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  1. I'm scratching my head over this one.

    My husband loves cornbread. I've made the same recipe the
    last couple of times. The first batch turned out just great
    (moist and really rose in the cast-iron skillet).
    Yesterday's batch was a real disappointment (hard and dry).

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was the
    same, the oven temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my
    little brains - the only differences were: 1) a new
    container of cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the
    buttermilk was obtained from two different stores. I have to
    assume the baking powder was OK since it worked fine the
    last time.

    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

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  2. limey said:

    I'm scratching my head over this one.

    My husband loves cornbread. I've made the same recipe
    the last couple of times. The first batch turned out
    just great (moist and really rose in the cast-iron
    skillet). Yesterday's batch was a real disappointment
    (hard and dry).

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the oven temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm
    racking my little brains - the only differences were: 1) a
    new container of cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and
    the buttermilk was obtained from two different stores. I
    have to assume the baking powder was OK since it worked
    fine the last time.

    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

    Did you forget the egg this time? Was one of bag of cornmeal
    "self rising" and the other wasn't?

    -Bob

  3. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm scratching my head over this one.

    My husband loves cornbread. I've made the same recipe the
    last couple of times. The first batch turned out just
    great (moist and really rose in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    cast-iron skillet). Yesterday's batch was a real
    disappointment (hard


    and

    Quoted message said:

    dry).

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the


    oven

    Quoted message said:

    temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my little brains
    - the only differences were: 1) a new container of
    cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the buttermilk
    was obtained from two different stores. I have to assume
    the baking powder was OK since it worked fine the last


    time.

    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

    I think there are several possibilities:

    1. The oven pre-heating time might possibly have been
    different.
    2. The amount of time between mixing the dry and wet
    ingredients and popping the pan in the oven may have
    been different.
    3. The age and dryness of the cornmeal in the 2 different
    boxes may have been different.
    4. The acidity (PH) of the buttermilk was different
    thereby effecting the rise.

    Dimitri

  4. "zxcvbob" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    limey wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the


    oven

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my little
    brains - the only differences were: 1) a new container
    of cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the
    buttermilk was obtained from two different stores. I
    have to assume the baking powder was OK since it worked
    fine the last


    time.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

    Did you forget the egg this time? Was one of bag of
    cornmeal "self rising" and the other wasn't?

    -Bob

    No, Bob. The recipe called for two eggs. The cornmeal wasn't
    self-rising. I used the same measuring technique. The second
    container of buttermilk seemed quite a bit thicker than the
    first batch; if that's the culprit I don't know how to
    control that.

    Darn, it's bugging me. I've made cornbread since Hector
    was a pup.

    Dora

  5. "Dennis" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    limey said:


    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the


    oven

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my little
    brains - the only differences were: 1) a new container
    of cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the
    buttermilk was obtained from two different stores. I
    have to assume the baking powder was OK since it worked
    fine the last


    time.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora


    Could be alot of things...a small error in measurement of
    ingredients, variation in cooking temperature or time,
    even a rainy day versus a dry one can affect your
    cornbread's quality.


    I'm sure my measurements were the same and the temperature
    was the same. I may have baked the second a little longer,
    but the batter didn't start to rise from the get-go, as it
    usually does. If my memory serves me, both days were about
    comparable weatherwise.

    Dora

  6. "Dimitri" wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:


    I think there are several possibilities:

    1. The oven pre-heating time might possibly have been
    different.
    2. The amount of time between mixing the dry and wet
    ingredients and popping the pan in the oven may have
    been different.
    3. The age and dryness of the cornmeal in the 2
    different boxes may


    have

    Quoted message said:

    been different.
    4. The acidity (PH) of the buttermilk was different
    thereby effecting


    the

    Quoted message said:

    rise.

    Dimitri

    1. The oven preheat time was the same. The beeper goes off
    when it reaches the desired heat and then batter goes
    immediately in the oven. If there was a variation, it
    might have been in the length of time I preheated the
    skillet. The second batch certainly sizzled OK, though,
    when I poured in the batter.

    2. I think the mixing of the wet/dry was about the same.
    When I bake something which has baking powder and baking
    soda in it, it goes in the oven posthaste.

    3. The successful batch was made with old cornmeal. The
    second was with freshly bought, but obviously I don't
    know how long it sat on the shelf.

    4. I'm inclined to think the culprit is the buttermilk. The
    sources were different. The first container was fresh
    from the store that day. The second was a few days old
    before I got around to it.

    Dimitri, I really appreciate your responding. I know it's
    such a little thing, but it's bugging me. I'd like to sort
    out what happened before I bake cornbread again. Kind of
    hurts the pride, you know?

    Dora

  7. limey said:


    I'm sure my measurements were the same and the temperature
    was the same. I may have baked the second a little longer,
    but the batter didn't start to rise from the get-go, as it
    usually does. If my memory serves me, both days were about
    comparable weatherwise.

    Were the ingredients for the first batch at room temperature
    when you started? Was the milk on the 2nd batch cold? That
    can sometimes affect how the buttermilk and baking powder
    combine and rise. Was the oven completely preheated for one
    batch but not the other?

    Dawn

  8. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Dimitri" wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:


    I think there are several possibilities:

    1. The oven pre-heating time might possibly have been
    different.
    2. The amount of time between mixing the dry and wet
    ingredients and popping the pan in the oven may
    have been different.
    3. The age and dryness of the cornmeal in the 2
    different boxes may


    have

    Quoted message said:

    been different.
    4. The acidity (PH) of the buttermilk was different
    thereby effecting


    the

    Quoted message said:

    rise.

    Dimitri

    1. The oven preheat time was the same. The beeper goes
    off when it


    reaches

    Quoted message said:

    the desired heat and then batter goes immediately in the
    oven. If there was a variation, it might have been in the
    length of time I preheated the skillet. The second batch
    certainly sizzled OK, though, when I poured in the batter.

    2. I think the mixing of the wet/dry was about the same.
    When I bake something which has baking powder and
    baking soda in it, it goes in the oven posthaste.

    3. The successful batch was made with old cornmeal. The
    second was


    with

    Quoted message said:

    freshly bought, but obviously I don't know how long it sat
    on the shelf.

    4. I'm inclined to think the culprit is the buttermilk.
    The sources were different. The first container was
    fresh from the store that day. The second was a few
    days old before I got around to it.

    Dimitri, I really appreciate your responding. I know it's
    such a little thing, but it's bugging me. I'd like to sort
    out what happened before I bake cornbread again. Kind of
    hurts the pride, you know?

    Dora

    I'm inclined to agree:

    Dimitri

    See Below:

    A leaven is anything that produces bubbles in dough or
    batter, causing baked goods to rise. Most breads rise
    because of yeast, which works by fermenting sugar, which in
    turn produces carbon dioxide. Baking soda and baking powder
    are used to leaven quick breads, cookies, and muffins.

    // U/ Baking soda is alkaline and reacts with acid to
    create carbon dioxide bubbles that become trapped within
    the batter. It's sometimes used in batters that contain
    acidic ingredients, like buttermilk or molasses. //U/ If
    there's not enough acid in the batter, the recipe will
    instead call for baking powder, which combines baking soda
    with one or more acidic salts. When the baking powder
    becomes wet or sufficiently hot, the soda reacts with the
    salts and releases bubbles. Air bubbles can also be trapped
    in beaten egg whites, a technique used to leaven angel food
    or sponge cakes.

  9. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    "zxcvbob" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    limey wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the


    oven

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my little
    brains - the only differences were: 1) a new container
    of cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the
    buttermilk was obtained from two different stores. I
    have to assume the baking powder was OK since it worked
    fine the last


    time.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

    Did you forget the egg this time? Was one of bag of
    cornmeal "self rising" and the other wasn't?

    -Bob

    No, Bob. The recipe called for two eggs. The cornmeal
    wasn't self-rising. I used the same measuring technique.
    The second container of buttermilk seemed quite a bit
    thicker than the first batch; if that's the culprit I
    don't know how to control that.

    Darn, it's bugging me. I've made cornbread since Hector
    was a pup.

    Dora

    Thickness of the buttermilk could easily have caused it.
    I've been making cornbread from scratch since I was a kid. I
    often "adjust" the thickness of the batter after using the
    measured amount because of variations in the buttermilk. If
    the cornmeal had been different, that could also have caused
    it, since different meals have different absorbtion
    characteristics. Bottom line, batter consistency is the most
    important issue. When you get the feel for the proper
    consistency, you should get consistent results every time.

    Wayne

  10. Dawn said:

    Were the ingredients for the first batch at room
    temperature when you started? Was the milk on the 2nd
    batch cold? That can sometimes affect how the buttermilk
    and baking powder combine and rise. Was the oven
    completely preheated for one batch but not the other?

    Dawn

    Yes, Dawn, the milk and eggs were cold, but for both
    batches - just out of the refrigerator. The oven preheated
    the same for both - it has a beeper that goes off when
    ready. Mystery.

    Dora

  11. "Dimitri" wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    4. I'm inclined to think the culprit is the buttermilk.
    The sources were different. The first container was
    fresh from the


    store

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that day. The second was a few days old before I got
    around to it.

    Dimitri, I really appreciate your responding. I know
    it's such a little thing, but it's bugging me. I'd like
    to sort out what happened before I bake cornbread again.
    Kind of hurts the pride, you know?

    Dora

    I'm inclined to agree:

    Dimitri

    See Below:

    A leaven is anything that produces bubbles in dough or
    batter, causing


    baked

    Quoted message said:

    goods to rise. Most breads rise because of yeast, which
    works by fermenting sugar, which in turn produces carbon
    dioxide. Baking soda and baking powder are used to leaven
    quick breads, cookies, and muffins.

    // U/ Baking soda is alkaline and reacts with acid to
    create carbon


    dioxide

    Quoted message said:

    bubbles that become trapped within the batter. It's
    sometimes used in batters that contain acidic ingredients,
    like buttermilk or molasses. //U/ If there's not enough
    acid in the batter, the recipe will instead call for
    baking powder, which combines baking soda with one or more
    acidic salts. When the baking powder becomes wet or
    sufficiently hot, the soda reacts


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the salts and releases bubbles. Air bubbles can also be
    trapped in


    beaten

    Quoted message said:

    egg whites, a technique used to leaven angel food or
    sponge cakes.


    Well, if the culprit is the buttermilk, then that's poetic
    justice. I bought the container for the first batch from a
    store at least 25 miles away. The second container came from
    the local Safeway. Wouldn't you know!

    Dora

  12. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:


    Dawn said:

    Were the ingredients for the first batch at room
    temperature when you started? Was the milk on the 2nd
    batch cold? That can sometimes affect how the buttermilk
    and baking powder combine and rise. Was the oven
    completely preheated for one batch but not the other?

    Dawn

    Yes, Dawn, the milk and eggs were cold, but for both
    batches - just out of the refrigerator. The oven preheated
    the same for both - it has a beeper that goes off when
    ready. Mystery.

    Dora

    Convection bake the second time, and not the First? If the
    cornbread was dry and hard... moisture was missing or it was
    baked too hot or too long. Perhaps a smaller grade of eggs
    were used or a mistake made when measuring ingredients (I've
    done that)?

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  13. Quoted message said:

    My husband loves cornbread. I've made the same recipe the
    last couple of times. The first batch turned out just
    great (moist and really rose in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    cast-iron skillet). Yesterday's batch was a real
    disappointment (hard


    and

    Quoted message said:

    dry).

    The mystery? The ingredients were the same, the pan was
    the same, the


    oven

    Quoted message said:

    temp was the same, etc., etc. I'm racking my little brains
    - the only differences were: 1) a new container of
    cornmeal by the same maker (Quaker); and the buttermilk
    was obtained from two different stores. I have to assume
    the baking powder was OK since it worked fine the last


    time.

    Quoted message said:


    Does anyone have a clue? I sure don't. Thanks.

    Dora

    baking powder starts losing its rising capacity toward the
    end of its self life. check the expiration date on your
    baking powder container.

    ac

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    A.C. said:

    baking powder starts losing its rising capacity toward the
    end of its self life. check the expiration date on your
    baking powder container.

    It also depends upon when and how often the container is
    opened. The more exposure to moisture (e.g., humidity), the
    faster the degradation.

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  15. "Wayne Boatwright"

    Quoted message said:


    Thickness of the buttermilk could easily have caused it.
    I've been making cornbread from scratch since I was a kid.
    I often "adjust" the thickness of the batter after using
    the measured amount because of variations in the
    buttermilk. If the cornmeal had been different, that could
    also have caused it, since different meals have different
    absorbtion characteristics. Bottom line, batter
    consistency is the most important issue. When you get the
    feel for the proper consistency, you should get consistent
    results every time.

    Wayne

    I've pretty much reached the same conclusion as you, Wayne.
    As I see it, the buttermilk didn't add enough liquid and
    I'll pay attention to that the next time. Thank you.

    Dora

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