Maintenance

Norman Renglich said:

I have been wondering how many points per day a 30 year old
male should be able to eat without gaining weight. I lost
115 lbs in 9.5 months (and hit my target weight) and have
maintained this weight for over a year. I have been eating
exactly 50 points per day for this whole year without going
up. I'm just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
settled at points wise.

I've maintained for about 6 months (not on purpose). I try
to eat about 2000 calories a day, so I guess that 2100-2200
will be my maintenance level. I'm 200 ish and 6'2"

For a 'scientific' estimate - go look at
exrx.netCalRequire.htmlOpen ↗

Of course you'll have estimate the point conversion

Ray
--
rmnsuk
273/199/182

What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?

That sounds like a lot of points but points would
generally be related to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning
on Maintaining at. And clearly the amount of
activity/exercise you do.

The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping your
points till you gain a bit then dropping back. It really
is a trial and error method that each person needs to
figure out.

But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday reading
the paper and watching sports would require fewer points. A
day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike riding
25 miles or whatever would need more points.

But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the year
long Maintenance - that is quite an accomplishment.

Norman Renglich said:

I have been wondering how many points per day a 30 year old
male should be able to eat without gaining weight. I lost
115 lbs in 9.5 months (and hit my target weight) and have
maintained this weight for over a year. I have been eating
exactly 50 points per day for this whole year without going
up. I'm just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
settled at points wise.

Regards, Norman

I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My height
is 5'8" and I weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days
per week @ 7 mph. However, I only started exercising 6
months after I hit my target weight and maintained it at 50
points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far as daily
caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
translates to roughly 42 points) should be my target. Maybe
I'm lucky getting 50 points in.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?

That sounds like a lot of points but points would
generally be related to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning
on Maintaining at. And clearly the amount of
activity/exercise you do.

The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping your
points till you gain a bit then dropping back. It really
is a trial and error method that each person needs to
figure out.

But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday
reading the paper and watching sports would require fewer
points. A day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog,
bike riding 25 miles or whatever would need more points.

But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the year
long Maintenance - that is quite an accomplishment.

Norman Renglich said:

I have been wondering how many points per day a 30 year
old male should

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs in 9.5
months (and hit

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

target weight) and have maintained this weight for over a
year. I have

been

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole year
without going up.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
settled at points

wise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Regards, Norman

Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

If you actually are maintaining at that intake then why mess
with it? I did not realize your point system was so much
different then down here in the states.

I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
what works.

That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you back
off the exercise, back off the food. Up the exercise,
up the food

You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering at
around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
country skiing.

Norman Renglich said:

I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
height is 5'8" and I weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5
days per week @ 7 mph. However, I only started exercising 6
months after I hit my target weight and maintained it at 50
points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far as daily
caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
translates to roughly 42 points) should be my target. Maybe
I'm lucky getting 50 points in.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?

That sounds like a lot of points but points would
generally be related to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are
planning on Maintaining at. And clearly the amount of
activity/exercise you do.

The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping your
points till you gain a bit then dropping back. It really
is a trial and error method that each person needs to
figure out.

But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday
reading the paper and watching sports would require fewer
points. A day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog,
bike riding 25 miles or whatever would need more points.

But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the year
long Maintenance - that is quite an accomplishment.

Norman Renglich said:

I have been wondering how many points per day a 30 year
old male should

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs in
9.5 months (and hit

my

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

target weight) and have maintained this weight for over
a year. I have

been

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole year
without going up.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
settled at points

wise.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Regards, Norman

Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of holding
my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again
(I'm at 152 lbs today) with no change to my points intake.
It's always been steady at 50 points. I have been extremely
strict in how I measure food (everyone I know thinks I'm
completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from meat
portions to chips to ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as
to why it's taken a full year to start climbing again. As of
today I'm going back down to 42 points per day and I'll see
what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect I'll drop a few
pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was really just
eating them because I could.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

If you actually are maintaining at that intake then why
mess with it? I did not realize your point system was so
much different then down here in the states.

I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
what works.

That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you back
off the exercise, back off the food. Up the exercise, up
the food

You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering at
around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
country skiing.

Norman Renglich said:

I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
height is 5'8" and

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week @ 7
mph. However, I only started exercising 6 months after I
hit my target weight and

maintained

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far as
daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
translates to roughly 42

points)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
points in.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?

That sounds like a lot of points but points would
generally be related to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are
planning on Maintaining at. And clearly the amount of
activity/exercise you do.

The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping your
points till you gain a bit then dropping back. It
really is a trial and error method that each person
needs to figure out.

But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday
reading the paper and watching sports would require
fewer points. A day walking the lake, chasing the kids
and dog, bike riding 25 miles or whatever would need
more points.

But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the
year long Maintenance - that is quite an
accomplishment.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I have been wondering how many points per day a 30
>year old male

should

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be

Quoted message said:

>able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs in
>9.5 months (and

hit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my

Quoted message said:

>target weight) and have maintained this weight for
>over a year. I have

been

Quoted message said:

>eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole year
>without going up.

I'm

Quoted message said:

>just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
>settled at points

wise.

Quoted message said:

>
>Regards, Norman
>

Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle mass.
Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than fat.
Another way to determine how things are going would be
dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would make
sense, too. That way you get some other information for
decision making.

Norman Renglich said:

Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of holding
my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again
(I'm at 152 lbs today) with no change to my points intake.
It's always been steady at 50 points. I have been extremely
strict in how I measure food (everyone I know thinks I'm
completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from meat
portions to chips to ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as
to why it's taken a full year to start climbing again. As
of today I'm going back down to 42 points per day and I'll
see what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect I'll drop a
few pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was really
just eating them because I could.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

If you actually are maintaining at that intake then why
mess with it? I did not realize your point system was so
much different then down here in the states.

I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
what works.

That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you back
off the exercise, back off the food. Up the exercise, up
the food

You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering at
around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
country skiing.

Norman Renglich said:

I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
height is 5'8" and

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week @ 7
mph. However, I only started exercising 6 months after I
hit my target weight and

maintained

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far as
daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
translates to roughly 42

points)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
points in.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
>
> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
> generally be related to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are
> planning on Maintaining at. And clearly the amount of
> activity/exercise you do.
>
> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping your
> points till you gain a bit then dropping back. It
> really is a trial and error method that each person
> needs to figure out.
>
> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday
> reading the paper and watching sports would require
> fewer points. A day walking the lake, chasing the kids
> and dog, bike riding 25 miles or whatever would need
> more points.
>
> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the
> year long Maintenance - that is quite an
> accomplishment.
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I have been wondering how many points per day a 30
> >year old male

should

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Quoted message said:

be
> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs in
> >9.5 months (and

hit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my
> >target weight) and have maintained this weight for
> >over a year. I have
been
> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole year
> >without going up.
I'm
> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
> >settled at points
wise.
> >
> >Regards, Norman
> >
>

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm obsessed with finding that magic number
where I don't gain or lose weight. Let's see what happens
two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle mass.
Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than fat.
Another way to determine how things are going would be
dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other information
for decision making.

Norman Renglich said:

Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
holding my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to
creep up again (I'm at 152 lbs today)

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no change to my points intake. It's always been steady at
50 points. I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone I
know thinks I'm completely nuts) and yes, I weigh
everything from meat portions to chips

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's taken
a full year to start climbing again. As of today I'm
going back down to 42 points per

day

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect
I'll drop a few pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because
I was really just eating them because I could.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.

If you actually are maintaining at that intake then why
mess with it? I did not realize your point system was
so much different then down here in the states.

I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
what works.

That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you back
off the exercise, back off the food. Up the exercise,
up the food

You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering
at around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
country skiing.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
>height is 5'8"

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

>weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week @
>7 mph. However,

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>only started exercising 6 months after I hit my target
>weight and

maintained

Quoted message said:

>it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far
>as daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day
>(which translates to roughly 42

points)

Quoted message said:

>should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
>points in.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
>>
>> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
>> generally be

related

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on Maintaining
>> at. And

clearly

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
>>
>> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
>> your points till

you

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a trial
>> and error

method

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> that each person needs to figure out.
>>
>> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish sunday
>> reading the

paper

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
>> day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike
>> riding 25 miles or whatever

would

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Quoted message said:

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>> need more points.
>>
>> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and the
>> year long Maintenance - that is quite an
>> accomplishment.
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
>> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I have been wondering how many points per day a 30
>> >year old male

should

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>be
>> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs
>> >in 9.5 months

(and

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hit

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>my
>> >target weight) and have maintained this weight for
>> >over a year. I

have

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>been
>> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
>> >year without going

up.

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Quoted message said:

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>I'm
>> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
>> >settled at

points

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>wise.
>> >
>> >Regards, Norman
>> >
>>
>

Report back (G)

While there is a lot of science behind weight loss, there
are the variables I've already mentioned and unless you can
be pretty right on about activity points there have to be
daily variations. (Science can probably determine that being
being hooked up to oxygen and other tubes while I hike, bike
or ski will not work) Now with your exercise being pretty
constant, it might be easier to compensate with appropriate
points or calories. I think mine varies (am I giving myself
too much latitude???) enough that I'm not so sure. The fact
that WW suddenly changed the rules to having to use Activity
Points on the day earned goes against my grain.

Another thing to consider, which is something I've been
thinking about
- while losing, I had "fat" stores which the body could and
did use to supplement anything I ate. As I lost weight,
those stores got reduced. WW accounts for that with the
drop in points at the various plateaus. But now when I go
out hiking, I have less of MY OWN supply (of fat) and have
found I need to eat more than I did when losing. Your body
may be adjusting to the exercise, it may now take less
energy to run those miles than it did before as your form
and efficiency improve. That could account somewhat for a
gain??? Total supposition (G)

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm obsessed with finding that magic number
where I don't gain or lose weight. Let's see what happens
two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle mass.
Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than fat.
Another way to determine how things are going would be
dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other information
for decision making.

Norman Renglich said:

Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
holding my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to
creep up again (I'm at 152 lbs today)

with

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

no change to my points intake. It's always been steady
at 50 points. I

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone I
know thinks I'm completely nuts) and yes, I weigh
everything from meat portions to chips

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's taken
a full year to start climbing again. As of today I'm
going back down to 42 points per

day

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect
I'll drop a few pounds. I won't miss the 8 points
because I was really just eating them because I could.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
>
> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
> why mess with it? I did not realize your point system
> was so much different then down here in the states.
>
> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
> food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
> what works.
>
> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
> exercise, up the food
>
> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering
> at around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
> country skiing.
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
> >height is 5'8"

and

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I
> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week
> >@ 7 mph. However,

I

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> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
> >target weight and
maintained
> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far
> >as daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day
> >(which translates to roughly 42
points)
> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
> >points in.
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
> >>
> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
> >> generally be

related

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> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
> >> Maintaining at. And

clearly

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Quoted message said:

> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
> >>
> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
> >> your points till

you

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Quoted message said:

> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a trial
> >> and error

method

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Quoted message said:

> >> that each person needs to figure out.
> >>
> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
> >> sunday reading the

paper

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Quoted message said:

> >> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
> >> day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog,
> >> bike riding 25 miles or whatever

would

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> >> need more points.
> >>
> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
> >> accomplishment.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a 30
> >> >year old male
should
> >be
> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs
> >> >in 9.5 months

(and

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hit
> >my
> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight for
> >> >over a year. I

have

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> >been
> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
> >> >year without going

up.

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> >I'm
> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
> >> >settled at

points

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> >wise.
> >> >
> >> >Regards, Norman
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

What I have been doing is basically eating the exact same
things every day. To most people, that sounds monotonous. I
have planned my meals so that I eat a whole bunch of small
things (nothing more than 4 points each - a lot of which are
deserts) which is how I maintain variety. I never snack and
my last meal is finished by 6:00PM. I absolutely love the
things I eat and there is no sacrifice whatsoever. In fact,
I think I eat a better variety of things I like than I ever
did before.

I'm careful to work in quite a bit of fruit, protein and a
lots of vegetables daily. The way I see it, the only
variable here can be a change in how my body processes
calories and fat over the past year as a result of exercise.
Your explantation is something that had not occured to me. I
guess the easy times may be over and it's time to turn it up
a notch for long term maintenance.

What's truly amazing is how effortless the weight loss has
been. The key for me has been really studying all the foods
at my grocery store. It's like I had to learn the basics of
food from scratch. I really wish more people would give a
serious try at this program because I can't see anyone
failing if they stick with it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Report back (G)

While there is a lot of science behind weight loss, there
are the variables I've already mentioned and unless you
can be pretty right on about activity points there have to
be daily variations. (Science can probably determine that
being being hooked up to oxygen and other tubes while I
hike, bike or ski will not work) Now with your exercise
being pretty constant, it might be easier to compensate
with appropriate points or calories. I think mine varies
(am I giving myself too much latitude???) enough that I'm
not so sure. The fact that WW suddenly changed the rules
to having to use Activity Points on the day earned goes
against my grain.

Another thing to consider, which is something I've been
thinking about
- while losing, I had "fat" stores which the body could
and did use to supplement anything I ate. As I lost
weight, those stores got reduced. WW accounts for that
with the drop in points at the various plateaus. But now
when I go out hiking, I have less of MY OWN supply (of
fat) and have found I need to eat more than I did when
losing. Your body may be adjusting to the exercise, it
may now take less energy to run those miles than it did
before as your form and efficiency improve. That could
account somewhat for a gain??? Total supposition (G)

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm

obsessed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with finding that magic number where I don't gain or lose
weight. Let's

see

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what happens two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle
mass. Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than
fat. Another way to determine how things are going
would be dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other
information for decision making.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:56:41 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
>holding my weight

at

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Quoted message said:

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>about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again (I'm at
>152 lbs today)

with

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>no change to my points intake. It's always been steady
>at 50 points. I

have

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>been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone
>I know thinks

I'm

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Quoted message said:

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>completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from meat
>portions to

chips

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to

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>ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's
>taken a full year

to

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>start climbing again. As of today I'm going back down
>to 42 points per

day

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>and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I
>suspect I'll drop a

few

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Quoted message said:

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>pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was really
>just eating

them

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>because I could.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
>>
>> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
>> why mess with

it?

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>> I did not realize your point system was so much
>> different then down here in the states.
>>
>> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
>> food and

portions

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>> accurately? If so, again, stick with what works.
>>
>> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
>> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
>> exercise, up the food
>>
>> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm
>> hovering at around

160.

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Quoted message said:

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>> I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-country
>> skiing.
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman
>> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system.
>> >My height is

5'8"

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and

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>I
>> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per
>> >week @ 7 mph.

However,

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I

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>> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
>> >target weight and
>maintained
>> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as
>> >far as daily

caloric

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Quoted message said:

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>> >intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
>> >translates to roughly 42
>points)
>> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
>> >points in.
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
>> >>
>> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
>> >> generally be

related

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>> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
>> >> Maintaining at. And

clearly

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>> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
>> >>
>> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
>> >> your points

till

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you

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>> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a
>> >> trial and error

method

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>> >> that each person needs to figure out.
>> >>
>> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
>> >> sunday reading the

paper

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>> >> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
>> >> day walking

the

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>> >> lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike riding 25
>> >> miles or whatever

would

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>> >> need more points.
>> >>
>> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
>> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
>> >> accomplishment.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
>> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a
>> >> >30 year old male
>should
>> >be
>> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115
>> >> >lbs in 9.5 months

(and

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>hit
>> >my
>> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight
>> >> >for over a year.

I

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have

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>> >been
>> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
>> >> >year without

going

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up.

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>> >I'm
>> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers"
>> >> >have settled at

points

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>> >wise.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards, Norman
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Fred,

Remember, your day is long as you want it to be. One of the
adjustments I have had to make to get WW to work for me is
that my day is not dependent on a time frame, but rather
points with a three hour break between days, so what if you
hike on Sat afternoon, and the points day does not end until
say Sunday at eleven am? Lee Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Report back (G)

While there is a lot of science behind weight loss, there
are the variables I've already mentioned and unless you
can be pretty right on about activity points there have to
be daily variations. (Science can probably determine that
being being hooked up to oxygen and other tubes while I
hike, bike or ski will not work) Now with your exercise
being pretty constant, it might be easier to compensate
with appropriate points or calories. I think mine varies
(am I giving myself too much latitude???) enough that I'm
not so sure. The fact that WW suddenly changed the rules
to having to use Activity Points on the day earned goes
against my grain.

Another thing to consider, which is something I've been
thinking about
- while losing, I had "fat" stores which the body could
and did use to supplement anything I ate. As I lost
weight, those stores got reduced. WW accounts for that
with the drop in points at the various plateaus. But now
when I go out hiking, I have less of MY OWN supply (of
fat) and have found I need to eat more than I did when
losing. Your body may be adjusting to the exercise, it
may now take less energy to run those miles than it did
before as your form and efficiency improve. That could
account somewhat for a gain??? Total supposition (G)

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm

obsessed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with finding that magic number where I don't gain or lose
weight. Let's

see

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what happens two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle
mass. Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than
fat. Another way to determine how things are going
would be dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other
information for decision making.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:56:41 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
>holding my weight

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again (I'm at
>152 lbs today)

with

Quoted message said:

>no change to my points intake. It's always been steady
>at 50 points. I

have

Quoted message said:

>been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone
>I know thinks

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from meat
>portions to

chips

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

>ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's
>taken a full year

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>start climbing again. As of today I'm going back down
>to 42 points per

day

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>and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I
>suspect I'll drop a

few

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was really
>just eating

them

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>because I could.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
>>
>> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
>> why mess with

it?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I did not realize your point system was so much
>> different then down here in the states.
>>
>> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
>> food and

portions

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> accurately? If so, again, stick with what works.
>>
>> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
>> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
>> exercise, up the food
>>
>> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm
>> hovering at around

160.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-country
>> skiing.
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman
>> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system.
>> >My height is

5'8"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and

Quoted message said:

>I
>> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per
>> >week @ 7 mph.

However,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I

Quoted message said:

>> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
>> >target weight and
>maintained
>> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as
>> >far as daily

caloric

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> >intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
>> >translates to roughly 42
>points)
>> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
>> >points in.
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
>> >>
>> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
>> >> generally be

related

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>> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
>> >> Maintaining at. And

clearly

Quoted message said:

>> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
>> >>
>> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
>> >> your points

till

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you

Quoted message said:

>> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a
>> >> trial and error

method

Quoted message said:

>> >> that each person needs to figure out.
>> >>
>> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
>> >> sunday reading the

paper

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>> >> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
>> >> day walking

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> >> lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike riding 25
>> >> miles or whatever

would

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>> >> need more points.
>> >>
>> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
>> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
>> >> accomplishment.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
>> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a
>> >> >30 year old male
>should
>> >be
>> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115
>> >> >lbs in 9.5 months

(and

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>hit
>> >my
>> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight
>> >> >for over a year.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have

Quoted message said:

>> >been
>> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
>> >> >year without

going

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

up.

Quoted message said:

>> >I'm
>> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers"
>> >> >have settled at

points

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>> >wise.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards, Norman
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

Hi, Hang in there. If you are happy with your food, don't
change it but be prepared for when you do need to change. I
have been with WW for almost 6 years and I couldn't continue
if I eat the same thing day after day. Variety is the best
thing about WW. I think it surprises a lot of people when
they do the program.

--
Take Care Catherine
154/133.6/136 Lifetime 6/99 Next personal goal 132

"Norman Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

What I have been doing is basically eating the exact same
things every

day.

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To most people, that sounds monotonous. I have planned my
meals so that I eat a whole bunch of small things (nothing
more than 4 points each - a lot of which are deserts)
which is how I maintain variety. I never snack and

my

Quoted message said:

last meal is finished by 6:00PM. I absolutely love the
things I eat and there is no sacrifice whatsoever. In
fact, I think I eat a better variety

of

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things I like than I ever did before.

I'm careful to work in quite a bit of fruit, protein and a
lots of vegetables daily. The way I see it, the only
variable here can be a change in how my body processes
calories and fat over the past year as a result

of

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exercise. Your explantation is something that had not
occured to me. I

guess

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the easy times may be over and it's time to turn it up a
notch for long

term

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maintenance.

What's truly amazing is how effortless the weight loss has
been. The key

for

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me has been really studying all the foods at my grocery
store. It's like I had to learn the basics of food from
scratch. I really wish more people would give a serious
try at this program because I can't see anyone

failing

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if they stick with it.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Report back (G)

While there is a lot of science behind weight loss,
there are the variables I've already mentioned and
unless you can be pretty right on about activity points
there have to be daily variations. (Science can probably
determine that being being hooked up to oxygen and other
tubes while I hike, bike or ski will not work) Now with
your exercise being pretty constant, it might be easier
to compensate with appropriate points or calories. I
think mine varies (am I giving myself too much
latitude???) enough that I'm not so sure. The fact that
WW suddenly changed the rules to having to use Activity
Points on the day earned goes against my grain.

Another thing to consider, which is something I've been
thinking about
- while losing, I had "fat" stores which the body could
and did use to supplement anything I ate. As I lost
weight, those stores got reduced. WW accounts for that
with the drop in points at the various plateaus. But
now when I go out hiking, I have less of MY OWN supply
(of fat) and have found I need to eat more than I did
when losing. Your body may be adjusting to the
exercise, it may now take less energy to run those
miles than it did before as your form and efficiency
improve. That could account somewhat for a gain???
Total supposition (G)

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm

obsessed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with finding that magic number where I don't gain or
lose weight. Let's

see

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what happens two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Well, you did say that you did not take up the
> exercise immediately. Might it be that you have added
> muscle mass. Muscle is more weighty but also more
> compact than fat. Another way to determine how things
> are going would be dimensions, or waist, etc
> measurements.
>
> But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes
> would make sense, too. That way you get some other
> information for decision making.
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:56:41 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
> >holding my weight

at

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Quoted message said:

> >about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again (I'm
> >at 152 lbs

today)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with
> >no change to my points intake. It's always been
> >steady at 50 points.

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have
> >been extremely strict in how I measure food
> >(everyone I know thinks

I'm

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Quoted message said:

> >completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from
> >meat portions to

chips

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to
> >ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's
> >taken a full year

to

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Quoted message said:

> >start climbing again. As of today I'm going back
> >down to 42 points

per

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

day
> >and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I
> >suspect I'll drop a

few

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Quoted message said:

> >pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was
> >really just eating

them

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >because I could.
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix
> >> it.
> >>
> >> If you actually are maintaining at that intake
> >> then why mess with

it?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> I did not realize your point system was so much
> >> different then

down

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> here in the states.
> >>
> >> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing
> >> the food and

portions

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >> accurately? If so, again, stick with what works.
> >>
> >> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
> >> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
> >> exercise, up the food
> >>
> >> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm
> >> hovering at around

160.

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Quoted message said:

> >> I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
> >> country skiing.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman
> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points
> >> >system. My height is

5'8"

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Quoted message said:

and
> >I
> >> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per
> >> >week @ 7 mph.

However,

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Quoted message said:

I
> >> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
> >> >target weight and
> >maintained
> >> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as
> >> >far as daily

caloric

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Quoted message said:

> >> >intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
> >> >translates to roughly

42

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Quoted message said:

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> >points)
> >> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
> >> >points in.
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >message news:hnkr505t1emlacgkk14h7ai1u4qogse6fc@-
> >> >4ax.com...
> >> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe,
> >> >> other?
> >> >>
> >> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points
> >> >> would generally be
related
> >> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
> >> >> Maintaining at. And
clearly
> >> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try
> >> >> upping your points

till

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you
> >> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a
> >> >> trial and error
method
> >> >> that each person needs to figure out.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
> >> >> sunday reading

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

paper
> >> >> and watching sports would require fewer points.
> >> >> A day walking

the

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Quoted message said:

> >> >> lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike riding 25
> >> >> miles or

whatever

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

would
> >> >> need more points.
> >> >>
> >> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss
> >> >> and the year long Maintenance - that is quite
> >> >> an accomplishment.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
> >> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day
> >> >> >a 30 year old

male

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >should
> >> >be
> >> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115
> >> >> >lbs in 9.5

months

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(and
> >hit
> >> >my
> >> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight
> >> >> >for over a

year.

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I

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Quoted message said:

have
> >> >been
> >> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this
> >> >> >whole year without

going

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up.
> >> >I'm
> >> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers"
> >> >> >have settled at
points
> >> >wise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regards, Norman
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

That could be a way to handle it. But I just don't worry
about it. I never did adopt flex points which worked because
I was already on maintenance where I just need to figure out
what I need for whatever happens that day.

Miss Violette said:

Fred,

Remember, your day is long as you want it to be. One of the
adjustments I have had to make to get WW to work for me is
that my day is not dependent on a time frame, but rather
points with a three hour break between days, so what if you
hike on Sat afternoon, and the points day does not end
until say Sunday at eleven am? Lee Fred
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Report back (G)

While there is a lot of science behind weight loss, there
are the variables I've already mentioned and unless you
can be pretty right on about activity points there have
to be daily variations. (Science can probably determine
that being being hooked up to oxygen and other tubes
while I hike, bike or ski will not work) Now with your
exercise being pretty constant, it might be easier to
compensate with appropriate points or calories. I think
mine varies (am I giving myself too much latitude???)
enough that I'm not so sure. The fact that WW suddenly
changed the rules to having to use Activity Points on the
day earned goes against my grain.

Another thing to consider, which is something I've been
thinking about
- while losing, I had "fat" stores which the body could
and did use to supplement anything I ate. As I lost
weight, those stores got reduced. WW accounts for that
with the drop in points at the various plateaus. But
now when I go out hiking, I have less of MY OWN supply
(of fat) and have found I need to eat more than I did
when losing. Your body may be adjusting to the
exercise, it may now take less energy to run those
miles than it did before as your form and efficiency
improve. That could account somewhat for a gain???
Total supposition (G)

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm

obsessed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with finding that magic number where I don't gain or
lose weight. Let's

see

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

what happens two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Well, you did say that you did not take up the
> exercise immediately. Might it be that you have added
> muscle mass. Muscle is more weighty but also more
> compact than fat. Another way to determine how things
> are going would be dimensions, or waist, etc
> measurements.
>
> But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
> make sense, too. That way you get some other
> information for decision making.
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:56:41 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
> >holding my weight

at

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >about 145 lbs, it's starting to creep up again (I'm
> >at 152 lbs today)
with
> >no change to my points intake. It's always been
> >steady at 50 points. I
have
> >been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone
> >I know thinks

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >completely nuts) and yes, I weigh everything from
> >meat portions to

chips

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to
> >ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's
> >taken a full year

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> >start climbing again. As of today I'm going back down
> >to 42 points per
day
> >and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I
> >suspect I'll drop a

few

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> >pounds. I won't miss the 8 points because I was
> >really just eating

them

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> >because I could.
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix
> >> it.
> >>
> >> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
> >> why mess with

it?

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> >> I did not realize your point system was so much
> >> different then down here in the states.
> >>
> >> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing
> >> the food and

portions

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> >> accurately? If so, again, stick with what works.
> >>
> >> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
> >> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
> >> exercise, up the food
> >>
> >> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm
> >> hovering at around

160.

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> >> I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-country
> >> skiing.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman
> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system.
> >> >My height is

5'8"

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and
> >I
> >> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per
> >> >week @ 7 mph.

However,

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I
> >> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
> >> >target weight and
> >maintained
> >> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as
> >> >far as daily

caloric

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> >> >intake tells me around 2500 per day (which
> >> >translates to roughly 42
> >points)
> >> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
> >> >points in.
> >> >
> >> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >> >message news:hnkr505t1emlacgkk14h7ai1u4qogse6fc@4-
> >> >ax.com...
> >> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe,
> >> >> other?
> >> >>
> >> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points
> >> >> would generally be
related
> >> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
> >> >> Maintaining at. And
clearly
> >> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try
> >> >> upping your points

till

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you
> >> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a
> >> >> trial and error
method
> >> >> that each person needs to figure out.
> >> >>
> >> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
> >> >> sunday reading the
paper
> >> >> and watching sports would require fewer points.
> >> >> A day walking

the

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> >> >> lake, chasing the kids and dog, bike riding 25
> >> >> miles or whatever
would
> >> >> need more points.
> >> >>
> >> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
> >> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
> >> >> accomplishment.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
> >> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a
> >> >> >30 year old male
> >should
> >> >be
> >> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115
> >> >> >lbs in 9.5 months
(and
> >hit
> >> >my
> >> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight
> >> >> >for over a year.

I

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have
> >> >been
> >> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
> >> >> >year without

going

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up.
> >> >I'm
> >> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers"
> >> >> >have settled at
points
> >> >wise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Regards, Norman
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

See! There are others that are looking for that magical
mystical number. It's NOT just me. <G> I've spent close to a
year looking for it, still haven't got a clue. Like Fred, I
don't think one exists - as our routines change daily.

Joyce

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm obsessed with finding that magic number
where I don't gain or lose weight. Let's see what happens
two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle mass.
Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than fat.
Another way to determine how things are going would be
dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other information
for decision making.

Norman Renglich said:

Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
holding my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to
creep up again (I'm at 152 lbs today)

with

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no change to my points intake. It's always been steady
at 50 points. I

have

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been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone I
know thinks I'm completely nuts) and yes, I weigh
everything from meat portions to chips

to

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ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's taken
a full year to start climbing again. As of today I'm
going back down to 42 points per

day

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and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect
I'll drop a few pounds. I won't miss the 8 points
because I was really just eating them because I could.

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
>
> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
> why mess with it? I did not realize your point system
> was so much different then down here in the states.
>
> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
> food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick with
> what works.
>
> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
> exercise, up the food
>
> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm hovering
> at around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior hiking/biking/x-
> country skiing.
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system. My
> >height is 5'8"

and

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I
> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week
> >@ 7 mph. However,

I

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> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
> >target weight and
maintained
> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as far
> >as daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per day
> >(which translates to roughly 42
points)
> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
> >points in.
> >
> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >"]news:[email hidden]...
> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
> >>
> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
> >> generally be

related

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> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
> >> Maintaining at. And

clearly

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> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
> >>
> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
> >> your points till

you

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> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a trial
> >> and error

method

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> >> that each person needs to figure out.
> >>
> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
> >> sunday reading the

paper

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> >> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
> >> day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog,
> >> bike riding 25 miles or whatever

would

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> >> need more points.
> >>
> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
> >> accomplishment.
> >>
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a 30
> >> >year old male
should
> >be
> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115 lbs
> >> >in 9.5 months

(and

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hit
> >my
> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight for
> >> >over a year. I

have

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> >been
> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
> >> >year without going

up.

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> >I'm
> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers" have
> >> >settled at

points

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> >wise.
> >> >
> >> >Regards, Norman
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

You said it much more succiently than I did. There is no
magic number. You just need to magically match the number in
with the number expended and that changes each day - or at
least unless you adopt a stagnant lifestyle

Joyce said:

See! There are others that are looking for that magical
mystical number. It's NOT just me. <G> I've spent close to
a year looking for it, still haven't got a clue. Like Fred,
I don't think one exists - as our routines change daily.

Joyce

Norman Renglich said:

I've been treating this weight loss as a scientific
expirement. I'm obsessed with finding that magic number
where I don't gain or lose weight. Let's see what happens
two weeks from now!

"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, you did say that you did not take up the exercise
immediately. Might it be that you have added muscle
mass. Muscle is more weighty but also more compact than
fat. Another way to determine how things are going would
be dimensions, or waist, etc measurements.

But, yes, dropping points and seeing how it goes would
make sense, too. That way you get some other information
for decision making.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:56:41 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Actually, what I'm finding is that after a year of
>holding my weight at about 145 lbs, it's starting to
>creep up again (I'm at 152 lbs today)

with

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>no change to my points intake. It's always been steady
>at 50 points. I

have

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>been extremely strict in how I measure food (everyone I
>know thinks I'm completely nuts) and yes, I weigh
>everything from meat portions to chips

to

Quoted message said:

>ice cream, etc. I'm just suspicious as to why it's
>taken a full year to start climbing again. As of today
>I'm going back down to 42 points per

day

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>and I'll see what the results are in 2 weeks. I suspect
>I'll drop a few pounds. I won't miss the 8 points
>because I was really just eating them because I could.
>
>"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>"]news:[email hidden]...
>> Well, as they say: If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
>>
>> If you actually are maintaining at that intake then
>> why mess with it? I did not realize your point system
>> was so much different then down here in the states.
>>
>> I guess I could ask - are you measuring/weighing the
>> food and portions accurately? If so, again, stick
>> with what works.
>>
>> That's pretty good exercise. Just remember, if you
>> back off the exercise, back off the food. Up the
>> exercise, up the food
>>
>> You're my height but about half my age!!! I'm
>> hovering at around 160. I do mostly weekend warrior
>> hiking/biking/x-country skiing.
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:28:38 -0500, "Norman Renglich"
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm on the Canadian weight watchers points system.
>> >My height is 5'8"

and

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>I
>> >weigh 151 lbs. I run 3 miles per day 5 days per week
>> >@ 7 mph. However,

I

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>> >only started exercising 6 months after I hit my
>> >target weight and
>maintained
>> >it at 50 points per day. Everything I'm seeing as
>> >far as daily caloric intake tells me around 2500 per
>> >day (which translates to roughly 42
>points)
>> >should be my target. Maybe I'm lucky getting 50
>> >points in.
>> >
>> >"Fred" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >"]news:[email hidden]...
>> >> What points system are you on? US, Europe, other?
>> >>
>> >> That sounds like a lot of points but points would
>> >> generally be

related

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>> >> to HEIGHT and WEIGHT you are planning on
>> >> Maintaining at. And

clearly

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>> >> the amount of activity/exercise you do.
>> >>
>> >> The idea when reaching goal is to then try upping
>> >> your points till

you

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>> >> gain a bit then dropping back. It really is a
>> >> trial and error

method

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>> >> that each person needs to figure out.
>> >>
>> >> But it still would vary somewhat - A sluggish
>> >> sunday reading the

paper

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>> >> and watching sports would require fewer points. A
>> >> day walking the lake, chasing the kids and dog,
>> >> bike riding 25 miles or whatever

would

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>> >> need more points.
>> >>
>> >> But nonetheless, Congratulations on the loss and
>> >> the year long Maintenance - that is quite an
>> >> accomplishment.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:43:02 -0500, "Norman
>> >> Renglich" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I have been wondering how many points per day a
>> >> >30 year old male
>should
>> >be
>> >> >able to eat without gaining weight. I lost 115
>> >> >lbs in 9.5 months

(and

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>hit
>> >my
>> >> >target weight) and have maintained this weight
>> >> >for over a year. I

have

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>> >been
>> >> >eating exactly 50 points per day for this whole
>> >> >year without going

up.

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>> >I'm
>> >> >just curious to hear what other "maintainers"
>> >> >have settled at

points

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>> >wise.
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards, Norman
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>