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  1. The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the big bright picture ,
    "blink blink "

    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative approach
    to medical problems has validity based in countless
    generational experiences , unlike their methods of drug
    dispensing . The term " First Do No Harm" is a forgotten
    sentiment , no longer valid in the present context of
    chemotherapy , potent radio active substances induced into
    the human body , hundreds of drugs with serious and
    dangerous side effects dispensed like candy , so that other
    drugs can be prescribed to offset the effects of the first
    drug and so on and so on it goes.

    Millions and millions of well educated people worldwide are
    taking responsibility for their own health care and are
    making decisions based upon intellect and knowledge .
    Conventional is running scared , the golden goose is slowly
    fading away .

    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves being laughed at by their peers who are more
    astute and wise in the ways of business . The detractors who
    continually post here are the true imbeciles and paid
    lackeys , their opinions are not grounded in anything other
    than a brain dead stupidity.

    Of course the smarter ones in the conventional system will
    try to take control of this very lucrative and expanding
    market , they will eventually be claiming that alternative
    health care is only effective if they control and dispense
    it . They will try , but they will not win , the outcry and
    resistance worldwide will leave them shaking in their pat
    boone brothel creeper shoes .

    Bew

  2. Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the big bright picture ,
    "blink blink "

    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative approach
    to medical problems has validity based in countless
    generational experiences , unlike their methods of drug
    dispensing . The term " First Do No Harm" is a forgotten
    sentiment , no longer valid in the present context of
    chemotherapy , potent radio active substances induced into
    the human body , hundreds of drugs with serious and
    dangerous side effects dispensed like candy , so that other
    drugs can be prescribed to offset the effects of the first
    drug and so on and so on it goes.

    Tell that to Lance Armstrong who has won the Tour De
    France a number of times AFTER being diagnosed with
    malignant testicular cancer that was effectively treated
    with chemotherapy. And this is not just anecdotal since
    studies indicate the efficacy of this treatment for
    testicular cancer. If Lance listened to you it is likely
    he would now be dead.

    It is YOU Bew who is close minded. You are not open to the
    possibility that sometimes medications, chemotherapy, etc
    may actually help a person get better after being
    diagnosed with a particular disease. You are so anti-
    conventional medicine that you cannot allow for this
    possibility. Sad that.

    Quoted message said:

    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves being laughed at by their peers who are more
    astute and wise in the ways of business . The detractors
    who continually post here are the true imbeciles and paid
    lackeys , their opinions are not grounded in anything other
    than a brain dead stupidity.

    Gratuitous personal attacks. The last refuge of the
    desperate.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Fading Fast
    From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 3/24/04 10:51 AM Eastern Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    I think you are getting the correct picture. If the victims
    of the medical monopoly ever realize how they have been
    plucked like a chicken of their health and their money, the
    conventional medical quacks may have to run for the hills
    to avoid jail and prison. Hopefully we will not have a
    reinactment of the French Revolution with MDs as the
    invited guests.

    DrC PhD

    Quoted message said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the big bright picture ,
    "blink blink "

  4. Al this time and you are still an [censored] trolling for
    attention like a child.

    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:51:33 +0800, "Bew"

    qw@nonamewhatsover said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the big bright picture ,
    "blink blink "

    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative
    approach to medical problems has validity based in
    countless generational experiences ,


    unlike

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their methods of drug dispensing . The term " First Do No
    Harm" is a forgotten sentiment , no longer valid in the
    present context of


    chemotherapy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    , potent radio active substances induced into the human
    body , hundreds


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drugs with serious and dangerous side effects dispensed
    like candy , so


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other drugs can be prescribed to offset the effects of
    the first drug and


    so

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on and so on it goes.

    Tell that to Lance Armstrong who has won the Tour De
    France a number of times AFTER being diagnosed with
    malignant testicular cancer that was effectively treated
    with chemotherapy. And this is not just anecdotal since
    studies indicate the efficacy of this treatment for
    testicular cancer. If Lance listened to you it is likely
    he would now be dead.

    It is YOU Bew who is close minded. You are not open to the
    possibility that sometimes medications, chemotherapy, etc
    may actually help a person get better after being
    diagnosed with a particular disease. You are so anti-
    conventional medicine that you cannot allow for this
    possibility. Sad that.

    Quoted message said:

    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves being laughed at by their peers who are more
    astute and wise in the ways of business . The detractors
    who continually post here are the true


    imbeciles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and paid lackeys , their opinions are not grounded in
    anything other than


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    brain dead stupidity.

    Gratuitous personal attacks. The last refuge of the
    desperate.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  5. "Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Al this time and you are still an [censored] trolling for
    attention like a child.

    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:51:33 +0800, "Bew"

    qw@nonamewhatsover said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world
    are slowly


    emerging

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from their dark caves of limited viewpoint and are now
    looking at the


    big

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bright picture , "blink blink "

    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative
    approach to medical problems has validity based in
    countless generational experiences ,


    unlike

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    their methods of drug dispensing . The term " First Do
    No Harm" is a forgotten sentiment , no longer valid in
    the present context of


    chemotherapy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    , potent radio active substances induced into the human
    body , hundreds


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drugs with serious and dangerous side effects dispensed
    like candy , so


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    other drugs can be prescribed to offset the effects of
    the first drug


    and

    Quoted message said:

    so

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    on and so on it goes.

    Tell that to Lance Armstrong who has won the Tour De
    France a number of times AFTER being diagnosed with
    malignant testicular cancer that was effectively treated
    with chemotherapy. And this is not just anecdotal since
    studies indicate the efficacy of this treatment for
    testicular cancer. If Lance listened to you it is likely
    he would now be dead.

    It is YOU Bew who is close minded. You are not open to
    the possibility that sometimes medications,
    chemotherapy, etc may actually help a person get better
    after being diagnosed with a particular disease. You are
    so anti-conventional medicine that you cannot allow for
    this possibility. Sad that.

    Quoted message said:

    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves


    being

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    laughed at by their peers who are more astute and wise
    in the ways of business . The detractors who
    continually post here are the true


    imbeciles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and paid lackeys , their opinions are not grounded in
    anything other


    than

    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    brain dead stupidity.

    Gratuitous personal attacks. The last refuge of the
    desperate.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

    On the contrary I am certainly not against conventional
    medicine at all . However I am against their belief that
    they have the answer to everything and that they are the
    only voice we poor uneducted ordinary people should
    listen to.

    As you well know so many of the drugs you guys dispense have
    their origins in natural ingredients , so the continual put
    down of alternative health care , is laughable.

  6. Bew' qw@nonamewhatsover said:


    On the contrary I am certainly not against conventional
    medicine at all . However I am against their belief that
    they have the answer to everything and that they are the
    only voice we poor uneducted ordinary people should
    listen to.

    Strawman argument. Name a single person who thinks that they
    have the answer to everything. Just one person. Or admit
    that you are wrong.

    Quoted message said:


    As you well know so many of the drugs you guys dispense
    have their origins in natural ingredients , so the
    continual put down of alternative health care , is
    laughable.

    Let us follow this logic. Many of the drugs have origins in
    natural ingredients. Therefore one should not express
    skepticism of various alternative treatments.

    Extra credit. What logical fallacy is Bew making here??

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Quoted message said:

    -------------------------------------------------
    -------------------------------------------------

    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  7. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Fading Fast From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover Date:
    3/24/04 10:51 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id:
    <[email hidden]>

    I think you are getting the correct picture. If the
    victims of the medical monopoly ever realize how they
    have been


    plucked

    Quoted message said:

    like a chicken of their health and their money,


    ====================================
    So you're claiming the alt health practitioners are NOT
    CHARGING for their services (not plucking the chickens) and
    all their patients become healthy again? That's how it's
    coming across to us. Where do I find one who will see me for
    FREE? How will they CURE my hypothyroidism and my dear old
    friend's diabetes? How about my other friend's
    endometriosis? How are the alts surviving financially since
    they don't charge or pluck the chickens as you call it?
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  8. Hi Kim Have you tried anything for curing those conditions?
    How do you know if you have not, since there's no studies
    been done to show efficacy of alt med? Anth

    "Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040324191621.18872.00000070@mb-
    m20.aol.com...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: Fading Fast From: "Bew" qw@nonamewhatsover
    Date: 3/24/04 10:51 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-
    id: <[email hidden]>

    I think you are getting the correct picture. If the
    victims of the medical monopoly ever realize how they
    have been


    plucked

    Quoted message said:

    like a chicken of their health and their money,


    ====================================
    So you're claiming the alt health practitioners are NOT
    CHARGING for their services (not plucking the chickens)
    and all their patients become healthy again? That's how
    it's coming across to us. Where do I find one who will see
    me for FREE? How will they CURE my hypothyroidism and my
    dear old friend's diabetes? How about my other friend's
    endometriosis? How are the alts surviving financially
    since they don't charge or pluck


    the

    Quoted message said:

    chickens as you call it?
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  9. X-No-Archive: yes

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Kim Have you tried anything for curing those
    conditions?

    What's there to try? Untested herbs? I tried that for hot
    flashes and it was 100% useless. There is no cure so why do
    the fanatical alts claim the Dr's are bleeding us dry or
    "plucking the chickens?" It's not their fault that some
    conditions can't be cured.

    Quoted message said:

    How do you know if you have not, since there's no studies
    been done to


    show

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy of alt med?

    What else is there to try besides herbs? What can a diabetic
    do? Stop his insulin shots and die? What blocks estrogen
    production and controls endometriosis? Nothing in the
    herbalists bag of tricks that I know of. She's about decided
    on surgery for relief. That's the route I finally took. And
    don't blame my Dr since it was *my* decision. I couldn't
    take the monthly agony any more.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  10. "Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Kim Have you tried anything for curing those
    conditions?

    What's there to try? Untested herbs? I tried that for hot
    flashes and it was 100% useless. There is no cure so why
    do the fanatical alts claim the Dr's are bleeding us dry
    or "plucking the chickens?" It's not their


    fault

    Quoted message said:

    that some conditions can't be cured.

    I don't know - have you looked? Grapefruit shows promise in
    helping certain types of diabetes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How do you know if you have not, since there's no
    studies been done to


    show

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy of alt med?

    What else is there to try besides herbs? What can a
    diabetic do? Stop


    his

    Quoted message said:

    insulin shots and die?

    I wouldn't advise that, nutrition maybe?

    Quoted message said:

    What blocks estrogen production and controls
    endometriosis? Nothing in


    the herbalists bag of tricks that I know of.

    Quoted message said:

    She's about decided on surgery for relief. That's the
    route I finally


    took.

    Quoted message said:

    And don't blame my Dr since it was *my* decision. I
    couldn't take the monthly agony any more.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Have you looked in the scientific literature for hints at
    things that *may* help? I know of experimental cell
    transplants in the liver which produce insulin - that looks
    promising, were you aware of that? Some people that have had
    it done can lead a more normal life than constantly being
    dependant on insulin.. Anth

  11. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8bGdnQncLZEt2P7dRVn-
    [email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    X-No-Archive: yes

    "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi Kim Have you tried anything for curing those
    conditions?

    What's there to try? Untested herbs? I tried that for
    hot flashes and


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was 100% useless. There is no cure so why do the
    fanatical alts claim


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr's are bleeding us dry or "plucking the chickens?"
    It's not their


    fault

    Quoted message said:

    that some conditions can't be cured.

    I don't know - have you looked? Grapefruit shows promise
    in helping certain types of diabetes.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    How do you know if you have not, since there's no
    studies been done to


    show

    Quoted message said:

    efficacy of alt med?

    What else is there to try besides herbs? What can a
    diabetic do? Stop


    his

    Quoted message said:

    insulin shots and die?

    I wouldn't advise that, nutrition maybe?

    The treatment is insulin AND proper nutrition. I knew
    someone who relied solely on insulin. Our town just named a
    park after him.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    What blocks estrogen production and controls
    endometriosis? Nothing in


    the herbalists bag of tricks that I know of.

    Quoted message said:

    She's about decided on surgery for relief. That's the
    route I finally


    took.

    Quoted message said:

    And don't blame my Dr since it was *my* decision. I
    couldn't take the monthly agony any more.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html w-w-
    ww.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Have you looked in the scientific literature for hints at
    things that


    *may*

    Quoted message said:

    help? I know of experimental cell transplants in the liver
    which produce


    insulin -

    Quoted message said:

    that looks promising, were you aware of that? Some people
    that have had it done can lead a more normal life than
    constantly being dependant on insulin.. Anth

  12. "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the big bright picture ,
    "blink blink "

    Just what do you think medicine has been prevented from
    seeing by its "limited viewpoint"? It is the alties who
    limit their viewpoint by refusing to obtain even a
    rudimentary understanding of anatomy and physiology before
    adopting their beliefs in impossible treatment systems.

    Quoted message said:


    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative approach
    to medical problems has validity based in countless
    generational experiences,

    Yes, when your great, great grandmother got a wart from
    picking up a toad, it could be cured by applying a
    penny that had been dipped in holy water. That would
    work for you, too.

    Quoted message said:

    unlike their methods of drug dispensing.

    Regulated pharmacy is not "countless" generations old, but
    it's been around long enough to prove that it works well.

    Quoted message said:

    The term " First Do No Harm" is a forgotten sentiment , no
    longer valid in the present context of


    chemotherapy

    Quoted message said:

    , potent radio active substances induced into the
    human body,

    You alties love to point to chemo and radiation therapies as
    harmful failures of medical science. Yet those treatments
    WORK, both to save lives and to relieve suffering.

    Quoted message said:

    hundreds of drugs with serious and dangerous side effects
    dispensed like candy,

    And what about hundreds of "supplements" with serious and
    dangerous side effects, dispensed as "food," without even
    the level of regulation and control that is placed on ice
    cream or chewing gum?

    Quoted message said:

    so that other drugs can be prescribed to offset the
    effects of the first drug and


    so

    Quoted message said:

    on and so on it goes.

    Very few drugs are prescribed to offset the effects of other
    drugs. This is another of the kook pharma-conspiracy myths.

    Quoted message said:

    Millions and millions of well educated people worldwide
    are taking responsibility for their own health care and
    are making decisions based


    upon

    Quoted message said:

    intellect and knowledge.

    Nobody with intellect and knowledge of human anatomy would
    believe that a swallowed mixture of olive oil and citrus
    juice could find its way into the gallbladder and "flush" it
    of stones. Or that homeopathic water with not one molecule
    of its claimed active ingredient could be effective as a
    medication. Or that "Restores balance to the body," or
    "Strengthens the immune system" mean anything specific or
    useful in referrence to the products for which those claims
    are made. The list goes on and on. Yes, "educated" people
    sometimes do make poor choices, but not "based on intellect
    and knowledge."

    Quoted message said:

    Conventional is running scared , the golden goose is
    slowly fading away.

    The doctors I know, and I know a lot of them, don't seem all
    that scared to
    me. I don't know any geese, but that fading syndrome may
    need the attention of a vetrinarian.

    Quoted message said:


    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves being laughed at by their peers who are more
    astute and wise in the ways of business.

    "Smear" is a strange word here. Although we ofter "sneer" at
    silly altie ideas and stupid statements that contradict the
    known nature of the universe, I, for one, do not "smear"
    anyone or anything. To "smear" is to spread public lies in
    order to discredit. I am very careful, when debunking an
    altie misconception, to truthfully state facts that I can
    back up, or make it clear that my statement is an opinion.
    (An opinion may be incorrect, but it cannot be a lie.)

    Quoted message said:

    The detractors who continually post here are the true
    imbeciles and paid lackeys, their opinions are not
    grounded in anything other than a brain dead stupidity.

    Nobody is paid to post here except the spammers. The
    opinions of the skeptics here are, for the most part,
    solidly grounded in the truth about what the universe is and
    how it functions. You should read some science someday. It's
    fascinating.

    Quoted message said:


    Of course the smarter ones in the conventional system
    will try to take control of this very lucrative and
    expanding market, they will eventually be claiming that
    alternative health care is only effective if they control
    and dispense it.

    I'm sure that I could package and label my lawn clippings,
    and through a website that promised that my supplement would
    "Boost the Immune System, Remove Toxins, and Provide
    Micronutrients That Are Missing in Your Diet," sell them at
    a tidy profit. That might be "smart." In this country, it is
    even legal. But it would be dishonest. It does sound
    familiar, though.

    Quoted message said:

    They will try, but they will not win, the outcry and
    resistance worldwide will leave them shaking in their pat
    boone brothel creeper shoes .

    Now you've done it. You have insulted a fine upstanding
    Christian man like Pat Boone. What did he ever do to
    you? Oh, and I don't "creep" in brothels. It makes the
    ladies nervous.

    --Rich

  13. "Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Have you looked in the scientific literature for hints at
    things that


    *may*

    Quoted message said:

    help?

    Before my surgery? Yes but I didn't have a computer back
    then (1980s). I had to depend on friends and the library.
    Some of the painkillers I tried helped, but only for awhile.
    Only Danocrine, a very expensive drug really helped, but was
    not a cure and the pain would come right back. I tried all
    the alt suggestions of the time such as giving up coffee,
    taking extra Vitamin E and C... that didn't help at all.
    These are not estrogen suppressers, and so were useless.

    Quoted message said:

    I know of experimental cell transplants in the liver
    which produce


    insulin -

    Quoted message said:

    that looks promising, were you aware of that?

    Yes we are. With no health insurance, surgery is out for him
    - unless he can get into some trial.

    Quoted message said:

    Some people that have had it done can lead a more normal
    life than constantly being dependant on insulin..

    But it takes a lot of money for surgery.....

    Quoted message said:

    Anth


    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  14. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The conventional medical fraternity around the world are
    slowly emerging from their dark caves of limited
    viewpoint and are now looking at the


    big

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    bright picture , "blink blink "

    Just what do you think medicine has been prevented from
    seeing by its "limited viewpoint"? It is the alties who
    limit their viewpoint by


    refusing

    Quoted message said:

    to obtain even a rudimentary understanding of anatomy and
    physiology


    before

    Quoted message said:

    adopting their beliefs in impossible treatment systems.

    Quoted message said:


    Belatedly they have realised that the alternative
    approach to medical problems has validity based in
    countless generational experiences,

    Yes, when your great, great grandmother got a wart from
    picking up a toad, it could be cured by applying a penny
    that had been dipped in holy water. That would work for
    you, too.

    Quoted message said:

    unlike their methods of drug dispensing.

    Regulated pharmacy is not "countless" generations old, but
    it's been


    around

    Quoted message said:

    long enough to prove that it works well.

    Quoted message said:

    The term " First Do No Harm" is a forgotten sentiment ,
    no longer valid in the present context of


    chemotherapy

    Quoted message said:

    , potent radio active substances induced into the
    human body,

    You alties love to point to chemo and radiation therapies
    as harmful failures of medical science. Yet those
    treatments WORK, both to save lives and to relieve
    suffering.

    Quoted message said:

    hundreds of drugs with serious and dangerous side
    effects dispensed like candy,

    And what about hundreds of "supplements" with serious and
    dangerous side effects, dispensed as "food," without even
    the level of regulation and control that is placed on ice
    cream or chewing gum?

    Quoted message said:

    so that other drugs can be prescribed to offset the
    effects of the first drug


    and

    Quoted message said:

    so

    Quoted message said:

    on and so on it goes.

    Very few drugs are prescribed to offset the effects of
    other drugs. This


    is

    Quoted message said:

    another of the kook pharma-conspiracy myths.

    Quoted message said:

    Millions and millions of well educated people worldwide
    are taking responsibility for their own health care and
    are making decisions based


    upon

    Quoted message said:

    intellect and knowledge.

    Nobody with intellect and knowledge of human anatomy would
    believe that a swallowed mixture of olive oil and citrus
    juice could find its way into


    the

    Quoted message said:

    gallbladder and "flush" it of stones. Or that homeopathic
    water with not


    one

    Quoted message said:

    molecule of its claimed active ingredient could be
    effective as a medication. Or that "Restores balance to
    the body," or "Strengthens the immune system" mean
    anything specific or useful in referrence to the products
    for which those claims are made. The list goes on and on.
    Yes, "educated" people sometimes do make poor choices, but
    not "based on intellect and knowledge."

    Quoted message said:

    Conventional is running scared , the golden goose is
    slowly fading away.

    The doctors I know, and I know a lot of them, don't seem
    all that scared


    to

    Quoted message said:

    me. I don't know any geese, but that fading syndrome may
    need the


    attention

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    of a vetrinarian.

    Quoted message said:


    The fools on this NG who smear anything alternative are
    themselves being laughed at by their peers who are more
    astute and wise in the ways of business.

    "Smear" is a strange word here. Although we ofter "sneer"
    at silly altie ideas and stupid statements that contradict
    the known nature of the universe, I, for one, do not
    "smear" anyone or anything. To "smear" is to spread public
    lies in order to discredit. I am very careful, when


    debunking

    Quoted message said:

    an altie misconception, to truthfully state facts that I
    can back up, or make it clear that my statement is an
    opinion. (An opinion may be


    incorrect,

    Quoted message said:

    but it cannot be a lie.)

    Quoted message said:

    The detractors who continually post here are the true
    imbeciles and paid lackeys, their opinions are not
    grounded in anything other than


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    brain dead stupidity.

    Nobody is paid to post here except the spammers. The
    opinions of the skeptics here are, for the most part,
    solidly grounded in the truth about what the universe is
    and how it functions. You should read some science
    someday. It's fascinating.

    Quoted message said:


    Of course the smarter ones in the conventional system
    will try to take control of this very lucrative and
    expanding market, they will


    eventually

    Quoted message said:
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    be claiming that alternative health care is only
    effective if they


    control

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    and dispense it.

    I'm sure that I could package and label my lawn clippings,
    and through a website that promised that my supplement
    would "Boost the Immune System, Remove Toxins, and Provide
    Micronutrients That Are Missing in Your Diet," sell them
    at a tidy profit. That might be "smart." In this country,
    it is even legal. But it would be dishonest. It does sound
    familiar, though.

    Quoted message said:

    They will try, but they will not win, the outcry and
    resistance worldwide will leave them shaking in their
    pat boone brothel creeper shoes .

    Now you've done it. You have insulted a fine upstanding
    Christian man like Pat Boone. What did he ever do to you?
    Oh, and I don't "creep" in


    brothels.

    Quoted message said:

    It makes the ladies nervous.

    --Rich

    p.s.: You may think the "golden goose" is fading fast, Bew,
    but I certainly am not frightened enough by your
    assessment to sell my modest stock holdings in
    Medtronic, Inc. (cardiac pacemakers), Sepracor, Inc.
    (pharmaceuticals), and General Electric (medical
    imaging equipment). Perhaps you think I should dump
    them and invest my money in MultiLevel Marketing
    health products?

    --Rich

  15. "Mark Probert-March 25, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
    in message news:y8J8c.14447

    Quoted message said:


    The treatment is insulin AND proper nutrition. I knew
    someone who relied solely on insulin. Our town just named
    a park after him.

    I believe this is my friend's biggest problem. I don't think
    he's able to follow the diet his Dr gave him. From what I
    see he eats too many carbs and only eats one meal a day.
    Because of his deepening depression he sometimes eats almost
    nothing at all. Without insurance he can't see a therapist.
    SSD barely supplies enough money for a healthy person to
    live on, no less a sick person. His savings are all gone.
    He's waiting to hear from Medicare/cade now.

    I have a feeling most of his difficulty with his disease is
    diet related.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  16. Rich Shewmaker said:
    Quoted message said:

    They will try, but they will not win, the outcry and
    resistance worldwide will leave them shaking in their pat
    boone brothel creeper shoes .

    Now you've done it. You have insulted a fine upstanding
    Christian man like Pat Boone. What did he ever do to
    you? Oh, and I don't "creep" in brothels. It makes the
    ladies nervous.

    I had trouble parsing the expression "pat boone brothel
    creeper shoes". It needs some commas somewhere.

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel creeper shoes"
    which would be shoes worn by both Pat and people creeping
    in brothels?

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel creeper, shoes"
    which would be shoes like those worn by that famous brothel
    creeper, Pat Boone?

    Was he referring to "pat boone brothel, creeper shoes" which
    would be special shoes worn while creeping around a brothel
    owned by Pat?

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel, creeper shoes"
    which would be footware to wear to a Pat concert and then go
    whoring and creeping afterwards?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  17. Kim said:

    What can a diabetic do?

    Here it is, straight from the whorses mouth:

    Diabetes Can be Cured

    All diabetics have a common fluke parasite, Eurytrema
    pancreaticum, the pancreatic fluke of cattle, in their own
    pancreas. It seems likely that we get it from cattle,
    repeatedly, by eating their meat or dairy products in a raw
    state. It is not hard to kill with a zapper but because of
    its infective stages in our food supply we can immediately
    be reinfected. Eurytrema will not settle and multiply in our
    pancreas without the presence of wood alcohol (methanol).
    Methanol pollution pervades our food supply -- it is found
    in processed food including bottled water, artificial
    sweetener, soda pop, baby formula and powdered drinks of all
    kinds including health food varieties. I presume wood
    alcohol is used to wash equipment used in manufacturing. If
    your child has diabetes, use nothing out of a can, package
    or bottle except regular milk, and no processed foods.

    By killing this parasite and removing wood alcohol from the
    diet, the need for insulin can be cut in half in three weeks
    (or sooner!).

    Be vigilant with your blood sugar checks. The pancreas with
    its tiny islets that produce insulin recovers very quickly.
    Even if 90% of them were destroyed, requiring daily insulin
    shots, half of them can recover or regenerate so insulin is
    no longer necessary. The insulin shot itself may be polluted
    with wood alcohol (this is an especially cruel irony -- the
    treatment itself is worsening the condition). Test it
    yourself, using the wood alcohol in automotive fluids
    (windshield washer) or from a paint store, as a test
    substance. Try different brands of insulin until you find
    one that is free of methanol.

    Artificial sweeteners are polluted with wood alcohol!
    Instead of helping you cope with your diabetes, they are
    actually promoting it! Do not use them.

    Drugs that stimulate the pancreas to make more insulin may
    also carry solvent pollution; test them for wood alcohol
    and switch brands and bottles until you find a pure one.
    You may not need them much longer, so the extra expense now
    may soon reward you. Copyright © 1993 by Hulda Regehr
    Clark, Ph.D., N.D.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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    "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kim said:

    What can a diabetic do?

    Here it is, straight from the whorses mouth:

    Diabetes Can be Cured

    All diabetics have a common fluke parasite, Eurytrema
    pancreaticum, the pancreatic fluke of cattle, in their own
    pancreas. It seems likely that we get it from cattle,
    repeatedly, by eating their meat or dairy


    ==========================
    LOL!!! Good grief!!! If I printed this and sent it to him
    he'd have me committed. :-) What a read - what a joke! I
    find it hard to believe anyone would fall for this BS
    from Ms Clark.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
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  19. "DRCEEPHD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Very simple. I consulted with anyone who wanted by help
    and advice. I


    asked

    Quoted message said:

    only that they do their best to do what was needed. If I
    was correct, and their disease abated, they I expected
    them to reward me to the extent my knowledge was
    beneficial.

    Nothing wrong with that I guess. I never heard of anyone
    operating that way.

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    Rather than betting on disease, I challenged them to put
    their money where their mouth was.

    What does this mean?

    Quoted message said:

    Every person was astounded. Yet I survived fanancially.

    Be more specific - astounded by what? That you didn't
    charge up front?

    Quoted message said:

    The problem is that humans do not respect anything that
    they get for free.


    The

    Quoted message said:

    more anything costs, the more respect they have for it. I
    have yet to


    solve

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    that problem. DrC PhD

    That isn't true. One of my Dr's would often skip the fee
    before my surgery because he knew even with insurance I was
    pouring money into a disease that wasn't curable. I didn't
    value him and his services any less.
    --
    Kim The most amazing BS artists there are:
    members.rogers.comindex.html
    geocities.comQuackery.html
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  20. "Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Rich Shewmaker said:
    Quoted message said:

    They will try, but they will not win, the outcry and
    resistance worldwide will leave them shaking in their
    pat boone brothel creeper shoes .

    Now you've done it. You have insulted a fine upstanding
    Christian man


    like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Pat Boone. What did he ever do to you? Oh, and I don't
    "creep" in


    brothels.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It makes the ladies nervous.

    I had trouble parsing the expression "pat boone brothel
    creeper shoes". It needs some commas somewhere.

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel creeper shoes"
    which would be shoes worn by both Pat and people creeping
    in brothels?

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel creeper, shoes"
    which would be shoes like those worn by that famous
    brothel creeper, Pat Boone?

    Was he referring to "pat boone brothel, creeper shoes"
    which would be special shoes worn while creeping around a
    brothel owned by Pat?

    Was he referring to "pat boone, brothel, creeper shoes"
    which would be footware to wear to a Pat concert and then
    go whoring and creeping afterwards?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Grammatically, the absence of commas means that "pat boone",
    "brothel", and "creeper" all modify "shoes." Perhaps "pat
    boone" implies outdated, "brothel" means tawdry, and
    "creeper" refers to the function of the shoes. But I'm
    guessing, of course. I won't even hazard a guess as to why
    these might be the shoes of choice for those "smarter" folks
    in conventional medicine who would co-opt alternative
    medicine for their own financial gain. But at least we will
    be able to recognize these villains. We can spot them by
    their shoes! (And their shaking) (Or is that quacking?)

    --Rich

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