest of the aricale says nothing to that affect.

    Habitual use will induce tolerance so a period of abstinence is recommended for several weeks before the event. The bottom line is that most endurance athletes consider caffeine useful if used correctly. thanks for the velo link.

    heres the link
    http://www.cptips.com/caff.htm

  7. Quoted post said:

    Originally posted by zaskar
    Thank's for pointing that out here is the rest of the aricale says nothing to that affect.

    Habitual use will induce tolerance so a period of abstinence is recommended for several weeks before the event. The bottom line is that most endurance athletes consider caffeine useful if used correctly. thanks for the velo link.

    heres the link
    http://www.cptips.com/caff.htm

    That's a good link. Sorry I was off-base with your source. I had recently read a similar article in the Serious Cycling book with the different recommendation at the end.

    But, in your article they must be joking about a period of abstinence for several weeks before the event. For a true coffee-lover/addict like me, there's no way.

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