fuzzy vision

Kimberly said:

Hi All!

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early February.
Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in my life.
I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully walking 3
miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per day. I try
to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get enough. My
sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in Feb. (and
A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers are even
better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals are in
the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I have
already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-like
hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range, but
my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy
vision. My question is, how long does it take for this to
settle down?

Often 6 to 8 weeks afaik. Mine took 8 weeks.

Quoted message said:

Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the spikes in my
bs levels?

Yes,in my own case most definitely. That's the major symptom
that my bg is too high.

Quoted message said:

I was fine this morning (bs 142) and I just ate my lunch
(turkey on wheat and low carb Hershey's bar) and now I am
seeing fuzzy again. I wish I had my meter here at work
with me to test to see what my sugars are doing. 🙁

Maybe a second meter kept at work?

Quoted message said:

Thanks for anyone's help.

You are most welcome. Al.

Quoted message said:

Kimberly

I used to have fuzzy vision a lot but now it's very rare and
a sure sign that I am running high or was running high. Now,
it does not last very long when it does happen.

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Quoted message said:

Hi All!

. . .(snip). . .. My question is, how long does it take for
this to settle down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with
the spikes in my bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs
142) and I just ate my lunch (turkey on wheat and low
carb Hershey's bar) and now I am seeing fuzzy again. I
wish I had my meter here at work with me to test to see
what my sugars are doing. 🙁

Thanks for anyone's help.

Kimberly

Mine settled down really fast, took less than a week of
really good control. However, it did come back again just
before I had to go on insulin.

I haven't had a recurrance but I haven't had that much
trouble with bG control either since I went on insulin.

If you are alert and persistent, you can get your hands on
free or very cheap (because of rebates) meters. You ought to
do so in order to build up an inventory of spares etc. I
have six meters and U.S. $28 invested in the lot of them.
Just came back from two weeks in Florida, accompanied by
three meters, (just in case).

Regards
Old Al

Kimberly said:

Hi All!

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early February.
Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in my life.
I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully walking 3
miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per day. I try
to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get enough. My
sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in Feb. (and
A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers are even
better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals are in
the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I have
already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-like
hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range, but
my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy
vision. My question is, how long does it take for this to
settle down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the
spikes in my bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs 142)
and I just ate my lunch (turkey on wheat and low carb
Hershey's bar) and now I am seeing fuzzy again. I wish I
had my meter here at work with me to test to see what my
sugars are doing. 🙁

Thanks for anyone's help.

Kimberly

High blood sugar tends to make you more nearsighted, and low
sugars tend to make you less so.

Once I got myself under control, I had my glasses replaced
with a WEAKER prescription. My wife is currently
experiencing the same thing and is now using her reading
glasses for normal use, and no glasses for reading.

Jon

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Quoted message said:

Hi All!

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early February.
Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in my life.
I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully walking 3
miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per day. I try
to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get enough. My
sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in Feb. (and
A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers are even
better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals are in
the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I have
already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-like
hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range, but
my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy
vision. My question is, how long does it take for this to
settle down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the
spikes in my bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs 142)
and I just ate my lunch (turkey on wheat and low carb
Hershey's bar) and now I am seeing fuzzy again. I wish I
had my meter here at work with me to test to see what my
sugars are doing. 🙁

Thanks for anyone's help.

KimberlY

As other posters pointed out, your eyesight can be affected
by high sugars. The important thing to know is that regular
eye inspections are a vital part of living with diabetes. I
have a dilated eye exam done twice a year by an optometrist.
If you have any concerns with your eyes, before making
assumptions as to what it could be, I'd visit an
opthalmologist who is familliar with diabetes, and have your
eyes checked out.

Henry

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Quoted message said:

Hi All!

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early February.
Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in my life.
I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully walking 3
miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per day. I try
to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get enough. My
sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in Feb. (and
A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers are even
better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals are in
the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I have
already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-like
hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range, but
my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy
vision. My question is, how long does it take for this to
settle down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the
spikes in my bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs 142)
and I just ate my lunch (turkey on wheat and low carb
Hershey's bar) and now I am seeing fuzzy again. I wish I
had my meter here at work with me to test to see what my
sugars are doing. 🙁

Thanks for anyone's help.

I suppose this is one of those YMMV things. My eyes pretty
much settled down after about three months, but even now I
still get occasional bouts of blurries, dry eye, etc.

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On 30 Mar 2004 09:40:55 -0800, [email hidden] (Kimberly)

Quoted message said:

Hi All! I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early
February. Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in
my life. I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully
walking 3 miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per
day. I try to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get
enough. My sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in
Feb. (and A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers
are even better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals
are in the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I
have already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-
like hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range,
but my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

Quoted message said:

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy vision.
My question is, how long does it take for this to settle
down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the spikes in my
bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs 142) and I just ate
my lunch (turkey on wheat and low carb Hershey's bar) and
now I am seeing fuzzy again. I wish I had my meter here at
work with me to test to see what my sugars are doing. 🙁
Thanks for anyone's help. Kimberly

High BG can effect your vision. In my case I discovered that
it improved as I achieved control. I think it took about 8
months in all - not too sure, just a guess. your body needs
to be stable at lower values for some time before a steady
improvement appears.

Also, you might consider this, the older you get then the
stiffer [less flexible] the lens becomes. It still woks but
slower than when younger. The result is that rapid changes
in focus needs don't happen as and when they ought to and
as a result the muscles around the eyes tend to
automatically flex to assist. If you suffer from this badly
then you might detect eye strain and a tendency to squint
especially when you are tired or doing a lot of
reading/close work or the PC. :-))

To test if you do have a bit of this - hold a book or
something to read at chest height. Look far away at
something say - 200 yds for a minute or two. The immediately
look down at the book and start reading.

If you detect a moment of blurriness then that is it. You
might have strain and you might consider seeing the Optician
for advice. This is a natural aging thing but coupled with
high BG it can affect your 'close work' to the point where
it seems impossible to cope. The longer the delay in
refocussing from long to close the worse and vice versa. If
you do this every so often you might detect variations from
day to day and week to week. You might consider taking steps
to avoid eye strain.

HTH

I am not an optician - this is just what mine told me.

Pete

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
at freeuk.com

Thanks to everyone that replied to my message. When I got
home last night, my bs level was one of my lowest readings
so far (in the low 80s), so that explains the fuzzy vision
correlation. My doc advised that while my blood sugars are
coming down, my vision will be affected, which is a good
thing in the end, because it means my body is adjusting to
the lower levels.

I just thought it would be fuzzy and then be done with, not
periodic episodes. 🙁

Hopefully they won't last too long.

Another question I have is about morning numbers. They
are steadily coming down, but not nearly as quickly as pm
numbers (am still 130-140). Taking Metformin is not an
option for me, so what else besides exercising can I do
to stop my liver from producing glycogen in the middle of
the night?

Kimberly

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Quoted message said:

Hi All!

I was diagnosed with Type II diabetes in early February.
Since then, I have made some dramatic changes in my life.
I went from hardly any exercise to faithfully walking 3
miles a day, and resticting my carbs to 150 per day. I try
to eat no less than 150, to make sure I get enough. My
sugars have gone down from fasting am of 299 in Feb. (and
A1C of 10.0)to the 140s for am now. My pm numbers are even
better, and more times than naught, pm pre-meals are in
the "normal" range. I take 8mg of Avandia daily. I have
already had 2 episodes of what my doctor calls a sudo-like
hypoglycemy (where my numbers are in the normal range, but
my body is thinking it's too low), but that is even
getting better now.

My problem now is the fuzzy vision. My doc said to be
prepared since when your sugars are really high the veins
in your eyes expand, and now that my numbers are coming
down, the veins are constricting...leading to fuzzy
vision. My question is, how long does it take for this to
settle down? Does the fuzzy vision coincide with the
spikes in my bs levels? I was fine this morning (bs 142)
and I just ate my lunch (turkey on wheat and low carb
Hershey's bar) and now I am seeing fuzzy again. I wish I
had my meter here at work with me to test to see what my
sugars are doing. 🙁

Thanks for anyone's help.

Kimberly

On 31 Mar 2004 07:44:11 -0800, [email hidden] (Kimberly)

Quoted message said:

Thanks to everyone that replied to my message. When I got
home last night, my bs level was one of my lowest readings
so far (in the low 80s), so that explains the fuzzy vision
correlation. My doc advised that while my blood sugars are
coming down, my vision will be affected, which is a good
thing in the end, because it means my body is adjusting to
the lower levels. I just thought it would be fuzzy and then
be done with, not periodic episodes. 🙁 Hopefully they
won't last too long.

Quoted message said:

Another question I have is about morning numbers. They are
steadily coming down, but not nearly as quickly as pm
numbers (am still 130-140). Taking Metformin is not an
option for me, so what else besides exercising can I do to
stop my liver from producing glycogen in the middle of the
night? Kimberly

A light snack should fool your liver into sensing you do
not need it. I sometimes have a cracker and a thin slice
of cheese.

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
at freeuk.com

Pete said:

On 31 Mar 2004 07:44:11 -0800, [email hidden]

(Kimberly) said:

Thanks to everyone that replied to my message. When I got
home last night, my bs level was one of my lowest readings
so far (in the low 80s), so that explains the fuzzy vision
correlation. My doc advised that while my blood sugars are
coming down, my vision will be affected, which is a good
thing in the end, because it means my body is adjusting to
the lower levels. I just thought it would be fuzzy and
then be done with, not periodic episodes. 🙁 Hopefully
they won't last too long.

Quoted message said:

Another question I have is about morning numbers. They are
steadily coming down, but not nearly as quickly as pm
numbers (am still 130-140). Taking Metformin is not an
option for me, so what else besides exercising can I do to
stop my liver from producing glycogen in the middle of the
night? Kimberly

A light snack should fool your liver into sensing you do
not need it. I sometimes have a cracker and a thin slice
of cheese.

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail:
aspen at freeuk.com

And if a light snack before bedtime doesn't do it - stop
worrying about it, particularly if it's still coming down.
Concentrate on what you can do, and you may find the rest
follows naturally.

Good to see things are heading in the right direction.

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Quoted message said:

A light snack should fool your liver into sensing you do
not need it. I sometimes have a cracker and a thin slice
of cheese.

For me, two small to medium crisp apples last thing at night
helped a great deal - other snack items didn't seem to have
much effect ...

As always - YMMV

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To mail: aspen at freeuk.com

By the way, this implies that you've done something to your
address in the headers that needs interpreting .... it's
actually still shown there in "clear" ... dunno if you
realise it ...

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Hairy Antelope said:

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:18:46 +0100, you , Pete

Quoted post said:

A light snack should fool your liver into sensing you do
not need it. I sometimes have a cracker and a thin slice
of cheese.

Quoted message said:

For me, two small to medium crisp apples last thing at
night helped a great deal - other snack items didn't seem
to have much effect ...

Quoted message said:

As always - YMMV

Apples? Lucky you I love em........they don't love me :-((

Quoted message said:

By the way, this implies that you've done something to your
address in the headers that needs interpreting .... it's
actually still shown there in "clear" ... dunno if you
realise it ...

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
at freeuk.com

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Apples? Lucky you I love em........they don't love me :-((

Do they have a "bad BG" outcome for you, or is it
something else ??

In my case though they *must* be *crisp* apples ... I simply
cannot stomach the taste experience of anything less than
"really hard crisp" (If they feel like they'd bounce off a
hard floor, thats about right)

Funny though how so many different foods have so many
different outcomes when it comes to BG - sometimes I think
that diabetes has so many variants that each of us has
his/her own specific variety ... or so it seems ...

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Hairy Antelope said:

Funny though how so many different foods have so many
different outcomes when it comes to BG - sometimes I think
that diabetes has so many variants that each of us has
his/her own specific variety ... or so it seems ...

On soapbox.

It took me ages to fully understand why so many people here
used "YMMV". But, with type 2, it is the only thing that is
absolutely correct. There are a number of things which hold
true in general: high BGs = bad, low LDL = good etc, but
there are so many things that vary from person to person. I
can eat mangoes (1/3 at a serve) without spiking, others go
off the glucometer scale with a sniff of a mango, and
others could eat them but can't stand the taste. Most of us
can't handle high carb inputs, but some of us can. And so
on. YMMV :-)

That's why standard autocratic pronouncements from
authorities on high are questioned so much here; they try to
generalise treatment of a disease that is incredibly
variable and specific to the individual. That is also why
the advice to "test, test, test" is excellent - it
determines what the effects are for THAT individual. YOU.

Off soapbox.

I have no idea what the international version would be.
"Your kilometrage may vary" YKMV doesn't have quite the same
ring to it :-)

Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Quoted message said:

That's why standard autocratic pronouncements from
authorities on high

Thats in part why I ended up so badly controlled - there was
always this *insistance* on "exchanges" and "must avoid this
" etc ... just didn't work for me, either mentally and
physically ..

Then after my experience/wake up call with gangrene I
started paying attention here, realised the Way Things
Really Are, and tested drastically for 6 to 8 months -
anything up to 15 or 20 times a day (thats a *lot* as far
as I'm concerned) but it did give me an overall picture of
what I can/can't do .... these days I test more or less as
I feel like - average 3 times a day, but sometimes more,
sometimes less ... and *always* if I feel as if something
is out of whack

Of course now I'm dealing with better medical people too
.... a few years ago I was trying to deal with a doctor
who's idea of diabetic management was to rant and rave and
lay down the law - apparently because he'd had some relative
or other suffer severe complications from poor control
........... I don't think I'm the only one that tends to
walk off thinking "Up Yours" in those sort of circumstances

Quoted message said:

I have no idea what the international version would be.
"Your kilometrage may vary" YKMV doesn't have quite the
same ring to it :-)

Perhaps "Your recorded distance readings may fluctuate" ...
YRDRMF - Ugh ... sounds awful !!!!

The heck with it - I'll treat this like I do everything else
- metricate if I feel like it, use anything else when I feel
like it - I have been known to refer to yards, inches,
centimetres, millimetres and thousandths of an inch in
almost one breath ... .. course sometimes I do get some Very
Confused Looks from people who weren't even born when this
country metricated .... Bah Humbug !!!!

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to everyone that replied to my message. When I got
home last night, my bs level was one of my lowest readings
so far (in the low 80s), so that explains the fuzzy vision
correlation. My doc advised that while my blood sugars are
coming down, my vision will be affected, which is a good
thing in the end, because it means my body is adjusting to
the lower levels.

I just thought it would be fuzzy and then be done with, not
periodic episodes. 🙁

Hopefully they won't last too long.

Another question I have is about morning numbers. They
are steadily coming down, but not nearly as quickly as pm
numbers (am still 130-140). Taking Metformin is not an
option for me, so what else besides exercising can I do
to stop my liver from producing glycogen in the middle of
the night?

Kimberly

High Fasting bG are caused by your particular position
in a balance between your particular level of Insulin
Resistance, your particular level of self-generated
Insulin Capacity, and your particular level of stress
hormone release in the early morning hours.

If you don't like your level of FbG, you manipulate your
level of Insulin Resistance or your ability to put insulin
into your blood during those hours. (Sorry, never heard of
any good technique for fiddling with the stress hormones.)

Metformin, Actos or Avandia will reduce your level of
Insulin Resistance. Vigorous daily exercise accompanied by
fat loss will have the same effect though they are a bit
unpredictable..

The beta stimulator meds might increase your level of
insulin but that is a very tricky approach since they would
have to be active during night time hours in which you need
the least amount of insulin in your 24-hour cycle.

A shot of slow-absorbing insulin at bedtime will knock those
FbG down in a flash.

Regards
Old Al

Hairy Antelope said:

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:41:26 +0100, you , Pete
<[email hidden]>, wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Apples? Lucky you I love em........they don't love me :-((

Quoted message said:

Do they have a "bad BG" outcome for you, or is it
something else ??

Apples cause me terrible spikes. For example, one small
[tennis ball size] apple will put me into double figures in
about oh......20 mins. If I am low say 4.0 I can bang
meself up to 9.0 very quickly. So unless I am missing a
meal or working hard I don't bother. I sometimes have a 1/4
of one mid afternoon or small diced bits in a salad with
cheese though.

Quoted message said:

In my case though they *must* be *crisp* apples ... I
simply cannot stomach the taste experience of anything less
than "really hard crisp" (If they feel like they'd bounce
off a hard floor, thats about right)

Quoted message said:

Funny though how so many different foods have so many
different outcomes when it comes to BG - sometimes I think
that diabetes has so many variants that each of us has
his/her own specific variety ... or so it seems ...

Yup.....however, I have been able to tollerate half an
orange recently. Things are improving for me in terms of
what I can eat and get away with. For example last night i
was feeling a bit stressed and deliberately chomped on two
bags of crisps [Cheese n Onion and Worcester Sauce] at about
2200. My FBG this morning at 0700 was ........wait for it
6.5 which believe it or not is the average for me. Now why
that should be i don't know. Yet

Pete

Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide
+ Asprin 210lbs at Dx to BMI 166lbs achieved. To mail: aspen
at freeuk.com

Quoted message said:

A shot of slow-absorbing insulin at bedtime will knock
those FbG down in a flash.

Certainly helped for me - I used to have a bad mid-morning
peak .... eventually a shot of insulin last thing at night
(peaks about 8 to 12 hours later) and my two apples as I go
to bed killed the peak.

Rest of the day passes with metformin and amaryl ...

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