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Bottom Bracket Fixed Cup Gap?

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  1. I am renovating my 1950s Elswick-Hopper Lincoln Imp but am
    experiencing a creak from the bottom bracket when the left
    pedal is at the 11 o'clock position.

    The fixed cup when screwed in does not bed down squarely on
    the frame - difference of 0.8mm between opposite sides
    (equivalent to about one thread pitch). Is this within
    tolerances?

    But if I really tighten it down then it does go down flat;
    but them presumably the cup is distorted to fit the bracket,
    and so also will be the ball bearing surface?

    When I rotate the axle by hand it seems to have a slight
    wobble in it. Anyone any idea on how I can check if the axle
    is straight? Rolling it on glass does not work since the
    bearing flanges act as wheels and hold the axle surface off
    the glass.

    many thanks

    Davy

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    I am renovating my 1950s Elswick-Hopper Lincoln Imp but am
    experiencing a creak from the bottom bracket when the left
    pedal is at the 11 o'clock position.

    The fixed cup when screwed in does not bed down squarely
    on the frame - difference of 0.8mm between opposite sides
    (equivalent to about one thread pitch). Is this within
    tolerances?

    I've seen worse, but it's not ideal. Sounds like one of
    three things - dodgy thread on cup; dodgy thread on frame;
    bottom bracket shell not faced properly. Much more likely to
    be one of the first two, given that it's an old frame. Is
    the cup loose in the shell? Try another cup and see if it's
    any different. (Make sure it's a decent one...)

    Quoted message said:

    But if I really tighten it down then it does go down flat;
    but them presumably the cup is distorted to fit the
    bracket, and so also will be


    the

    Quoted message said:

    ball bearing surface?

    Cup able to move in threads allowing it to fit flush? Sounds
    like the dodgy thread idea to me.

    Quoted message said:

    When I rotate the axle by hand it seems to have a slight
    wobble in it. Anyone any idea on how I can check if the
    axle is straight? Rolling it on glass does not work since
    the bearing flanges act as wheels and hold the axle
    surface off the glass.

    Difficult. I presume it's the left side that's possibly out,
    because it's normally pretty easy to use the chainring to
    assess this if it's the right. (If it *is* the right, and no
    deviation is evident in the ring, or any deviation is
    obviously the ring itself, don't worry about the axle.) If
    it's possible (which it may not be), fit the r/h crank to
    the l/h side to use it to check.

    Your problem could well be a dubious thread on the
    adjustable cup side. If it's loose (which it must be
    slightly, to take up the 0.8mm), it's probably moving
    slightly in the frame. See what changing the cup does; if
    other cups are the same, you have a bigger problem. Might be
    possible for a framebuilder to sort it out - usually needs a
    bit of braze in the thread followed by a retap. Or you could
    have it reamed and converted to Italian thread, if the
    shell's thick enough (and you can get 36x24 cups to match
    your axle or chainset, which might not be at all easy).

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    Your problem could well be a dubious thread on the
    *adjustable* cup side.

    Fixed cup side, even!!

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