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Responding (') said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

The Windcheetah recumbent trike steers with a sort of joystick-
whipstaff thingie and I understand can be steered and braked
with one hand.

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Not Responding said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

Damn. I know you said 'bents wont work, but have you thought
about a windcheetah? Joystick control, but I'm not sure
about the braking configuration. And something of a design
icon, IMHO.

Tim

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Quoted message said:

I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength in
both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar without
using the other hand to lift it would be useful as well.

I'm sorry to hear about that. It sounds really bad. Any news
on the prognosis, or is it still "wait and see"? There are a
number of esoteric USS systems. Surely there must be one
that will work for you.
Mr. Larrington?

Quoted message said:

I spent a lot of effort on fighting this joke of a cycle
route. A million quid for 600m of pavement riding. I'd
supported it in the LTP where it was described as a bus &
cycle lane (ie a reallocation of roadspace on a dual
carriageway) but I nearly fell over when I saw the first
draft plans.

Nobody wins with these farcilities. Why on earth do
they do it?

--
Dave...

Tim Hall said:

Not Responding said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

Damn. I know you said 'bents wont work, but have you
thought about a windcheetah? Joystick control, but I'm not
sure about the braking configuration. And something of a
design icon, IMHO.

How will that help him signal right, virtually all bikes can
be steered one-handed, the problem is steering one-handed
with the weak arm as I understand it.

Simon

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"[Not Responding]" <[email hidden]> wrote
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Quoted message said:

Nobody wins with these farcilities. Why on earth do
they do it?

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err..misguided best intentions and a budget to create /
spend??

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Quoted message said:

Not Responding said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's
all gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either.
I'd completely forgotton that turning still needs
strength in both arms. I can't signal left and crash
if I try to signal right. Being able to get my hand on
the bar without using the other hand to lift it would
be useful as well.

Damn. I know you said 'bents wont work, but have you
thought about a windcheetah? Joystick control, but I'm not
sure about the braking configuration. And something of a
design icon, IMHO.

Tim

Don't want to add to the gloom, but my understanding of
the windcheater steering is it is not a joy stick, more a
twist stick that isfree to move i joy stick fashion. You
MAY be able to control the trike with one hand, but I
think you'd struggle.
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If at first you don't succeed... Skydiving is probably not
the sport for you.

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Tim Hall said:

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:48:53 +0000, "[Not Responding]"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

How will that help him signal right, virtually all bikes
can be steered one-handed, the problem is steering one-
handed with the weak arm as I understand it.

Yebbut something could probably be sorted out. While a
sticking out arm is no doubt useful, I would have thought
that on something like a Windcheetah it should be possible
to rig up indicators that would suffice to the purpose - at
least would be better than nothing, which a lot of cyclists
rely on anyway.

Rich

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

Don't want to add to the gloom, but my understanding of
the windcheater steering is it is not a joy stick, more a
twist stick that isfree to move i joy stick fashion. You
MAY be able to control the trike with one hand, but I
think you'd struggle.
--

Like others who seem to have so far responded, I've only
seen the Windcheetah's joystick system but haven't used it
so for all I know you could be right - _but_, it has to be
an engineering possibility to create a one handed steering
system. It's just a question of how much money you have to
spend on creating a vehicle to cater for the disability. An
off-the peg solution may not be available, but surely it
can be done.

Rich

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:48:53 +0000, "[Not Responding]"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms.

Your friendly bentmonger can prolly fix that for you. A USS
trike can be set up to brake from one hand, after all, and
you only need strength in one arm to turn, Don't let the
abstrads get you down!

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:48:59 +0000, Tim Hall
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Quoted message said:

have you thought about a windcheetah? Joystick control

Not really. The stick is forked, you steer by twisting it.
It's heavy at slow speeds. A standard USS trike with mods is
more likely to fit the bill.

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Quoted message said:

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

Bummer. Sorry to hear about your arm not getting better.

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Here's hoping your arm does impove - and quickly.

Cheers, helen s

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Quoted post said:

Originally posted by -Lsqnot Respond
A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's
all gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either.
I'd completely forgotton that turning still needs
strength in both arms. I can't signal left and crash
if I try to signal right. Being able to get my hand on
the bar without using the other hand to lift it would
be useful as well.

Apologies for having *nothing* to contribute about cycling.

Sorry to hear about you being injured, it sounds like a nasty one. With luck and careful physio you should be back on bikes soon though.

I liked the story about the super-expensive cycle lane that annoyed lots of motorists 😄 In terms of comparative costs, they now reckon that about 1 mile of motorway costs about £1m to lay, so the cycle path was par for the course!

Reply to paul

Quoted message said:

Don't want to add to the gloom, but my understanding of
the windcheater steering is it is not a joy stick, more a
twist stick that isfree to move i joy stick fashion. You
MAY be able to control the trike with one hand, but I
think you'd struggle.

Ar. It's steered by rotating the stick, which moves the
front wheels via a universal joint. The top of the stick has
a stub forking out - a bit like a walker's thumbstick - to
provide a little leverage; the stub also holds the second of
the bar-end gearlevers. Especially at low speeds (the speeds
I have most experience of :-)) it takes more force to turn
than can be easily exerted with only one hand. I'll bet that
a bespoke solution for one-armed steering could be found, or
has already been found.

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luck deserts you in some fashion don't think you've been
abandoned in your prime but rather that you're saving up
your ration.

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Quoted message said:

While a sticking out arm is no doubt useful, I would
have thought that on something like a Windcheetah it
should be possible to rig up indicators that would
suffice to the purpose

Trafficators on a Windcheetah! How cool would that be!

--
Mark, UK. Nobody can be lucky all the time; so when your
luck deserts you in some fashion don't think you've been
abandoned in your prime but rather that you're saving up
your ration.

In article said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

You could use the motorist "left turn" signal, but like
signalling right, that still needs you to be able to steer
with the left hand.

Steer and brake with right hand, coaster brake worked by
backpedaling to satisfy the two independent brakes
requirements, and indicator lights?

On 19 Mar 2004 14:55:15 +0000 (GMT), in
<[email hidden]>,

(Alan Braggins) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Not Responding said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

B. I still can't ride a bike and the docs say my arm's all
gone horribly wrong. Recumbents don't work either. I'd
completely forgotton that turning still needs strength
in both arms. I can't signal left and crash if I try to
signal right. Being able to get my hand on the bar
without using the other hand to lift it would be useful
as well.

You could use the motorist "left turn" signal, but like
signalling right, that still needs you to be able to steer
with the left hand.

Steer and brake with right hand, coaster brake worked by
backpedaling to satisfy the two independent brakes
requirements, and indicator lights?

BMW-style indicators would suit your needs.
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Not Responding said:

A. My newsfeed is still TU.

Have you tried news.individual.net?

You have to register on the website and they don't do
binaries, but it's free and better than any ISP newsfeed
I've used.

--
Carol "One evil at at time. That's the best I can do." -
Crichton, _Farscape_

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:27:15 +0000, Richard Bates
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Quoted message said:

BMW-style indicators would suit your needs.

LOL! Yes, telepathic indicators are the thing. Why didn't I
think of that?

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:05:09 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Furthermore, surely it can be charged to Mrs Smidsy (or her
insurance company).

True enough, but personal injury cases move at a glacial
pace because the lawyers are paid by the hour and the
insurance companies accrue interest by the day on money they
don't pay out. Where liability is not disputed an interim
settlement may be possible, but in this case apparently Mrs
Smidsy apparently claims that the OP reversed into her(!)

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