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Hi..

I'm a new subscriber... just read thru the posts that were
posted today..

I

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had 41 of them..

Having read them.. I'm now going to unsubscribe and am not
EVER coming back.. what a disappointment this turned out
to be...

Quoted message said:

Hi..

I'm a new subscriber... just read thru the posts that were
posted today.. I had 41 of them..

Having read them.. I'm now going to unsubscribe and am
not EVER coming back.. what a disappointment this turned
out to be...

Its best to use the google usenet search engine to search
the archives. MHA is being held hostage by a bunch of
flaming bigots. We are in the process of kindly but firmly
re-educating them.

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Subject: Re: NEW subscriber
From: [email hidden] (MHA Needs More Skeptics)
Date: 3/21/2004 12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Hi..

I'm a new subscriber... just read thru the posts that were
posted today.. I had 41 of them..

Having read them.. I'm now going to unsubscribe and am not
EVER coming back.. what a disappointment this turned out
to be...

Its best to use the google usenet search engine to search
the archives. MHA is being held hostage by a bunch of
flaming bigots

Some have nuked their posts, because they are ashamed.

Here's just a tiney example of Andrew Kingoff who is not
IIsa.

From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)

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Date: 7/29/2003 6:13 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]> Brights are
YOUR moral, ethical, and physical superiors. They are the
people who actually do something useful with their lives in
stark contrast to the steaming bags of feces which are rb,
GymBob, Debbee1023, Jan Drewcifer, and Stuart Hyderman.

Drew Perform Dental surgery on you, and DIE. (In that
order, please)

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From: [email hidden] (Ilsa Nein) Date: 12/25/2001 10:57
AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <20011225105715.13583.00001862@mb-
fq.aol.com>

John,

I hope that you develop many serious disabilities.

I hope that Jan Drew installs 2 dozen amalgams in
your molars.

I hope that you bathe with a plugged-in hair dryer.

I hope that OJ Simpson suspects you of being "the real
killer" of Nicole Brown & Ron Goldman.

I hope that Karma continues to run over your dogma.

Why, because you are a VILE, SPAMMING, PIECE OF [censored].

From: Ilsa Nein ([email hidden]) Subject: Re:
Deconstructing Atlas, Part I Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-09-12 11:45:04 PST

From: Ilsa Nein ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Un-
Deconstructing Atlas and the Rest Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 2001-09-21 18:45:53 PST

From: Ilsa Nein ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: Zapper
Hucksters Get Zapped Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2001-12-31 16:22:51 PST

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People who make, sell, or use Hulda's products or follow
her advice should go

straight to hell and burn for seven eternities.

From: Ilsa Nein ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: In My
Humble Opinion Only Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-01-17 09:11:22 PST

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That is such a self-serving piece of spam that I hope it
sticks in your

throat, forcing Todd Gastaldo to perform an emergency
epesiotomy on you.

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Leave MHA. Stop spamming. Rot in Hell.

From: Ilsa Nein ([email hidden]) Subject: Re: In My
Humble Opinion Only Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-01-18 12:06:51 PST

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F*** you and the horse you rode off on....

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Uh, dumbass,

Deconstructing Atlas Ass clown.

it.

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Cher,

iu.

Andrew Kingoff said:

(John Bain) said:

In this case, Andrew stated that the Florida
statutes defined

'disharmonies'.

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It is obvious from the statutes, which are on-line,
that they do not.

There is no need to bother anyone else. Wrong again,
John. I gave the number for the Acupuncture Board. Do
you think they won't know the scope of practice or that
disharmonies (acupuncture diagnoses) are valid
diagnoses in Florida?

That is not what you said, Andrew. You insisted that
'disharmonies' were defined in the Florida statutes.
They are not.

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Do you think that my school's academic dean wouldn't know
our licensing and accreditation?

Quite irrelevant, the legal definition of disharmonies is
the issue..

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This is sad, John. You hate sarcasm so badly that you are
willing to lie in order to call me a liar.

You are the one who said 'disharmonies' was defined in the
Florida statutes. Do you deny this? kaalga has posted and
reposted your exact words.

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You know that licensing board & my school's academic dean
are VALID sources on this topic. You are lying in order to
further Kaalga's lie and demonstrate that beautifully in
your Evasion of confirmation. Bad Boy, Johnny!

They have nothing to do with the Florida Statutes, which are
available on-line for anyone to read. Unfortunately you
eiither cannot understand them, or you are a liar.

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He hopes we will give up and go on to another topic and
let him get away with deliberately trying to deceive.

Yes, that is my motive for posting the phone# of the
licensing board. I'm hoping to obscure the topic by
insisting that you confirm my claims.

Exactly, the licensing board is not responsible for the
Florida Statutes. They license.

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I have contacted Habib who has agreed to call my school
on behalf of the NG. He will ask the academic dean the
pertinate questions and any others have may have and
will post the results. He will be back from vacation
around the 14th, so it will posted sometime after that.

What questions, Andrew. The only answer we wish from you is
the number of the Florida statute which defines
'disharmonies' or an apology for stating it did. That is the
issue and you will not be allowed to evade it.

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I understand your weakness in not being able to separate
the messenger from the facts. You represent this constantly
and not just on this topic.

Only messengers who deliberately lie to try and win points.

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You are blinded by your aversion to my prior sarcasm that
you simply must label me a liar.

No, your words make the case. You said 'disharmonies' was
defined in the Florida statutes. It is not. You lied to
make a point.

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You have gone so far as to speculate that my school
wouldn't have anyone who could handle the call without even
anecdotal evidence. Ditto for the State Board.

Please tell us why you think there is an expert in the
Florida Statutes at your school and which statute they would
refer us to. Ditto the licensing board.

All we need is the statute number for 'disharmonies' and
they can not supply that because it does not exist.

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So, if Habib told you he called my school, spoke with
the Dean, and confirmed what I said, would you accept
Habib's word?

Not without the statute number. We are only interested in
the number of the statute which defines 'disharmonies'.

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Even if you don't believe the information itself, would you
not accept his account of the incident as far as what he
asked & heard?

Irrelevant, Statute number is all we need. But we have
already examined the statutes and there is no reference to
'disharmonies' there.

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If you won't take my word nor that of the institutions
involved nor that of a neutral 3rd party, then you have
clearly labeled your position.

Statute number or apology. Our position is perfectly clear.
You stated several times that 'disharmonies' was defined in
the Florida statutes. Either give us the statute number or
aplologise for making the mistake.

Perfectly simple Andrew. Stop dodging the issue. Admit you
made a mistake. Or be branded a liar.
==============================
(this is what I received from my query)

Disharmonies" is not defined in 457 or 64B1 which is the
Acupuncture statute and rules. He must have found a
definition in a statute that I am unfamiliar with. If you
would like to file a complaint, you may contact our
complaint section at: 850-414-7209. "Disharmonies" is not
listed in the scope of practice of an acupuncturist.

That's barely a start.

Jan

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Mj Hess said:

Hi..

I'm a new subscriber... just read thru the posts that were
posted today.. I had 41 of them..

Having read them.. I'm now going to unsubscribe and am
not EVER coming back.. what a disappointment this turned
out to be...

I'm not too surprised. But on the other hand, I don't know
what motivates a person to post something like that, either.

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