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  1. -- Greetings,

    Here is the SECOND piece of the recent media coverage of the
    International Conference on Longevity held in Sidney,
    Australia this month:

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    Sydney Morning Herald, Australia - Mar 5, 2004

    Never say die

    March 6, 2004

    Yes, you can have eternal youth, but you will probably have
    to give up the cake, writes Deborah Smith.

    Worms that crawl around in the soil are usually associated
    with death, not life. But mutant earthworms created late
    last year could hold the key to how to delay decay and live
    for a very long time.

    By tinkering with genes, American researchers were able to
    extend the life span of the worms to six times the normal
    length, a record for any creature. "In human terms, these
    animals would correspond to healthy, active 500-year-olds,"
    the University of California team who made them estimated.

    Worms and people share a surprising amount of body chemistry
    in common. And these slimy Methuselahs are a good example of
    the promise of longevity research, and its early stage of
    development.

    Despite a flourishing anti-ageing industry, major scientific
    successes have so far been restricted to worms, fruit flies
    and rats. Only three ways of extending life span in animals
    have worked so far - breeding programs, semi-starvation and
    genetic modification, none of them great options for humans.

    This vacuum between desire for a fountain of youth and the
    reality makes for lively debate.

    Dr Michael Fossel, one of the leading experts on ageing
    attending the inaugural International Conference on
    Longevity in Sydney this weekend, believes that within a
    decade ways to "reverse" ageing, by resetting genes to the
    way they operated when a cell was young, will become
    available.

    We may even be able to live for a "couple of centuries"
    longer, until we're 300, predicts Fossel, of Michigan State
    University.

    An Australian ageing expert, Dr Robin Holliday, disagrees.
    "It's totally irresponsible nonsense," says Holliday,
    formerly of the CSIRO.

    Other experts at the conference are setting their sights on
    an industry that has burgeoned in the US, selling unproven
    pills and potions to slow ageing. Professor Thomas Perls, of
    Boston University, claims it "engenders a pernicious
    societal bias against older people".

    Scientific advances in understanding longevity are beginning
    to be made. But "any responsible pursuit of therapies has
    been completely overshadowed by a greedy, amoral and
    dangerous industry".

    He singles out the use of human growth hormone as an anti-
    ageing treatment as "the most blatant and organised instance
    of quackery today".

    In the next 20 years the number of people aged 60 or over
    will double to 1.2 billion and the figure will be more than
    2 billion by 2050.

    Given the seriousness of the issue, the longevity conference
    has backing from the World Health Organisation. But its
    unlikely organisers are a Byron Bay criminal lawyer, John
    Weller, and his son Noah, a naturopath.

    The Weller family have spent $1 million on the conference
    and the launch of the Sydney-based non-profit International
    Research Centre for Healthy Ageing and Longevity, which will
    run annual conferences for the next 10 years.

    John Weller says he was moved to action by the frustration
    of seeing his parents and grandparents in old age move in
    and out of hospitals and nursing homes. "Our philosophy is
    to bring together world experts in healthy ageing and
    longevity for the betterment of humankind," he says. This
    includes alternative approaches, and presentations by
    scientists are interspersed with sessions on yoga,
    complementary medicine, Eastern longevity strategies and
    even a performance on a Native American flute. Clown doctor
    Patch Adams and environmentalist Dr David Suzuki are also
    attending.

    "We wanted a conference with a warm-hearted environment,"
    says Weller, who adds that formal presentations of non-
    orthodox medicine are evidence-based.

    Holliday says the misconception that ageing is a mysterous
    process persists. But it is now well understood.

    In mammals at least 10 maintenance mechanisms have been
    identified that help repair damaged DNA or the immune
    system, or other problems. The better the maintenance
    system, the longer-lived the creature.

    Our system is relatively good. But it's not perfect.
    "Eventually maintenance becomes less capable of dealing
    with accumulation of the multiplicity of defects in organ
    systems which have not evolved to last more than a life
    span," he says.

    Holliday says doctors tend to treat diseases as different
    entities, but they are all part of the ageing process.
    Better understanding of the cellular mechanisms that cause
    diseases will help delay their onset. "That's the challenge
    of the 21st century," he says.

    People wouldn't live that much longer as a result, he says.
    Some experts put the gain at only 15 years. But health costs
    would be much reduced.

    In animals, breeders have been able to select for longevity
    genes to produce long-lived varieties of dogs, horses and
    cattle. "People say you should choose your parents wisely,"
    says Fossel. "But you can't, of course."

    A conference speaker, Dr Natalia Gavrilova, of the
    University of Chicago, has shown that if you want to live
    beyond 80 you had better hope you have other close long-
    lived relatives, because genes, rather than environment, are
    most influential in survival into the ninth decade.

    Having a mature dad is bad news for girls. "Daughters
    conceived to older fathers live shorter lives, while sons
    are not affected," she says.

    Dr Nir Barzilai in New York has also studied 300 Ashkenazim
    Jews who have lived to 100. The 70- and 80-year-old children
    of centenarians inherit significantly better health, he has
    found, with 50 per cent less diabetes and 60 per cent fewer
    heart attacks than normal.

    He has also recently identified a genetic mutation in a gene
    that controls levels of good cholesterol that triple the
    chance of getting from 70 to 100. The research could lead to
    new drugs to help everyone live longer, says Barzilai, of
    Albert Einstein College of Medicine.

    The extraordinarily long-lived worms in California were made
    by reducing the activity of a gene called daf-2, as well as
    removing the worms' reproductive tissues. In humans, similar
    genes are involved in the production of insulin and control
    of growth and metabolism. And studying this pathway, and
    possible drugs that could regulate it, is becoming a major
    area of ageing research.

    Fossel's preferred approach is to reset genes. Genes in an
    old cell are the same as those in a young cell, except that
    over time some have become more or less active. It's like an
    orchestra playing the wrong score, he says.

    Substances such as telomerase could be used to make the
    genes play the right young tune again, he says. It's been
    done to turn old skin cells into new ones in the lab. The
    approach could be tried now in a dozen or so people, for
    example, to repair ulcered skin, he says. "It just takes
    money, about $3-$4 million."

    The scepticism of people like Holliday doesn't worry him.

    Eating less also works, says George Roth, of the US National
    Institute of Health. "Calorie restriction is the only
    intervention conclusively shown to slow ageing and maintain
    health and vitality."

    People on the Japanese island of Okinawa, for example, who
    consume 40 per cent fewer calories than Americans, live an
    average four years longer. The life spans of mice have been
    extended by as much as 50 per cent, simply by restricting
    food intake.

    Roth says people would find it difficult to stick to a diet
    that reduces calories by the 30-40 per cent necessary.
    Holliday adds that animals on caloric restriction also shut
    down their reproduction

    very desirable."

    Roth, however, says there is now fierce competition to
    develop drugs and dietary supplements that mimic the effects
    of caloric restriction, without limiting food restriction.
    Hopefully, one day, it will be a case of "having one's cake
    and eating it too", he says.

    In the meantime, just give up the cake, if you want to live
    longer, says molecular biologist Professor Brian Morris, of
    the University of Sydney.

    This story is available at: smh.com.ausmh.com.au
    2004/03/05/1078464645918.html and at: longevity-science.orgsmh
    2004.pdf

  2. Leonid Gavrilov <[email hidden]> wrote: [...snip...]

    Quoted message said:

    Having a mature dad is bad news for girls. "Daughters
    conceived to older fathers live shorter lives, while sons
    are not affected," she says.

    My understanding of this observation and then the question:

    I suppose the explanation is that first of all, the number
    of cell divisions leading to a sperm is dependent on age,
    while the number of egg divisions is always 22 (although
    some recent reports are casting doubt). The number of
    divisions for a 65 years old male would be about 30 until he
    is 12 years old plus about 23 divisions for the each
    consequent year, (65 - 12)*23. That is 30 + 23*(65 - 12) =
    1249 divisions in total.

    Next, the fact that it is daughters who have shorter lives
    implies X-linked non-recessive inheritance (perhaps rather
    some mechanism with an additive component), where a paternal
    copy of X has a higher total number of mutations as a
    consequence of the higher number of cell divisions.

    My question is: do you need to assume quite large number of
    specifically X-linked potential mutation sites that could
    affect the life-span? Since the inheritance is X-linked,
    these have to be confined to some small number of specific
    genes. When Haldane studied this problem in general, he
    assumed the total probability of deleterious mutations to
    occur is appreciably higher in males. But that's across the
    whole genome, not just regarding few genes happened to be
    linked to X. Problem is, if the probability of at least one
    mutation in that specific set of genes is low for a single
    cell division (e.g. on the level of 1e-5), then the
    cumulative probability of one or more mutations is still
    quite low for either 22 (female) or 1249 male-specific cell
    divisions.

    DZ

  3. [email hidden] (Leonid Gavrilov) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Eating less also works, says George Roth, of the US
    National Institute of Health. "Calorie restriction is the
    only intervention conclusively shown to slow ageing and
    maintain health and vitality."

    People on the Japanese island of Okinawa, for example, who
    consume 40 per cent fewer calories than Americans, live an
    average four years longer. The life spans of mice have
    been extended by as much as 50 per cent, simply by
    restricting food intake.

    Roth says people would find it difficult to stick to a
    diet that reduces calories by the 30-40 per cent
    necessary. Holliday adds that animals on caloric
    restriction also shut down their reproduction

    Quoted message said:

    very desirable."

    An interesting question is whether it is the shutdown of the
    animals' reproductive systems that causes the extension of
    their lives. It is obviously essential to the preservation
    of a species that its members reproduce before dying. A
    species would therefore be more likely to endure if the
    processes that caused its members to deteriorate and die
    were biochemically inhibited prior to puberty. If caloric
    restriction caused the shutdown of an organism's
    reproductive systems, this might biochemically mimic a
    prepubertal state, thereby reactivating processes that
    helped to preserve the organism's health.

    Bob

  4. DZ <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My question is: do you need to assume quite large
    number of


    specifically X-linked potential mutation sites that could
    affect the life-span? Since the inheritance is X-linked,
    these have to be confined to some small number of specific
    genes. When Haldane studied this problem in general, he
    assumed the total probability of deleterious mutations to
    occur is appreciably higher in males. But that's across
    the whole genome, not just regarding few genes happened to
    be linked to X. Problem is, if the probability of at least
    one mutation in that specific set of genes is low for a
    single cell division (e.g. on the level of 1e-5), then the
    cumulative probability of one or more mutations is still
    quite low for either 22 (female) or 1249 male-specific
    cell divisions. DZ

    ***
    Thank you for your question and your interest!

    A short answer to this question is "No".

    More detailed explanation is provided at page 41 (the first
    top paragraph) of the following publication:

    Gavrilov, L.A., Gavrilova, N.S. Early-life factors
    modulating lifespan. pp.27-50.
    In: Rattan, S.I.S. (Ed.). Biology of Aging and its
    Modulation. Vol. 5: Modulating Aging and Longevity.
    Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht, The
    Netherlands, 2003

    Full text of this book chapter is available at: longevity-science.orgEarly Life Factors
    2003.pdf

    Hope it helps,

    Once again, thank you for your interest.

    Kind regards,

    -- Leonid Gavrilov Author of the book "The Biology of Life
    Span" longevity-science.orgindex.html

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