MHA Survey: Please complete

In article said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ x] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ x ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ ] Most are probably bogus
[ x ] Some are probably bogus [ ] Only a minority are
probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ x ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy of
treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ x ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ x ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ x ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ x ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ x ] No

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ x ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: MHA Survey: Please complete
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 3/21/2004 5:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

Poor Rich, trying to build up his low self esteem.

And of course have all his buddies agree with him. He is
using MHA for a support group.

The answers you gave are excellent Anth, not what Rich was
looking for.

But his buddies will be right along.

Poor Rich.

Jan

Quoted message said:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:

Quoted message said:

[ ] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

Neither.

Quoted message said:

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[X] Yes [ ] No

Of course, but can you prove they are bogus without
scientific studies?

Quoted message said:

3) If yes to number two which of the following would
best describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ ] Most are probably bogus
[X ] Some are probably bogus [ ] Only a minority are
probably bogus

I've only looked at a handful.

Quoted message said:

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[X] Yes [ ] No

Again, of course, but what is quackery, is it a dirty word
to swear at people with or is it just a word to decribe
unproven treatments outside medicine?

Quoted message said:

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[X] Scientific studies

.Depends, if you have a disease which is in curable and
suddenly someone comes up with 10 patients which have got
well without scientific studies, then that's a pretty good
argument for something going on.

Quoted message said:

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they
had a positive response to some alternative medicine
which of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

Quoted message said:

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[X] No

Scepticism or cynicism?

There's hardcore cynics on both sides who say a treatment
doesn't work or a treatment does work in the face of
contrary evidence.

Quoted message said:

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

And also demonstrate good manners as they would face to
face with a human, because face to face if I was talked to
the way I am on here, I would end up losing my cool and
flattening people..

Quoted message said:

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

What the hell does this mean?

Quoted message said:

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or [ ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [
] They are equally bad

Depends on what provoked it.

Quoted message said:

Use this space to elaborate on any answer that you feel
needs elaboration.

Thanx for your participation.

nps Anth

Quoted message said:

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 3/21/2004 6:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

LOL! I never would have guessed.

Jan

Quoted message said:

David Wright :

Rich.@. said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ X ] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

About the only alternatives which could possibly work are
herbs, and that's pharmacy.

Quoted message said:

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy of
treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

This question really has no answer, but I have answered "No"
on the basis that people are people and people tell lies.

Quoted message said:

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ X ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

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Quoted message said:

Re: MHA Survey: Please complete

Quoted message said:

It is despicablle to use ill and dead parents to belittle

[ ] [ ]

If one nukes their posts they are ashamed of them, afraid
they might show a pattern

[ ] [ ]

Lying about one's name is OK

[ ] [ ]

Lying to this newsgroup, your mother or the pope is A OK

[ ] [ ]

Using filthy language is appropriate [ ] [ ]

Squawking about qualification when one has NO medical
qualifications is way cool

[ ] [ ]

Making up lies and claims that one got an e-mail when one
can't post it is lying [ ] [ ]

Do you judge alternative medicine from what organized
medicine tells you, have no actual experience [ ] [ ]

Any person who cliams to have used alternative with success
should be immediately trashed personally [ ] [ ]

Should one badger and badger over and over and over [ ] [ ]

Should so called skeptics diagnose and judge to personally
trash [ ] [ ]

Should one deceive by twisting words [ ] [ ]

Should one post lies on their websites [ ] [ ]

Should one have spam on their webite while squawk other
other doing same [ ] [ ]

Should one lie for their buddies, even though they know it
is a lie? [ ] [ ]

Should one overlook their buddies lies and chsnge the
subject to an alternative believer [ ] [ ]

Should a skeptic ask for personal health records?

[ ] [ ]

Step right up and answer truthfully, if you remember
what that is.

Thanx for you honest answers.

Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rich.@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: MHA Survey: Please complete

Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ X ] Skeptic - not exactly a debunker. I question
things alt or not. [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus or there is little
benefit. [ ] Some are probably bogus [ ] Only
a minority are probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

This would depend on what alt med they tried and how well I
knew them.

Quoted message said:

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No. It shows they're intelligent enough to
question things.

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ X ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy

This is bigotry and racist.

Quoted message said:

[ ] They are equally bad

Use this space to elaborate on any answer that you feel
needs elaboration.

Thanx for your participation.

Aloha,

Rich

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Quoted message said:

Rich.@. said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ X ] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

About the only alternatives which could possibly work are
herbs, and that's pharmacy.

Quoted message said:

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more
validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

This question really has no answer, but I have answered
"No" on the basis that people are people and people
tell lies.

Quoted message said:

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ X ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

Oddly enough, my responses mirror Peter's.

r

--
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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Poor Rich, trying to build up his low self esteem.

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In article said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ X] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

Actually, I prefer to consider myself a skeptic.

Quoted message said:

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

Most are bogus, but there is evidence to support a few. The
ones that have been shown to be efficacious are usually
herbs, which are then found to contain an active
pharmacologic ingredient; i.e., a drug.

Quoted message said:

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

Nope. I don't believe that people any particular religion
or race lie more than people of any other particular
religion or race.

Quoted message said:

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ X ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

A tough one, but #2 wins out because #1 could be the result
of a the behavior of the person being attacked (something
that person can control) rather than simply his race or
religion (something he can't control).

[Snip]

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: MHA Survey: Please complete From: "Anth"
[email hidden] Date: 3/21/2004 5:41 PM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

Poor Rich, trying to build up his low self esteem.

And of course have all his buddies agree with him. He is
using MHA for a support group.

The answers you gave are excellent Anth, not what Rich was
looking for.

But his buddies will be right along.

Poor Rich.

Notice how Jan is not answering the questions. Hmmmm.

Anth's answers were exactly what I was looking for. How one
answers the questions, or not answers them can be quite
revealing.

And Jan's response is also exactly what I expected. She used
her post simply to attack. No surprise there.

Aloha,

Rich
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[X] Scientific studies

.Depends, if you have a disease which is incurable and
suddenly someone comes up with 10 patients which have got
well without scientific studies, then that's a pretty good
argument for something going on.

Perhaps, but it is what you do with that information. A
medical scientist would say that such an observation
suggests that it's worth doing a study. The anecdotal
information may or may not be accurate enough or the
patients similar enough (for instance, one problem with many
altie anecdotes is that it is often not clear whether all
the patients actually had the disease being treated or
whether they had the same stage of disease). If the results
are truly as miraculous as the observation makes them sound,
it won't take a very large or sophisticated study to
validate them.

[Snip]

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do
|you inconvenience me with questions?"

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:41:59 -0000, "Anth" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

What the hell does this mean?

No fair answering a question with a question.

How about I make it easier.

Do you think Christians are more honest than Jews, Jews more
honest than Christians or do you think that each of these
groups lies about as much as the other??

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

From: <Rich.@.>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: MHA Survey: Please complete

Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as: [ ]
Skeptic, debunker or
[ Y ] Believer in efficacy of many/most alternative
medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ Y ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus
[ Y ] Only a minority are probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

Not that term. I believe the term was created with intention
to discredit.

Quoted message said:

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes [ ] Scientific studies

Try them out oneself 🙂

Quoted message said:

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them [ ] I tend to be skeptical
and need more validation

Totally situation/person dependent.

Quoted message said:

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

Was a time, I would have said a clear "No". Now, I believe
that sometimes, it does.

Quoted message said:

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ Y ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

Where would we be without them? 🙂

Quoted message said:

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

The question is offensive. Whether a person is more honest
or more deceptive has nothing to do with either ethnicity
or religion.

Quoted message said:

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ Y ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

From: "Jan" <[email hidden]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: MHA Survey: Please complete

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Re: MHA Survey: Please complete

Quoted message said:

It is despicablle to use ill and dead parents to
belittle

[ Y ][ ]

It sounds very low, but after a while it's just about as bad
to go on and on and on about it ...

Quoted message said:

If one nukes their posts they are ashamed of them, afraid
they might show a pattern

[ ] [No]

People may want to nuke posts for many different reasons,
none of them necessarily "bad"

Quoted message said:

Lying about one's name is OK

[Y ][ ]

On the 'Net? It's NOT a good idea for most people to have
their name on the 'Net these days

Quoted message said:

Lying to this newsgroup, your mother or the pope is A OK

[ ] [ ]

Context ...

Quoted message said:

Using filthy language is appropriate [ ] [ ]

In which language? Some are or were OTT. Others are just
natural expression

Quoted message said:

Squawking about qualification when one has NO medical
qualifications is way cool

[ ] [No, No, No, No. (Did I say "No"?) ]

Making up lies and claims that one got an e-mail when one
can't post it is lying [ ] [ ]

loaded question

Quoted message said:

Do you judge alternative medicine from what organized
medicine tells you, have no actual experience [ ] [Not me]

Quoted message said:

Any person who cliams to have used alternative with
success should be immediately trashed personally [ ] [
Trash the trasher, or better, ignore ]

Quoted message said:

Should one badger and badger over and over and over [ ] [
]

hmm (need to find a "badger" website)

Quoted message said:

Should so called skeptics diagnose and judge to personally
trash [ ] [ No ]

No one should diagnose.

Quoted message said:

Should one deceive by twisting words [ ] [ No. ]

Words are a gift. We shouldn't ...

Quoted message said:

Should one post lies on their websites [ ] [ Not unless
they called it "A liars site" ]

Quoted message said:

Should one have spam on their webite while squawk other
other doing same [ ] [ Nope ]

Quoted message said:

Should one lie for their buddies, even though they know it
is a lie? [ ] [No ]

Lie, No. But just to stay out of something, can understand.
People don't have to speak out on everything or comment on
everything, or even answer everything.

Quoted message said:

Should one overlook their buddies lies and chsnge the
subject to an alternative believer [ ] [ ]

see above.

Quoted message said:

Should a skeptic ask for personal health records?

[ ] [ Doesn't sound right ]

Step right up and answer truthfully, if you remember what
that is.

Thanx for you honest answers.

No worries. 🙂

--
"I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is
prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow
and multiply." R. Serling

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[X] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[X] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[X] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[X] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[X] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X] No

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[X] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

Use this space to elaborate on any answer that you feel
needs elaboration.

Thanx for your participation.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[X] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy of
treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ X ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ X ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

Use this space to elaborate on any answer that you feel
needs elaboration.

Without a free exchange of ideas, learning is damn near
impossible. Skepticism is the cornerstone of scientific
inquiry. We need that in order to be able to validate or
beliefs and hypothesis.

Quoted message said:

Thanx for your participation.

Aloha,

Rich

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I would appreciate honest answers to the following
questions:

1) Would you consider yourself best described as:
[ X ] Skeptic, debunker or [ ] Believer in efficacy of
many/most alternative medical modalities

2) Are there any alternative treatment modes that you
think are bogus??
[ X ] Yes [ ] No

3) IF yes to number two which of the following would best
describe your opinion about alt remedies

[ X ] Most are probably bogus [ ] Some are probably
bogus [ ] Only a minority are probably bogus

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ X ] Yes [ ] No

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes
[ X ] Scientific studies

6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they had
a positive response to some alternative medicine which
of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them
[ X ] I tend to be skeptical and need more
validation

7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ XX ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes
[ X ] No

10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing a**hole
or [ ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy
[ X ] They are equally bad

Use this space to elaborate on any answer that you feel
needs elaboration.

Thanx for your participation.

Aloha,

Rich

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On 22 Mar 2004 08:46:16 GMT, Toby Joe <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

4) Do you believe that there is such a thing as
alternative medicine quackery??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

Not that term. I believe the term was created with
intention to discredit.

Do you believe that there is such a thing as an alternative
medicine practitioner claiming efficacy for a treatment when
there really is no efficacy??

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5) Which of the following is best way to judge efficacy
of treatments?

[ ] Anecdotes [ ] Scientific studies

Try them out oneself 🙂

How would you decide what to try??

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6) If someone that you don't know tells you that they
had a positive response to some alternative medicine
which of the following best describes your reaction

[ ] I tend to believe them [ ] I tend to be skeptical
and need more validation

Totally situation/person dependent.

I was just asking for a "tendency". If half the time you
would believe them and half the time be skeptical then there
would be no tendency. Otherwise there would.

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7) If someone expresses skepticism of alternative
treatment does this mean they are attacking that
treatment??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

Was a time, I would have said a clear "No". Now, I believe
that sometimes, it does.

Thanx for your honesty.

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8) Should people be able to express skepticism of alt
treatment in this newsgroup or should they go
elsewhere??

[ Y ] Express skepticism [ ] Go elsewhere

Where would we be without them? 🙂

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9) Do Jews lie more than Christians??

[ ] Yes [ ] No

The question is offensive. Whether a person is more honest
or more deceptive has nothing to do with either ethnicity
or religion.

Good answer. I was hoping that some of my questions would
stimulate some thought. I worded this question poorly. It
should have read which of the following are true:

Jews lie more than Christians. Chrisitans lie more than
Jews. Both lie equally.

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10) Which is worse?? [ ] Calling someone a f***ing
a**hole or
[ Y ] Calling someone a [censored] or Jew Boy [ ] They are
equally bad

Thanx for taking the time to answer.

Aloha,

Rich

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(Jan) said:

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Re: MHA Survey: Please complete

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It is despicablle to use ill and dead parents to
belittle

[ ] [ ]

Yes. So stop doing it Jan.

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If one nukes their posts they are ashamed of them, afraid
they might show a pattern

[ ] [ ]

People nuke posts for a variety of reasons, not all
necessarily bad.

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Lying about one's name is OK

[ ] [ ]

On the internet, it is silly to post your real name. Some
people use that information to intrude on that person's real
life. In particular the very poster of these questions has
posted the name, address and phone number of a poster and
told others not to do business with this Jew Boy.

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Lying to this newsgroup, your mother or the pope is A OK

[ ] [ ]

No. Please stop lying Jan.

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Using filthy language is appropriate [ ] [ ]

Sometimes using filthy language is appropriate or at least
understandable. One must look at the context.

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Squawking about qualification when one has NO medical
qualifications is way cool

[ ] [ ]

It is appropriate to question qualifications regardless if
one does not have qualifications. Jan squawks about Peter
B's qualifications even though she has no medical
qualifications.

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Making up lies and claims that one got an e-mail when one
can't post it is lying [ ] [ ]

Lies are almost always wrong.

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Do you judge alternative medicine from what organized
medicine tells you, have no actual experience [ ] [ ]

I judge alternative medicine from evidence for its efficacy.

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Any person who cliams to have used alternative with success
should be immediately trashed personally [ ] [ ]

No they should not. However expressing skepticism about
someone having a success with alt. medicine is NOT
trashing them.

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Should one badger and badger over and over and over [ ] [ ]

No. Stop doing it Jan.

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Should so called skeptics diagnose and judge to personally
trash [ ] [ ]

No they should not.

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Should one deceive by twisting words [ ] [ ]

No. Please stop doing this Jan.

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Should one post lies on their websites [ ] [ ]

No.

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Should one have spam on their webite while squawk other
other doing same [ ] [ ]

Spam on website?? If it is only on their website is it
spam??

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Should one lie for their buddies, even though they know it
is a lie? [ ] [ ]

No.

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Should one overlook their buddies lies and chsnge the
subject to an alternative believer [ ] [ ]

No. Stop doing that Jan.

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Should a skeptic ask for personal health records?

[ ] [ ]

If it can support a health claim then yes. Of course the
other person can choose whether to allow this to happen.

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Step right up and answer truthfully, if you remember
what that is.

Thanx for you honest answers.

You are quite welcome.

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan

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