chain suck too *VT2*

Splat Graphics' splatgraphics@'NOSPAM said:

Hey there, So this is my second day riding my VT. up to
today it's middle to large ring. I got on some trails and
went to small ring and everytime I put pressure to the
gear the chain went around...... no clue why. this is all
new Raceface.

i'm going to take it back to the shop on Monday and see
what they have to say.

any ideas people?

It drops off the chainring, yeah? If so, then I've had the
same problem with my VT when it was new but as far as I'm
aware it can be a common problem that isn't restricted to
VT's. I found a little TLC and tweaking of the cable
adjustment on the derailleur shifter pod fixed it. You might
have to tweak the cable length or the adjustment screws at
the derailleur too. You may not need to take it to the LBS
if you're confident enough to adjust it yourself or have a
little time. Wait 'til it drops off and you get it jammed
against the BB. I needed my multitool and a handy 5 pound
rock to get it free once. Then again, maybe the Raceface is
diffferent.
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:15:24 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

any ideas people?

Chain lube?

Dirt?

The cosmolene on a new chain attracts a lot of [censored] off-
road. Try wiping the chain down with kerosene or WD-40 and
then applying your favorite lube.

Before a flame war erupts, note that I didn't say to LUBE
with WD-40.
<G>

Barry

Westie said:

It drops off the chainring, yeah?

Chain suck is when the chain doesn't drop off the bottom of
a chainring as the ring rotates, sucking it up against the
frame. The rider needs to do a 1/2 turn or so of back
pedalling to correct it.

It usually only happens on granny rings, and is often caused
by lack of proper lube, dirt and debris stuck in the works,
or a worn out granny ring.

At one time or another, all 6 of the mountain bikes I've had
have done it, so regional mud conditions may make it worse
in some places. I've only seen one road bike do it, a little
lube cleared it up immediately.

Barry

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:15:24 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

any ideas people?

Chain lube?

Dirt?

The cosmolene on a new chain attracts a lot of [censored] off-
road. Try wiping the chain down with kerosene or WD-40 and
then applying your favorite lube.

Actually, on a SRAM chain, the prelube material they
put on it is called gleitmo (sp? I'm too lazy to
recheck this) and it is indeed a lube they say makes it
ready to ride, while also providing protection from
corrosion in shipment etc. Anyway, they recommend you
do NOT remove or strip this coating off. Of course, you
have to go to their website and dig to find this out,
since they are too slack to bother to print it on the
packaging in plain sight, saving us "old-style" folks
from using tried and true methods with new chains. I
credit them for sending out chains ready to ride, but
it does no good if we are not informed, RIGHT SRAM??
ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOUR SOLE SOURCES OF
INCOME????????????? (Yes, you might notice I'm a bit
sensitive about this, having stripped off the gleitmo
coating on my last PC99 chain, and only found out the
correct info during a call to SRAM tech support after a
powerlink failure on a new chain.)
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D H said:

Actually, on a SRAM chain, the prelube material they
put on it is called gleitmo (sp? I'm too lazy to
recheck this) and it is indeed a lube they say makes it
ready to ride, while also providing protection from
corrosion in shipment etc. Anyway, they recommend you
do NOT remove or strip this coating off.

Any lube on the outside of the chain does nothing except
attract grit.
<G> The part of the chain that needs to be lubed is INSIDE,
where the pins run in the rollers.

I'd still wipe the outside, unless SRAM is buying the new
cassettes, jockey wheels, and chain rings.

Barry

B a r r y said:

Westie said:

It drops off the chainring, yeah?

Chain suck is when the chain doesn't drop off the bottom
of a chainring as the ring rotates, sucking it up against
the frame. The rider needs to do a 1/2 turn or so of back
pedalling to correct it.

<snip> Thanks Barry :-) _I_ know what it was but just
clarifying with Splat as he said the chain just 'went
around'.
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Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

yea, so what happens is that when I put any amount of
pressure on the small gear, you can watch the chain wrap
around the BB and small ring. It really messed up the first
time. mared the lower rear arm. I talked to my LBS and they
said to bring it in tomorrow and they'll fix it.

I'm going to take this time to push my bike shop 🙂 Steve,
Kail(sp) and the rest of the guys at 444 Parliament st.
Toronto ON, Cycle Solutions are the BEST in service and
sales I have ever delt with. This is the second bike i have
bought from them and wont be my last 🙂 Fast, friendly and
out going.
🙂 If MTBR had reviews of LBS's these guys would get 5/5
:from me 🙂
Anybody in the TO area should have a look at there store.
cycle-solutions.comindex.phpOpen ↗

thanks

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SGD Racing splat-graphics.tripod.comsplat-graphics.tripod.comOpen ↗
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B a r r y said:

Westie said:

It drops off the chainring, yeah?

Chain suck is when the chain doesn't drop off the bottom
of a chainring as the ring rotates, sucking it up
against the frame. The rider needs to do a 1/2 turn or
so of back pedalling to correct it.

<snip> Thanks Barry :-) _I_ know what it was but just
clarifying with Splat as he said the chain just 'went
around'.
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:15:24 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

any ideas people?

Chain lube?

Dirt?

The cosmolene on a new chain attracts a lot of [censored] off-
road. Try wiping the chain down with kerosene or WD-40
and then applying your favorite lube.

Actually, on a SRAM chain, the prelube material they
put on it is called gleitmo (sp? I'm too lazy to
recheck this) and it is indeed a lube they say makes
it ready to ride, while also providing protection from
corrosion in shipment etc. Anyway, they recommend you
do NOT remove or strip this coating off. Of course,
you have to go to their website and dig to find this
out, since they are too slack to bother to print it on
the packaging in plain sight, saving us "old-style"
folks from using tried and true methods with new
chains. I credit them for sending out chains ready to
ride, but it does no good if we are not informed,
RIGHT SRAM?? ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOUR SOLE SOURCES OF
INCOME????????????? (Yes, you might notice I'm a bit
sensitive about this, having stripped off the gleitmo
coating on my last PC99 chain, and only found out the
correct info during a call to SRAM tech support after
a powerlink failure on a new chain.)

I use a lightly-solvented rag to run across a new chain, to
get the lube off the outside, without dorking up the lub on
the inside. Just try and buy some of that lube - SRAM only
sells it in cases (IIRC), and the per-bottle charge is
really steep. I understand some folks think it's just about
the best chain lube made.

I like my Krytox wax stuff. Really sheds dirt nicely. Needs
frequent re-application, but not too bad, all in all.
--
Jonesy

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D H said:

Actually, on a SRAM chain, the prelube material they
put on it is

called

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gleitmo (sp? I'm too lazy to recheck this) and it is
indeed a lube they

say

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makes it ready to ride, while also providing protection
from corrosion in shipment etc. Anyway, they recommend
you do NOT remove or strip this

coating

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off.

Any lube on the outside of the chain does nothing except
attract grit.
<G> The part of the chain that needs to be lubed is
INSIDE, where the pins run in the rollers.

True enough, and point well taken. I was not tuned in to
your use of the word "wipe" as you intended it, to the
outside only, but I can see now that was your intention,
thus your comment about not LUBING with WD40. On the
other hand, the stuff SRAM puts on their chains does
_not_ attract dirt, as it is a VERY dry coating. It
certainly is not what one would expect a "lube" to feel
or look like, and yet it does _appear_ to be durable and
well penetrated into the rollers. I personally will not
(in the future!) apply ANY lube on a new SRAM chain for
many rides, possibly a month or more, depending on the
conditions. When I do apply lube, it will likely be
WhiteLightning, which I have used almost exclusively for
years, until this winter when I tried to use some other
things: some teflon-based TriFlo spray; then later some
PTFE-based oil lubricant. These worked well in terms of
staying on in wet conditions better, but I can't say
they gave me any better chain behavior than
WhiteLightning has, and WL seems to live up to its
claims of self-cleaning the chain better than any of the
other things I've tried. I think I'm going back to it,
even though it requires more frequent application. It is
so terribly easy to apply, though, that becomes a moot
point. Okay, I have my helmet securely strapped on. Let
the anti-WL folks have at it.

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D H said:

On the other hand, the stuff SRAM puts on their chains
does _not_ attract dirt, as it is a VERY dry coating.
It certainly is not what one would expect a "lube" to
feel or look like, and yet it does _appear_ to be
durable and well penetrated into the rollers.

Cool! I guess I'm not familiar with this stuff. It's
obviously nothing like the goop most new chains come with.
Sometimes I think the goopy stuff is designed to sell more
drivetrain parts. <G>

It almost sounds as if they're applying something like
ProLink at the factory.

Barry

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:15:24 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

Hey there, So this is my second day riding my VT. up to
today it's middle to large ring. I got on some trails and
went to small ring and everytime I put pressure to the gear
the chain went around...... no clue why. this is all new
Raceface.

i'm going to take it back to the shop on Monday and see
what they have to say.

any ideas people?

Thnaks CS

When I rode a geared bike, I did notice that with new chain
rings ([censored] LX) they would get barbs hanging off the
teeth of the new chain rings. I was able to file them down
and rarely ever had problems with chain suck after words. In
my case they just needed to be broken in.

The best way to cure this insidious problem is to go SS.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give an
immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Bill your answer to everything is an SS 🙂 not like that it's a bad thing ot
anything 🙂
Your correct on the gearing 🙂 the ring is so new that the factory hadn't
taken a wire wheel to the berrs on it 🙂 .
my LBS will receve the bike tomorrow. I work up sick this morning🙁 and
it's once again toooo damn cold here🙁

thanks Bill for your knowalage about geared bikes🙂 CS

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 02:15:24 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

Hey there, So this is my second day riding my VT. up to
today it's middle to large ring. I got on some trails and
went to small ring and everytime I put pressure

to

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the gear the chain went around...... no clue why. this is
all new

Raceface.

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i'm going to take it back to the shop on Monday and see
what they have to say.

any ideas people?

Thnaks CS

When I rode a geared bike, I did notice that with new
chain rings ([censored] LX) they would get barbs hanging off
the teeth of the new chain rings. I was able to file them
down and rarely ever had problems with chain suck after
words. In my case they just needed to be broken in.

The best way to cure this insidious problem is to go SS.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should
give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
the world.
:-]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:48:42 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

Bill your answer to everything is an SS 🙂 not like that
it's a bad thing ot anything 🙂

Dang straight. The truth is the truth no matter how many
times I say
it.

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Your correct on the gearing 🙂 the ring is so new that the
factory hadn't taken a wire wheel to the berrs on it 🙂 .
my LBS will receve the bike tomorrow. I work up sick this
morning🙁 and it's once again toooo damn cold here🙁

thanks Bill for your knowalage about geared bikes🙂 CS

Yo CS, you better stop top posting. Sorni might bust out the
NG etiquette on you.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give an
immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

lol 🙂 ok last post. on this thread. So the prob was a
bent/missaligned gear. when we had it up on the stand you
could see it far better. Simple fix and it now works great.
That gear is amazing, I don't think my warp had anything
that low. thanks again 🙂 Cory S

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:48:42 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

Bill your answer to everything is an SS 🙂 not like that
it's a bad thing

ot

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anything 🙂

Dang straight. The truth is the truth no matter how many
times I say
it.

Quoted message said:

Your correct on the gearing 🙂 the ring is so new that
the factory hadn't taken a wire wheel to the berrs on it
🙂 . my LBS will receve the bike tomorrow. I work up sick
this morning🙁 and it's once again toooo damn cold here🙁

thanks Bill for your knowalage about geared bikes🙂 CS

Yo CS, you better stop top posting. Sorni might bust out
the NG etiquette on you.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should
give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
the world.
:-]