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Dr. Chung FAQ, Issue 3.70

A . B . Chung F · 2004-03-22T11:20:50+00:00

--------------------------------- | The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ | | Version 3.70, March, 2004 | --------------------------------- Introduction ------------ New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled and troubled by the vitriol directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD (Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for the hatred that some folks have for him. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some truthful answers (there are versions of this FAQ put out by detractors that are useful only for comparison purposes). All answers given herein can be independently verified either via Google or by using the third-party resources at http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp. This FAQ has been posted in the past in a manner that permits authentication. The veracity of both the posting email address and domain name can be independently confirmed via Google (http://makeashorterlink.com/?G5EF42A77). The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions followed by simple answers. For those who don't wish to read the whole FAQ, the following summary is provided. Summary ------- Ds. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is board-certified in internal medicine and cardiology (cardiovascular medicine). In this capacity, he responds truthfully to medical questions on s.m.c. He does this out of sincere altruism when he has spare time outside his private cardiology practice, where he sees patients as a cardiologist. If that was all he were, there would probably be no controversy. The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being Christian, in particular: o He continues to publicly profess that Christ is his Lord and Savior. o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic Christian fashion (http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp). o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other cheek in a Christian manner. o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses steadfastly without hatred (http://makeashorterlink.com/?A5B9214A7). o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it a blessing. o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being libeled and defamed (http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp). o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith in Christ. The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian behavior on s.m.c. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified in the Google archives. He witnesses to all at http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp. People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has graciously provided this over several years (http://makeashorterlink.com/?H10A13167). Dr. Chung consistently demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and experience. This is archived many times over in Google. List of Questions Answered -------------------------- 1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD? 2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.? 3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter? 4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that? 5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature. 6. But I'm a Christian Too! 7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature? 8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness of his heart? 9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend on Usenet? 10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away? 11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge Dr. Chung? 12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks? 13. I'm sick of seeing all this! 14. What is the Two Pound Diet? 15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"? 16. Who is Mu? 17. What is Mu's role? 18. Who is Steve? 19. What is Steve's role? 20. Who is Bob? 21. What is Bob's role? 22. Who is Stephen? 23. What is Stephen's role? 24. Is this spam? 25. Who is the author of this FAQ? 26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as some allege? 27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as some allege? 28. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD? ------------------------------------- Dt. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board- certified cardiologist practicing cardiovascular medicine in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. His signature contains a link to http://www.heartmdphd.com, which is consistent with his posts and qualifications. 2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.? --------------------------------- The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for communication between health care providers, scientists and other individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions. The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems." (ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.me- d.cardiology) 3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter? ------------------------------------------------------- They are if these discussions represent "communication between health care providers, scientists and other individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field." It should be noted that Christ remains a healthcare provider (http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp), who has demonstrated an interest in the cardiovascular field when He "resuscitated" Lazarus. 4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that? ------------------------------------------------------------ - Some people are fiercely anti-christian. 5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian. 6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry? ------------------------------------------- No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the unimaginable riches of God's kingdom. 7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature? -------------------------------------------------- Anti-christians are unable to do that. 8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical information out of the goodness of his heart? ---------------------------------------------------------- God is wonderful. 9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend on Usenet? ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- God makes time for those whom He blesses. 10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away? -------------------------------------------------- Do not concern yourself with the free will of others. 11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who challenge Dr. Chung? ------------------------------------------------------------ -- God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are according to His will. 12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks? ---------------------------------------------- This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can be culled from His flock. 13. I'm sick of seeing all this! ------------------------------- Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?" 14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach? ---------------------------------------------- See: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp 15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"? --------------------------------------------------- Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which is a condition that leads to higher rates of cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. 16. Who is Mu? -------------- A Christian (http://makeashorterlink.com/?S5A631E57). 17. What is Mu's role? ---------------------- To serve God's will and purpose. 18. Who is Steve? ----------------- An anti-christian (http://makeashorterlink.com/?A20055A37). He authors the untrue versions of this FAQ (http://makeashorterlink.com/?S10252097). 19. What is Steve's role? ------------------------- To serve God's will and purpose. 20. Who is Bob? --------------- A food worshipper (http://makeashorterlink.com/?T48662E57). He is obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach (http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp). He is also obsessed with this FAQ (http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2C134097) and can be seen writing to himself about it. 21. What is Bob's role? ----------------------- To serve God's will and purpose. 22. Who is Stephen? ------------------- An anti-christian Jew who believes that "Jesus is no more the Messiah than Elvis Presley" (http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1B623B67). He is so taken with Dr. Chung's Christian beliefs that he is now a cyberstalker (http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y25611B67) by his own admitted actions. In his continued cyberstalking of Dr. Chung, he has learned that Dr. Chung has a long history of reporting those who would willfully trespass against others (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V28141097). A few words to the wise can be found at http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp in this regard. 23. What is Stephen's role? --------------------------- To serve God's will and purpose. 24. Is this spam? ----------------- No, this is a FAQ. 25. Who is the author of this FAQ? ---------------------------------- There are multiple contributors and they choose to remain anonymous although they respect Dr. Chung's choice not to be anonymous. 26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as some allege? ----------------------------------------------------------- ---------- No. Spam on Usenet are stand-alone advertisements and not unique responses to the posts of others. 27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as some allege? ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- No. Mu, John, CarolT, and Andrew are 4 distinctly different Christian individuals. Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement via [email hidden].

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A . B . Chung F
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22 March 2004, 11:20 UTC #1

---------------------------------
| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 3.70, March, 2004 |
---------------------------------
Introduction
------------
New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often
puzzled and troubled by the vitriol directed at Dr. Andrew
B. Chung, MD/PhD
(Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for
the hatred that some folks have for him. This FAQ
(Frequently Asked Questions) does provide some truthful
answers (there are versions of this FAQ put out by
detractors that are useful only for comparison
purposes). All answers given herein can be
independently verified either via Google or by using
the third-party resources at
heartmdphd.comprofile.asp. This FAQ has
been posted in the past in a manner that permits
authentication. The veracity of both the posting email
address and domain name can be independently confirmed
via Google (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series
of questions followed by simple answers. For those who
don't wish to read the whole FAQ, the following summary
is provided.
Summary
-------
Ds. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is
board-certified in internal medicine and cardiology
(cardiovascular medicine). In this capacity, he responds
truthfully to medical questions on s.m.c. He does this
out of sincere altruism when he has spare time outside
his private cardiology practice, where he sees patients
as a cardiologist. If that was all he were, there would
probably be no controversy.
The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being Christian, in
particular:
o He continues to publicly profess that Christ is his Lord
and Savior.
o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic
Christian fashion (heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp).
o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other
cheek in a Christian manner.
o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses
steadfastly without hatred
(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it
a blessing.
o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being
libeled and defamed (heartmdphd.comlibel.asp).
o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith
in Christ.
The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian
behavior on s.m.c. If anything, it understates it.
Everything can be verified in the Google archives. He
witnesses to all at heartmdphd.comhealer.asp.
People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has
graciously provided this over several years
(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). Dr. Chung
consistently demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and
experience. This is archived many times over in Google.
List of Questions Answered
--------------------------
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD?
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter?
4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem
with that?
5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature.
6. But I'm a Christian Too!
7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free
medical information out of the goodness of his heart?
9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend
on Usenet?
10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those
who challenge Dr. Chung?
12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
16. Who is Mu?
17. What is Mu's role?
18. Who is Steve?
19. What is Steve's role?
20. Who is Bob?
21. What is Bob's role?
22. Who is Stephen?
23. What is Stephen's role?
24. Is this spam?
25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as
some allege?
27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as
some allege?
28. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
-------------------------------------
Dt. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board-
certified cardiologist practicing cardiovascular
medicine in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. His signature
contains a link to heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com, which is
consistent with his posts and qualifications.
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
---------------------------------
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic
media for communication between health care providers,
scientists and other individuals with interest in the
cardiovascular field. Such communications will provide quick
and efficacious means to exchange information and knowledge,
and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants
who are health care providers, trainees, researchers,
students or recipients with interest in the field of
cardiovascular problems."
(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.me-
d.cardiology)
3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter?
-------------------------------------------------------
They are if these discussions represent "communication
between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field." It
should be noted that Christ remains a healthcare provider
(heartmdphd.comhealer.asp), who has demonstrated
an interest in the cardiovascular field when He
"resuscitated" Lazarus.
4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem
with that?
------------------------------------------------------------
-
Some people are fiercely anti-christian.
5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his
signature, isn't it?
------------------------------------------------------
----------
Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian.
6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry?
-------------------------------------------
No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the
unimaginable riches of God's kingdom.
7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
--------------------------------------------------
Anti-christians are unable to do that.
8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free
medical information out of the goodness of his heart?
----------------------------------------------------------
God is wonderful.
9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend
on Usenet?
------------------------------------------------------
----------
God makes time for those whom He blesses.
10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
--------------------------------------------------
Do not concern yourself with the free will of others.
11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those
who challenge Dr. Chung?
------------------------------------------------------------
--
God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are
according to His will.
12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
----------------------------------------------
This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can
be culled from His flock.
13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
-------------------------------
Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?"
14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach?
----------------------------------------------
See: heartmdphd.comwtloss.asp
15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
---------------------------------------------------
Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which is a condition
that leads to higher rates of cardiovascular morbidity and
mortality.
16. Who is Mu?
--------------
A Christian (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
17. What is Mu's role?
----------------------
To serve God's will and purpose.
18. Who is Steve?
-----------------
An anti-christian (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
He authors the untrue versions of this FAQ
(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
19. What is Steve's role?
-------------------------
To serve God's will and purpose.
20. Who is Bob?
---------------
A food worshipper (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com).
He is obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach
(heartmdphd.comlibel.asp). He is also obsessed
with this FAQ (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) and
can be seen writing to himself about it.
21. What is Bob's role?
-----------------------
To serve God's will and purpose.
22. Who is Stephen?
-------------------
An anti-christian Jew who believes that "Jesus is no more
the Messiah than Elvis Presley"
(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). He is so taken
with Dr. Chung's Christian beliefs that he is now a
cyberstalker (makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com) by his
own admitted actions. In his continued cyberstalking of Dr.
Chung, he has learned that Dr. Chung has a long history of
reporting those who would willfully trespass against others
(makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com). A few words to the
wise can be found at heartmdphd.comstalking.asp
in this regard.
23. What is Stephen's role?
---------------------------
To serve God's will and purpose.
24. Is this spam?
-----------------
No, this is a FAQ.
25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
----------------------------------
There are multiple contributors and they choose to remain
anonymous although they respect Dr. Chung's choice not to be
anonymous.
26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as
some allege?
-----------------------------------------------------------
----------
No. Spam on Usenet are stand-alone advertisements and not
unique responses to the posts of others.
27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as
some allege?
------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
No. Mu, John, CarolT, and Andrew are 4 distinctly different
Christian individuals.
Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under
advisement via [email hidden].

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Stephen Nagler
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22 March 2004, 13:52 UTC #2

You poor guy.
smn

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Liam
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22 March 2004, 15:33 UTC #3

Quoted message said:
You poor guy.
??

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Dr. Andrew B. C
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22 March 2004, 16:04 UTC #4

liam said:
Quoted message said:
You poor guy.
??
In a word: obsession.
The poor guy remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.
May he someday accept Christ as his Lord and Savior so that
his obsessions might be eventually cured.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com
What is all this about?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com
Is this spam?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

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Bob
Archived post

22 March 2004, 19:53 UTC #5

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:
liam said:
Quoted message said:
You poor guy.
??
In a word: obsession.
The obsession appears to be Chung's, Liam. Who else but an
obsessed fraud would be so eager and willing to protest his
victimized innocence and proclaim his moral superiority so
often and so transparently?
Chung's medical advice and treatment suggestions
notwithstanding, his rather phenomenal vanity (all the while
describing himself to be humble) demands his relentless
posturing. His demonstrated dishonesty and his constant
desire for "victory" when confronting even the most trivial
disagreement makes him post whatever he thinks will gain him
the "win." He has posted statements that are wrong-headed
enough to cause questions about his mental stability. Google
his comments about "potatoes" "calories in 2 pounds" to see
him at his baffling worst. He posted a mistaken number
that's utterly off the mark and has stubbornly insisted it's
a good way to look at it. He's obsessed with never appearing
to make a mistake. ONe time he asserted that I'd never
posted anything biblical. When I showed him that I had, and
not only that, but that I'd posted it in rely to him, he
said he hadn't noticed it and that I didn't start the
thread. Trying to weasel his way out of the responsibility
for having made a trivial error. Even something that small
causes him to bluster and waffle. All the while posting his
cryptic non sequiturs about dishonest people being unable to
answer yes-no questions and dishonest people never answering
direct questions... Obsessed with his never being wrong
about anything. Ever. Period.
So, Poor Guy fits all too well.
And it's a pity to waste all those years of study and all
those potential good things he could do. But, as he likes to
say, he has free will. And for him to have chosen a dark
path is his own choice.
Bob

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terri231
Archived post

23 March 2004, 22:37 UTC #6

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:07:17 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
You poor guy.
smn
Poor Stephen.
Terri
pub219.ezboard.combtinnitusactivismandsupport

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Carol T
Archived post

24 March 2004, 12:37 UTC #7

"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to
have chosen a dark path is his own choice."
What of your own potential?
"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of
the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but
have the light of life." NKJ John 8:12
Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use God's
Word as the oil in your lamp and let your own light shine
brightly for the good of all others. I pray this for you.
Carol T
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
KJ Gen 1:3

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Matti Narkia
Archived post

24 March 2004, 13:37 UTC #8

24 Mar 2004 04:36:38 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden]
(Carol T) said:
"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to
have chosen a dark path is his own choice."
What of your own potential?
"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of
the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness,
but have the light of life." NKJ John 8:12
Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use
God's Word as the oil in your lamp and let your own
light shine brightly for the good of all others. I pray
this for you.

Carol T, your post violates this group's charter. Please
read the charter for example from
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med-
.cardiology
"CHARTER, as submitted by the proponent
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic
media for communication between health care providers,
scientists and other individuals with interest in the
cardiovascular field. Such communications will provide
quick and efficacious means to exchange information and
knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome
participants who are health care providers, trainees,
researchers, students or recipients with interest in the
field of cardiovascular problems."
Follow-ups set appropriately.
--
Matti Narkia

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Dr. Andrew B. C
Archived post

24 March 2004, 15:51 UTC #9

Carol T said:
"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to
have chosen a dark path is his own choice."
What of your own potential?
"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light
of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in
darkness, but have the light of life." NKJ John 8:12
Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use
God's Word as the oil in your lamp and let your own light
shine brightly for the good of all others. I pray this
for you.
Carol T
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
KJ Gen 1:3
Amen.
May God continue to bless you and yours in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com
What is all this about?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com
Is this spam?
makeashorterlink.commakeashorterlink.com

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Bob
Archived post

24 March 2004, 17:37 UTC #10

Matti Narkia wrote:
Matti, apologies for changing the reply to settings. This
will be the last of its kind.
Quoted message said:
24 Mar 2004 04:36:38 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]>
(Carol T) said:
"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to
have chosen a dark path is his own choice."
What of your own potential?
[censored] non sequitur, as usual.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light
of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in
darkness, but have the light of life." NKJ John 8:12
Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use
God's Word as the oil in your lamp and let your own light
shine brightly for the good of all others. I pray this
for you.
Carol, the only reason I saw this post from you is because
it was quoted. You are in my killfile and will stay there.
You are a sanctimonious lightweight, devoid of ethical and
moral righteousness. That you presume to lecture people on
how to live while ignoring the vile and vindictive actions
of your fellow "cardboard christians" speaks all the volumes
necessary.
You confuse florid flights of nonsense analogies,
metaphors and similes with content. You confuse sheer
volume with communication. You confuse your religious
frenzy with reality.
As long as you blather your nonsense at Chung's targets and
not Chung, you have no moral standing; you have no
intellectual standing. Chung congratulates you for your
stands when what he's really doing is smugly sitting on the
sidelines while you offer support to his corruption. You
demonstrate the very worst in "christian" behavior. You show
the benchmark in self-absorbed, true-believer, fanatical
relentlessness. You can't even imagine that you're doing
damage rather than good. You can't imagine anything but what
you rigidly believe. Sad, really. As though what you believe
has any reality for anyone but you.
Bob

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Carol T
Archived post

24 March 2004, 22:22 UTC #11

Matti Narkia <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions.<<<<<<<
And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when
the solutions have caused problems :o)
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our
heart, and knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20
Carol T

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Matti Narkia
Archived post

24 March 2004, 22:22 UTC #12

24 Mar 2004 14:13:50 -0800 in article
<[email hidden]> [email hidden]
(Carol T) said:
Matti Narkia <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions.<<<<<<<
And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when
the solutions have caused problems :o)
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our
heart, and knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20

Follow-ups returned to the proper group.
--
Matti Narkia

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Dr. Andrew B. C
Archived post

24 March 2004, 22:22 UTC #13

Carol T said:
Matti Narkia <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions.<<<<<<<
And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when
the solutions have caused problems :o)
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our
heart, and knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20
And this is the most likely explanation for why Matti is
so fearful.
Wonder what is in Matti's heart.
Poor guy.
He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.
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Bob
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25 March 2004, 03:06 UTC #14

Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:
Carol T said:
Matti Narkia <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions.<<<<<<<
And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when
the solutions have caused problems :o)
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our
heart, and knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20

And this is the most likely explanation for why Matti is
so fearful.
And posts like this are why Chung is a full-scale
mountebank. And it also shows how Chung uses the
delightfully airheaded if not very bright Carol to further
his insane agenda of asserting his superiority while all the
while denying the intent. Chung is a liar, a fraud, a quack
and a charlatan who will swear to anything, no matter how
phony, to conquer what he sees as his adversaries, even to
swearing out false complaints with civil and professional
authorities.
Quoted message said:
Wonder what is in Matti's heart.
Likely, a clearly demonstrated desire to be constructive and
helpful by offering information arrived at by intelligent
science rather than the baseless opinions of the gullible
Chung who believes there was actually a full-on global
flood, proof be damned.
And it's also easy to say that Matti's heart doesn't bear
the smug, vindictive malice that's in Chung's. Any more
questions...?
Bob

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Stephen Nagler
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25 March 2004, 03:46 UTC #15

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:36 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>
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Any more questions...?
..............
Yes.
Why was Dr. Chung's contract at a Florida cardiology clinic
terminated *for cause* after less than four months of
employment?
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Bob
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25 March 2004, 04:28 UTC #16

Stephen Nagler said:
Bob (this one) said:
Any more questions...?
Quoted message said:
Yes.
Why was Dr. Chung's contract at a Florida cardiology
clinic terminated *for cause* after less than four months
of employment?
Isn't there supposed to be music playing while I consider
the answer...?
Could it be for substandard care?
Did I win?
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Stephen Nagler
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25 March 2004, 05:08 UTC #17

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:37:43 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:
Isn't there supposed to be music playing while I consider
the answer...?
..............
"Taps" perhaps?
................
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Could it be for substandard care?
...............
Repeated substandard care is certainly one reason a doctor
would be fired *for cause*.
Immoral or unethical behavior is another.
Poor medical judgement, inability to accept constructive
criticism, and harassment/abuse of staff are also reasons.
Being fired *for cause* is a big big deal.
Of course, the doctor who is fired does have legal recourse.
Dr. Chung, as you would expect, availed himself of that
option. He sought arbitration.
Andrew, care to tell us how the arbitration went? Seems that
Jesus turned His back on you that day, huh?
.................
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Did I win?
................
Well, you're doing a whole lot better than those who would
blindly take the medical advice of a doctor who gets fired
for cause, lies about his credentials, and files false
police reports. That's for sure.
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Carol T
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25 March 2004, 18:28 UTC #18

"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...
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>>>>>>> while ignoring the

vile and vindictive actions of your fellow "cardboard
christians" speaks all the volumes necessary. [snip]

You demonstrate the very worst in "christian"
behavior. <<<<<<<<<
Oh dear Bob, on which of God's scales do you measure
Christian behaviour? What do you want me to say? I love
and know God!
"If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is
a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has
seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this
commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must
love his brother also. " NKJ 1John 4:20
How does a man know God's measures of Christian behaviours
unless he knows God also?
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Dr. Andrew B. C
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25 March 2004, 20:08 UTC #19

Carol T said:
"Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>>>>>>>> while ignoring the

vile and vindictive actions of your fellow "cardboard
christians" speaks all the volumes necessary. [snip]

You demonstrate the very worst in "christian" behavior.
<<<<<<<<<
Oh dear Bob, on which of God's scales do you measure
Christian behaviour? What do you want me to say? I love
and know God!
"If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he
is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he
has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And
this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God
must love his brother also. " NKJ 1John 4:20
How does a man know God's measures of Christian behaviours
unless he knows God also?
X
Carol T
Well written, Carol :-)
May God continue to bless you and yours, today and everyday,
in Christ's name :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
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Smoke
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25 March 2004, 23:48 UTC #20

<snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and
"mental illness."
The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and
compelling reason why we should believe what is written in
the bible.
Anyone care to comment?
Smoke

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