reply to "hawki"

Maybe you could direct hawki & others to some published peer-reviewed scientific papers that Dr.
Cabot has written on the liver flushing subject. Since we've all been looking for such info & since
Dr. Cabot apparently has been studying "liver" for years, perhaps that would clear up our concerns.
Or does she only write popular books?

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden]
Date: 3/2/2004 2:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <26503-40450816-308@storefull-3136

sorry..but my "point" was that this doc....is NOT a liver specialist at all....she states that she
started practice as an ob/gyn...a great speciality..but it is a big jump to begin calling one's self
a "liver doc"....

one (at least in the US) needs the credentials to back up one's titles..she doesn't have them..

sorry

hawki.....

You lie, read your own references.

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki" From: [email hidden] Date: 3/2/2004 2:17 PM Pacific Standard
Time Message-id: <26503-40450816-308@storefull-3136

sorry..but my "point" was that this doc....is NOT a liver specialist at all....she states that she
started practice as an ob/gyn...a great speciality..but it is a big jump to begin calling one's
self a "liver

doc"....

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one (at least in the US) needs the credentials to back up one's

titles..she

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doesn't have them..

sorry

hawki.....

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Subject: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden] (toby jones)
Date: 3/2/2004 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: anth and the flush

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Subject: Re: anth and the flush From: [email hidden] (toby jones) Date: 3/2/2004
11:48 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Dr Sandra Cabot, MD, has studied liver and gall bladder cleanses for many years.

hmmmm...just did some reading on her site...

in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers to herself as a
"naturopath" is a bit suspect....

Let me see now:

There is an MD who's qualifications and lifetime experience are all verifiable.

Here is a word on the web, name of "hawki" ...

Where may we check your qualifications to give any such opinions, - or where may we even verify
your identity?

You may be a 13-yr-old smart-*ss little girl on someone else's computer, trying to pretend you're
an adult, and we will never be the wiser.

Again, the qualifications and experience of the MD you are so swiftly trying to discredit are there
for all to verify.

What is it that causes you to feel so insecure that you have to respond in that way? We the readers
will never know for sure.

[snip]

If you felt such an overwhelming need to speak out about "liver flushes" or whatever they are
called, how is it that you have not given one word of safety precaution to someone who says
they are about to undergo one, even though their background knowledge of the procedure appears
to be minimal?

I have to wonder why you post here.

To belittle and [censored].

Her insecurity shows and she has a need to build herself up by tearing others down.

That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

Cue for LIAR, Badger, and stalker Richard H Jacobson to appear, just watch *;*

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki"
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 3/2/2004 8:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Here is a word on the web, name of "hawki" ...

Where may we check your qualifications to give any such opinions, - or where may we even verify
your identity?

info's out there....public knowledge ya know..

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in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers to herself as a
"naturopath" is a bit suspect....

repeating myself..like Janny does...again...WHY would a licensed,,qualified and "board certified" MD
go on record as saying they were a "naturopath??"....when said group is ...uhhh...not as well
educated,,or respected as a "real doctor??"

curious...some say she is not licensed even in Au...strange again..

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Again, the qualifications and experience of the MD you are so swiftly trying to discredit are
there for all to verify.

see above..."naturopaths" are NOT real docs..in any country...certainly not in the states..

"my insecurity??"...maroon

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If you felt such an overwhelming need to speak out about "liver

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flushes" or whatever they are called, how is it that you have not given one word of safety
precautio

"safety precautions" regarding a totally useless and baseless procedure?? surely you can ask Hulda
Clark and such for that..

as far as real health care professionals are concerned,,the absurdity of "flushes" rank up there
with liver flukes

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To belittle and [censored].

nahh...Jannny...just to add to the hordes here who try and provide facts,,not fiction,,like you do..

[censored]?? where??

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That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

funny...that you read what I write tho...

sad that..

back to the sandbox hawki.....

Makes no difference if she has qualifications or the Nobel prize. She will still be ridiculed. So a
rant about her qualifications means essentially nothing, it's just another ad hominem attack on
another doc who doesn't prove what she preaches. Dr Day is a MD but she's considered a quack by
Stephen Barret (who doesn't hold a MD). Having a MD means nothing, your beliefs are what people
attack. Anth

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: anth and the flush

Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly states that he graduated
medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you
checked the yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

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Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly states that he graduated
medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you
checked the yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

I think he's confusing that with the (true) fact that Barrett no longer holds a license to
practice (because his state's laws require any licensed doctor to have paid-up malpractice
insurance, and he doesn't want to pay the large premiums when he no longer has a practice from
which to derive income).

As I recall he hasn't renewed his license, which is used in the alt circles to pass ad hominem
attacks on him, which is typically used on the other side to pass ad hominem attacks on alt docs..
Agenda is they key. Anth

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Anth, why do you say Dr. Barrett doesn't have an M.D.? His C.V. clearly states that he graduated
medical school in June of 1957, Columbia I believe. Do you personally know otherwise? Have you
checked the yearbook or something & he wasn't there?

Correction :- (Should have said licensed MD He holds a MD qualification) Anth

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Makes no difference if she has qualifications or the Nobel prize. She will still be ridiculed. So
a rant about her qualifications means essentially nothing, it's just another ad hominem attack on
another doc who doesn't prove what she preaches. Dr Day is a MD but she's considered a quack by
Stephen Barret (who doesn't hold a MD). Having a MD means nothing, your beliefs are what people

attack.

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Anth

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Hawki63" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: anth and the flush

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB. gmc-uk.orgpr fr overseas.htmOpen ↗
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK) Anth

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Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

Anth said:

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB. gmc-uk.orgpr fr overseas.htmOpen ↗
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK) Anth

The UK uses MB, ChB or some variant of that, although things might change under EU rules. (The ChB
is not a chiropractic thing, it comes from the Greek word for "surgery".)

I note that it says that the University of South Australia appears to be unique among Australian
universities in calling its Bachelor of Medicine degree "BM". Jan will now be able to accuse me of
lying about that too.

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Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

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(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki" From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/3/2004 8:32 AM
Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB. gmc-uk.orgpr fr overseas.htmOpen ↗
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK) Anth

Thanks, that shows Peter Bowditch is trying to deceive AGAIN.

Get ready, folks. Jan is going to show that ex-Dr Cabot really has an "MD" degree.

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The primary medical qualifications which were recognised for provisional and full registration are
set out below. Please note that you must have had your degree conferred before 31 October 2003 in
order to be able to apply for full or provisional registration.

Country Primary medical qualification

Australia

BM BS Flinders University of South Australia

Do I see the letters "MD" in the previous sentence? No, I don't? Do I see a reference to the
University of South Australia in the previous sentence? No, I don't. (Hint: Flinders University is
in South Australia but it is not the University of South Australia.)

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Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you can bet Peter would
remain silent.

Of course if Jan had a clue it would be lonely. Cue belittling accusation.

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This is *organized medicine in action*

Jan

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(MD is a recognised qualification in the UK, which you can obtain in the UK)

Skipping through various universities.. (selectively)

qub.ac.ukmdguidelines.pdfOpen ↗
calendar.soton.ac.ukpart3.htmlOpen ↗ le.ac.ukmdOpen ↗
bris.ac.ukmd.htmOpen ↗

wales.ac.ukA DoOpen ↗
ctor%20of%20Medicine%20and%20Master%20of%20Surgery%20Dec%2001.doc

A candidate for the degree of MD or MCh shall have qualified for the degrees of Bachelor of Medicine
and Bachelor of Surgery of the University at least three years prior to the submission of the thesis

(So it looks like MD is not equiv. to MD in the UK)

Here's a list of the qualifications (notice that MB and MD are very much different)

ehssb.n-i.nhs.ukc304f77541a5097f802566f1005f8073Open ↗

BM,BM Bachelor of Medicine MD Doctor of Medicine

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Just to get this somewhat straight... Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D.
designation?

So in answer to your question [email hidden] - no

(So being 'pissy' I still don't understand why Sandra Cabot put MD after her name when it's unclear
if she holds a MD?) Anth

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Anth said:

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB. gmc-uk.orgpr fr overseas.htmOpen ↗
(The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK) Anth

The UK uses MB, ChB or some variant of that, although things might change under EU rules. (The ChB
is not a chiropractic thing, it comes from the Greek word for "surgery".)

I note that it says that the University of South Australia appears to be unique among Australian
universities in calling its Bachelor of Medicine degree "BM". Jan will now be able to accuse me of
lying about that too.

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Just to get this somewhat straight...

Is the US of A the only country that has the M.D. designation?

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Subject: Re: reply to "hawki" From: [email hidden] (Jan) Date: 3/2/2004 8:43 PM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Here is a word on the web, name of "hawki" ...

Where may we check your qualifications to give any such opinions, - or where may we even verify
your identity?

info's out there....public knowledge ya know..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> in my h.o. any duly trained and licensed REAL doctor...who also refers

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> herself as a "naturopath" is a bit suspect....

repeating myself..like Janny does...again...WHY would a

licensed,,qualified and

Quoted message said:

"board certified" MD go on record as saying they were a "naturopath??"

Maybe because they have the belief that naturopathy really works!

....when

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said group is ...uhhh...not as well educated,,or respected as a "real

doctor??"

This is just your bias shining through.

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curious...some say she is not licensed even in Au...strange again..

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Again, the qualifications and experience of the MD you are so swiftly trying to discredit are
there for all to verify.

see above..."naturopaths" are NOT real docs..in any country...certainly

not in

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the states..

Why do you not consider them to be "real" Doctors?

Quoted message said:

"my insecurity??"...maroon

Quoted message said:

If you felt such an overwhelming need to speak out about "liver

Quoted message said:

flushes" or whatever they are called, how is it that you have not given one word of safety
precautio

"safety precautions" regarding a totally useless and baseless procedure?? surely you can ask Hulda
Clark and such for that..

Well other people do use it and if you know all so much about it you should be able to offer them
a few safety precautions at least! If you've never used it though and know nobody that did, how is
it that you can definitively declare that it's a "totally useless and baseless procedure??"
!???

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as far as real health care professionals are concerned,,the absurdity of "flushes" rank up there
with liver flukes

Such as those that pay you for posting here?

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To belittle and [censored].

nahh...Jannny...just to add to the hordes here who try and provide

facts,,not

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fiction,,like you do..

More like outright baldfaced lies.

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[censored]?? where??

Everywhere.

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That's why she is killfiled.

Jan

funny...that you read what I write tho...

sad that..

back to the sandbox hawki.....

Bowditch, Being an Australian and being that this woman is supposedly well known and famous in your
country, can you honestly say you've never heard of her before? The name Dr. Sandra Cabot under
which she publishes her books, is that her real name or is it a requirement that in Australia
Doctors must not use their real names when publishing books etc? You wouldn't know anything of this
though would you?

RB

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(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: reply to "hawki" From: "Anth" [email hidden] Date: 3/3/2004 8:32 AM
Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email hidden]>

No, in the UK MD is used also, Aussies have MB. gmc-gmc-Open ↗
uk.org/register/pr_fr_overseas.htm (The world doesn't revolve around USA/UK) Anth

Thanks, that shows Peter Bowditch is trying to deceive AGAIN.

Get ready, folks. Jan is going to show that ex-Dr Cabot really has an "MD" degree.

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The primary medical qualifications which were recognised for provisional

and

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full registration are set out below. Please note that you must have had

your

Quoted message said:

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degree conferred before 31 October 2003 in order to be able to apply for

full

Quoted message said:

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or provisional registration.

Country Primary medical qualification

Australia

BM BS Flinders University of South Australia

Do I see the letters "MD" in the previous sentence? No, I don't? Do I see a reference to the
University of South Australia in the previous sentence? No, I don't. (Hint: Flinders University is
in South Australia but it is not the University of South Australia.)

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Of course if she was within the bounds of organized medicine, you can

bet

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Quoted message said:

Peter would remain silent.

Of course if Jan had a clue it would be lonely. Cue belittling accusation.

Quoted message said:

This is *organized medicine in action*

Jan

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rb said:

Bowditch, Being an Australian and being that this woman is supposedly well known and famous in your
country, can you honestly say you've never heard of her before?

Where have I ever said that I have not heard of her? I have known about her for years. I stood about
a metre away from her at the last Mind, Body, Spirit festival in Sydney.

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The name Dr. Sandra Cabot under which she publishes her books, is that her real name or is it a
requirement that in Australia Doctors must not use their real names when publishing books etc?
You wouldn't know anything of this though would you?

Actually, I would know something about this. Not everyone is like you.

Ten seconds at my bookshelf turned up "Every Second Child" by Dr Archie Kalokerinos, "Killing the
Messenger" by Dr William McBride, "Vaccination: the facts, the fears, the future" by Professor
Gordon Ada and Dr David Isaacs (Dr Isaacs has the medical degrees MB, BChir and also has an MD which
he got in England - it is a research doctorate and therefore is not the same as a US "MD"😉 and
"Relief Without Drugs" by Dr Ainslie Mears. I used to have some books about child rearing but I
think my daughter has them now. I don't have a copy of "The Body at War" by Dr John Dwyer because it
is out of print, but I am only five minutes from the library at Westmead Hospital and there is a
copy there.

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rb said:

Bowditch, Being an Australian and being that this woman is supposedly well known

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

famous in your country, can you honestly say you've never heard of her before?

Where have I ever said that I have not heard of her? I have known about her for years. I stood
about a metre away from her at the last Mind, Body, Spirit festival in Sydney.

rubber brainhas a comprehension problem. It seems that s/h/it was not cured while away.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The name Dr. Sandra Cabot under which she publishes her books, is that

her

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

real name or is it a requirement that in Australia Doctors must not use their real names when
publishing books etc? You wouldn't know anything of this though would you?

Actually, I would know something about this. Not everyone is like you.

Ten seconds at my bookshelf turned up "Every Second Child" by Dr Archie Kalokerinos, "Killing the
Messenger" by Dr William McBride, "Vaccination: the facts, the fears, the future" by Professor
Gordon Ada and Dr David Isaacs (Dr Isaacs has the medical degrees MB, BChir and also has an MD
which he got in England - it is a research doctorate and therefore is not the same as a US "MD"😉
and "Relief Without Drugs" by Dr Ainslie Mears. I used to have some books about child rearing but
I think my daughter has them now. I don't have a copy of "The Body at War" by Dr John Dwyer
because it is out of print, but I am only five minutes from the library at Westmead Hospital and
there is a copy there.

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Quoted message said:

rb said:

Bowditch, Being an Australian and being that this woman is supposedly well known

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

famous in your country, can you honestly say you've never heard of her before?

Where have I ever said that I have not heard of her? I have known about her for years. I stood
about a metre away from her at the last Mind, Body, Spirit festival in Sydney.

Quoted message said:

The name Dr. Sandra Cabot under which she publishes her books, is that

her

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

real name or is it a requirement that in Australia Doctors must not use their real names when
publishing books etc? You wouldn't know anything of this though would you?

Actually, I would know something about this. Not everyone is like you.

Most people here not being Australian didn't know none of this! You could have told us of all
this earlier.

Quoted message said:

Ten seconds at my bookshelf turned up "Every Second Child" by Dr Archie Kalokerinos, "Killing the
Messenger" by Dr William McBride, "Vaccination: the facts, the fears, the future" by Professor
Gordon Ada and Dr David Isaacs (Dr Isaacs has the medical degrees MB, BChir and also has an MD
which he got in England - it is a research doctorate and therefore is not the same as a US "MD"😉
and "Relief Without Drugs" by Dr Ainslie Mears. I used to have some books about child rearing but
I think my daughter has them now. I don't have a copy of "The Body at War" by Dr John Dwyer
because it is out of print, but I am only five minutes from the library at Westmead Hospital and
there is a copy there.

All of which says what about Australian Doctors not being allowed to publish under their
real names!???

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