Kivilev dies

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.

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It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
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Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
the front of the skull and braintrauma which let to a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet
at the time.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.

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From French Eurosport:
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My rough translation: A terrible leaden mantle has come over Paris-Nice. Andrei Kivilev, victim of a
fall during the 2nd stage, died Wednesday morning in the hospital in St. Etienne. Fourth in the Tour
de France in 2001, Cofidis' Kazakh climber was 29 years old.

In St. Chamond, 40 km from the end of the stage in St. Etienne, he fell along with two other riders,
his teammate Marek Rutkiewicz and Volker Ordowshi, who were not seriously injured. Kivilev fell face
down and fell immediately into a coma.

Hospitalized at first in St. Chamond, Kivilev was transferred to St. Etienne where there is a
neurosurgery service. Tuesday night the chief medical officer of the Paris-Nice race had, however,
initially released a slightly optimistic communique. Unfortunately, Wednesday morning pessimism
returned. "His state worsened during the night," said the doctor for the Cofidis team. Then, a
little after 10am, Kivilev died.

After arriving in France, he took up residence in St. Etienne like his countryman Alexander
Vinokourov. He spent his professional career in French teams (Festina, Casino, and Cofidis). A pure
climber, he had achieved his greatest feat with a 4th place in the 2001 Tour de France. He had only
two victories in his palmares, but he regularly finished within the top 5 during stage races.

Kivilev's fatal accident is the first among professional riders in 4 years. In 1999, the Spaniard
Manuel Sanroma died from a fall during the Tour of Catalonia. Four years earlier, the Italian Fabio
Casartelli died during the Tour de France on the terrible descent of the Portet d'Aspet.

In consultation with the riders and other members of the team, Cofidis has decided to continue the
race. "It's better to stay together after this terrible event," declared one of the team officials.

John Stevenson said:

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ditto 🙁

3rd stage P-N will be a farewell defile....

"Une minute de silence en hommage au coureur kazakh a été observée au Puy-en-Velay au départ de la
troisième étape de la course cycliste Paris-Nice qui sera transformée en défilé. Les coureurs, très
émus sur le lieu de rassemblement, ont prévu de ne pas disputer la course comme ils l'avaient fait
au lendemain du décès du coureur italien Fabio Casartelli dans le Tour de France 1995.

La troisième étape de Paris-Nice, qui est partie peu avant 12 heures, est longue de 192,5 kilomètres
du Puy-en-Velay jusqu'au Pont-du-Gard (Gard). Les coureurs, qui avaient envisagé de rejoindre le
ravitaillement de la mi-course à bord de leurs voitures d'équipe, ont finalement décidé de parcourir
toute la distance à vélo.

Le Belge Nico Mattan, coéquipier de Kivilev dans le groupe Cofidis, a annoncé ce souhait aux
organisateurs de l'épreuve. "L'étape sera parcourue à une allure d'environ 33-35 km/h", a déclaré
Jean-Marie Leblanc, directeur de la société organisatrice, en remerciant les coureurs."

Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

Stan Cox

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It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
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Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to the
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coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
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Oh man...:-(

Stan Cox said:

Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

idd please

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Stan Cox said:

Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

Stan Cox

If it is appropriate that professional bike racing, like virtually all wheeled sports, requires head
protection, then if this event inspires such a change it only shows respect for Kivelev's memory. To
me, that issue is quite relevent.

It's important to try and draw lessons from tragedies. If the issues associated with the
circumstances of the tragedy can't be discussed, this becomes less likely. The issue here,
obviously, is head injury, and how it can be reduced among professional racing.

If people start debating MHL's among the general population, Australia yada yada, that's completely
inappropriate, as it has nothing to do with racing. The situations are completely different.

If the argument is helmets are too hot, that the compensating risk of heat stroke nullifies the
advantage of head protection, well I just see no evidence for that.

If the argument is "where will one draw the line? What about body armor?" I draw the line at
helmets. At least for now. Head injuries are the obvious target.

Dan

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It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
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Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
the front of the skull and braintrauma which let

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a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.

Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too

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for that.

Too late for that now. The subject has, unfortunately, been brought up.
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Marty

from L'Equipe: lequipe.frcofidis kiv.htmlOpen ↗

The "Alta Vista" translation:

Andrei Kivilev fell face against ground, Tuesday, in the second stage, to forty kilometers of the
arrival with Saint-Etienne, before the crossing of Saint-Chamond. The runner kazakh, which lost
consciousness immediately, was hospitalized in Saint-Chamond, then transferred in a service
specialized from neurosurgery to Saint-Etienne. Plunged in the coma since its fall, its health
worsened in the night. The operation of last chance tried in the night of Tuesday to Wednesday did
not give a result, according to the precise details brought by Dr. Jean-Jacques Menuet, doctor of
the team Cofidis. cyclist "Following his fall, the state of Andrei was gravissime with fracture of
the frontal bone, of the air and of blood in the brain", the doctor declared "This night, in regular
contact with Pr Zeni of the CHU of Saint-Etienne, one decided to try a surgical decompression which
did not succeed" According to contradictory testimonys' on the precise circumstances of the
accident, Kivilev fell at the same time as its Polish fellow-member Marek Rutkiewicz and the German
Volker Ordowski. Would this fall have been caused either by the stop of a runner (Ordowski?) for a
mechanical reason, that is to say by touching the wheel of another competitor. At the time of the
accident, Kivilev did not carry a helmet of protection. According to Dr. Jean-Jacques Minuet: "the
port of the helmet would have most probably decreased the lesions of Andrei Kivilev. The
localization of the fracture of the skull corresponds to a place protected by the helmet ",
underlines T-it "It runner is free to carry it or not, even if the doctors advise it" Recall that
the helmet, obligatory for the other categories of runners, is only advised by the international
Union cyclist (UCI) for the runners of the group elite.

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Lets not have this degenerate into a helmet debate. this news is far too sad for that.

Stan Cox

Your right, very sad day for pro cycling losing a major talent. Let's just pretend the helmet debate
doesn't exist until the next cyclist dies. Just when do you decide that wearing a helmet is
mandatory in all UCI races ? Do you wait for week, a month, a year to discuss it ? Six months from
now will anyone give a [censored] ? It will all be forgotten until it happens again. You never want to see
this happen, you don't want to be cold hearted, but to ignore it especially now is would be a
greater tragedy. Stan, what is truly sad, is that it didn't generate into a helmet debate with the
UCI rules committee and generate some changes.

OMC

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for that.

Stan Cox

Your right, very sad day for pro cycling losing a major talent. Let's just pretend the helmet
debate doesn't exist until the next cyclist dies. Just when do you decide that wearing a helmet is
mandatory in all UCI races ? Do you wait for week, a month, a year to discuss it ? Six months from
now will anyone give a [censored] ? It will all be forgotten until it happens again. You never want to
see this happen, you don't want to be cold hearted, but to ignore it especially now is would be a
greater tragedy. Stan, what is truly sad, is that it didn't generate into a helmet debate with the
UCI rules committee and generate some changes.

OMC

Till all of us have a say in what the UCI does, what difference does debating helmet use on usenet
make? US debating helmets being required is a waste of time and energy. Until the pros get the
picture themselves, or the UCI grows a pair and actually makes, then enforces the rules this time,
its a moot point.

If you wear a helmet, great. If you don't, great. It is your choice.

Don't waste my time with useless debates on the internet, save that energy for training!

Mike

That's a drag. The last one that really caught my attention was Casartelli obviously because it was
in the TDF, and that really affected me. Not long after that I got hit head on by a car, and went
flying over the top of the car and landed in the dirt. I wasn't wearing a helmet and didn't get
hurt. I don't always wear helmets for different reasons. I am Pro-choice. I think the Pros should
have the right to choose when and where they want to wear them. Deaths in Pro cycling are rare but
tragic. I am assuming the majority of the Pros in cycling favor the right to choose.

Bruce
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for that.

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It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
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Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
the front of the skull and braintrauma which let

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coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet at the time.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
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It's a sad day for cycling, he leaves behind a wive and kid:
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Belgium teletext reported that suffered a "face plant" like crash which resulted in damage to
the front of the skull and braintrauma which let to a coma. It said he wasn't wearing a helmet
at the time.

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French Eurosport is reporting that Kivilev died in hospital from the injuries he received in
yesterday's stage 2 of the Paris-Nice race.

I heard about it this morning on TV5, a french language channel that broadcasts french programming
from france, switzerland, Belgium, luxembourg. They showed the start with the cofidis guys looking
all traumatized. Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that bad when it happened,
so it was really a bit of a shock.

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I am Pro-choice. I think the Pros should have the right to choose

Let's not start the pro-choice thing. We already have a helmet debate.

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Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that
bad when it happened, so it was really a bit of a shock.

Fractured skull and coma usually sound pretty bad to me. What sounds worse? Instant death,
I suppose.

Perhaps you've been battle-hardened. Work in a M*A*S*H unit?

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Very upsetting and horrible. It didn't sound like it was that
bad when it happened, so it was really a bit of a shock.

Fractured skull and coma usually sound pretty bad to me. What sounds worse? Instant death, I
suppose.

Perhaps you've been battle-hardened. Work in a M*A*S*H unit?

Henry, give her a break. I was watching it live and although it was clear he had lost conciousness,
it was completely unclear how severe the injury was. The guys standing around him didn't appear
frantic, and the director switched back to live race action after a minute or two. I didn't know
about the skull fracture until 11pm CET.