Fame at last! [warning: contains 5m*th]

you know? said:

Mr Safety's web forum contains a flame thread about me! I
feel honoured that these people have wasted their few
remaining neurons on me,

<url:http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph-
p?t=110>

Hmm, they don't like you do they. They even consider yu an
accessory to over 1000 deaths a year! And that language.

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Hmm, they don't like you do they. They even consider yu an
accessory to over 1000 deaths a year! And that language.

That's still 2500 less than them!

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Originally posted by Just Zis Guy
Mr Safety's web forum contains a flame thread about me! I
feel honoured that these people have wasted their few
remaining neurons on me,

<url:http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110>

For those who read it, BTW, there is a comment along the lines of nobody suggests speeding as a solution for tiredness. For those with short memories, there is of course no prizes for guessing who it was prompted the original comment - <url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jegdcvg-
udi7aacclm8vkmejuvh1govrars%404ax.com>

Fantastic stuff! Man I love it that a "holier-than-thou-cyclist" (as you were labelled) has managed to so comprehensively get up the noses of the "motorists-are-hard-done-by" crowd 😄

Few things give me more pleasure than sticking it to the pollution-pushers 😉

If you drive when you have to that's okay, if you drive because you enjoy it then you're an ar$ewipe.

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Quoted message said:

Mr Safety's web forum contains a flame thread about me! I
feel honoured that these people have wasted their few
remaining neurons on me,

<url:http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.ph-
p?t=110>

For those who read it, BTW, there is a comment along the
lines of nobody suggests speeding as a solution for
tiredness. For those with short memories, there is of
course no prizes for guessing who it was prompted the
original comment -

<url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jegdcvgudi7aacclm-
8vkmejuvh1govrars
%404ax.com>

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Guy, I'm jealous, I wanna be listed by the
speedophiles as well!

To be honest, their responses had me in stitches, are you
sure they have some neurons left? especially:

"Aha. I checked the link and found out he's a cycle-nut. Not
that I have a problem with cyclists per se but holier-than-
thou cyclists, such as this one seems to be, are probably
beyond reason. Maybe they get some sort of satisfaction in
their attempts to restrict other people's freedom by means
of misinformation and distortion. Still, among all that
froth and bile there should be plenty of opportunites to
shoot him down in flames."

restricting other people's freedom! or obeying the law as
it's called in my house.

Well done Guy, and congratulations.

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Hmm, they don't like you do they. They even consider yu an
accessory to over 1000 deaths a year! And that language.

Well they are a pile of d*ckheads :-)

Cheers, helen s

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What an inspiration the "Safe Speed Forum" is. I'm thinking
of setting up a "Safe Use of Mobile Phones While Driving
Forum" aimed, of course, at overturning that ridiculous law
forbidding motorists from mobile use without the requisite
handsfree kit. After all, driving can be such a monotonous
experience surely we should be allowed to chat away on our
phones whilst preferably speeding safely along. Surely this
would help stave off bouts of boredom-induced sleep?

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17/3/04 10:16 am:

Quoted message said:

Just Zis Guy said:

Mr Safety's web forum contains a flame thread about me! I
feel honoured that these people have wasted their few
remaining neurons on me, <url:http://www.safespeed.org.u-
k/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110> For those who read it, BTW,
there is a comment along the lines of nobody suggests
speeding as a solution for tiredness. For those with
short memories, there is of course no prizes for guessing
who it was prompted the original comment - <url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=jegdcvg-
udi7aacclm8vkmejuvh1govrars%404ax.com

spwwuk said:

After all, driving can be such a monotonous experience
surely we should be allowed to chat away on our phones
whilst preferably speeding safely along. Surely this would
help stave off bouts of boredom-induced sleep

Thats why all cars should have LCD screens on the dashboard
and DVD players so that whilst driving you won't get bored
as you could be watching something riveting like 2 fast 2
furious. I found this greatly improved my driving as I was
finding it difficult to turn pages in my book whilst eating
my toblerone and the interior lights are so dim its hard to
read at night.

Just zis Guy said:

Mr Safety's web forum contains a flame thread about me! I
feel honoured that these people have wasted their few
remaining neurons on me,

<url:http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110>

For those who read it, BTW, there is a comment along the
lines of nobody suggests speeding as a solution for
tiredness. For those with short memories, there is of
course no prizes for guessing who it was prompted the
original comment - <url:http://groups.google.com/groups?se-
lm=jegdcvgudi7aacclm8vkmejuvh1govrars%404ax.com>

They don't like the "speedophile" tag do they. Yet in
another thread I saw ... "mr_nice".... I have just got my
first speeding ticket 89mph on a single carriagway where the
speed limit is 60mph. Guilty as charged. "strangley".... Hi
Mr Nice. You weren't in Warwickshire were you? I got done
for the same; 89 in a 60. It went to court (no fixed penalty
offer was made), and I plead guilty by post. "Only" 4
points, but £400 fine"

davep

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"Aha. I checked the link and found out he's a cycle-nut.

The amazing thing to me is that the speedophiles seem to
think that their car-only perspective is more "balanced"
than that of those who cycle, walk, driver or use public
transport according to the journey.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hmm, they don't like you do they. They even consider yu
an accessory to over 1000 deaths a year! And that
language.

Quoted message said:

That's still 2500 less than them!

LOL! Now that I like - puts it nicely in perspective. How do
I sleep at night? Simple: I ride a bike 20-odd miles home,
leaving me pleasantly tired :-)

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....but speed cameras cause 30% ( ie TEN TIMES MORE ) of fatal accidents. How would you feel if one of your children were killed or seriously injured due to a speed camera. Would you change your tune then ?

Hope you wise up soon, and stop campaigning against these vile devices - they're killing 1000 people a year, to date that's more people than died in 911. Speed camera advocates have killed more people than Osama Bin Ladin!!!!

I know I'm a bit stupid but how exactly does a speed camera kill anyone?

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:01:27 GMT, Seamus <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I know I'm a bit stupid but how exactly does a speed
camera kill anyone?

They (PS and pals) argue that there was a steady downward
trend in deaths on the road. Then overnight the downward
trend levelled out. The night the trend changed speed
cameras were instantly installed all over the UK. Spped
cameras are thus responsible for those deaths that would
have been saved had they not appeared. This is an
oversimplification of their argument but not much of one.

Colin
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Originally posted by Seamus
I know I'm a bit stupid but how exactly does a speed camera kill anyone?

Simple really, the blinding *FLASH* from the camera dazzles the speeding motorist, who then cannot see clearly and plows into the cyclist who was unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Motorist: "If that bloody speed camera hadn't have taken a picture of me as I breezed through the 40mph zone at 71mph, I wouldn't have been blinded and crashed my car yer honour"

Judge: "You poor man, I too drive a car and have lots of sympathy with you. Have a mild fine of £400 and 6 points on your license and next time make sure you drive at night with some dark sun glasses on so you won't get dazzled. Bloody cyclists are all a menace anyway".

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Quoted message said:

They (PS and pals) argue that there was a steady downward
trend in deaths on the road. Then overnight the downward
trend levelled out. The night the trend changed speed
cameras were instantly installed all over the UK. Spped
cameras are thus responsible for those deaths that would
have been saved had they not appeared. This is an
oversimplification of their argument but not much of one.

Indeed. It also depends on attributing the last recession to
there not being speed cameras, and the recovery to the
existence thereof.

See also <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.ns-
f/Documents/One_In_Three>

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

....but speed cameras cause 30% ( ie TEN TIMES MORE )
of fatal accidents. How would you feel if one of your
children were killed or seriously injured due to a
speed camera. Would you change your tune then ? Hope
you wise up soon, and stop campaigning against these
vile devices
- they're killing 1000 people a year, to date that's
more people than died in 911. Speed camera advocates
have killed more people than Osama Bin Ladin!!!!

I know I'm a bit stupid but how exactly does a speed
camera kill anyone?

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:36:09 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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<url:http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110>

For those who read it,

I have not done so.

Have they started the death threats yet. It is only when the
death threats start that one knows one is having an impact.

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:07:39 -0000, "Jon Senior"
<jon@restless_REMOVE_lemon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Not sure about killing but I'm not convinced that they help
on motorways. I have seen a number of occasions where a
speeding driver has braked hard and suddenly to avoid being
caught on camera.

Just about the only cameras I have seen on motorways have
been in the M25 VSL (which reduced accidents by 18%
overnight when it was started) and in roadworks. In either
case the problem is not the camera, it's the twunt who is
more committed to driving fast and trying to evade the
consequences, than to road safety.

I have yet to see any evidence to indicate that the kind
of driver who brakes sharply for cameras is anything
other than a dangerous driver. Dangerous drivers cause
crashes - not news.

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And congratulations Guy, on being flamed for being a "cycle-
nut". That's like being flamed for being a nice person.

Heh! :-)

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On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:07:39 -0000 someone who may be "Jon Senior"
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I have seen a number of occasions where a speeding driver
has braked hard and suddenly to avoid being caught on
camera. Couple this with the number of drivers that drive
too close to the vehicle in front and we have a high speed
accident waiting to happen.

There is nothing accidental about such a crash. Instead of
pandering to the person who is driving too fast and too
closely (as you put it your later posting), it is better to
deal with them as well. Better camera technology might well
allow this.

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jon@restless_REMOVE_lemon.co.uk said:

Quoted message said:

I know I'm a bit stupid but how exactly does a speed
camera kill anyone?

Not sure about killing but I'm not convinced that they help
on motorways. I have seen a number of occasions where a
speeding driver has braked hard and suddenly to avoid being
caught on camera. Couple this with the number of drivers
that drive too close to the vehicle in front and we have a
high speed accident waiting to happen. I would advocate a
number of changes to

I disagree very strongly with the word "accident" here (as
well as many other uses of the word). An accident is
something unforseeable. Colliding with something that hasn't
been given a sufficient braking distance is NOT an accident.

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